I'm hoping they get to the real meat of Guadalcanal. Where the Japs capture Marines off the line and torture them with samurai swords within earshot of the line to bait more Marines out of thier holes. So far the Japanese attacks have been pretty lame.
IIRC, the Japs that are there so far arent very good, just place holders. The unit sent in to retake the airfield is the Rikusentai (sp?) who are a pretty elite unit. I'm hoping HBO really can give the battle for Henderson field & Edson's ridge it's justice.
One thing I think they simply can't do on TV is fight in pitch black darkness, which is how most of the battles on Guadalcanal were fought. The Marines learned in the first few nights that gunfire was a last resort, because it gave your position away, and instead threw grenades by ear. Though watching a black TV listening to crawling through the jungle, occasional whispers and flashes of grenages and gunfire would make for a pretty boring TV show.
IIRC, the Japs that are there so far arent very good, just place holders. The unit sent in to retake the airfield is the Rikusentai (sp?) who are a pretty elite unit. I'm hoping HBO really can give the battle for Henderson field & Edson's ridge it's justice.
One thing I think they simply can't do on TV is fight in pitch black darkness, which is how most of the battles on Guadalcanal were fought. The Marines learned in the first few nights that gunfire was a last resort, because it gave your position away, and instead threw grenades by ear. Though watching a black TV listening to crawling through the jungle, occasional whispers and flashes of grenages and gunfire would make for a pretty boring TV show.
Aharami
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looks like the show is done with Guadalcanal, and they didnt show any of that. I was expecting a bit more from this show. While I still like it, it is leaving me a bit disappointed.
This. While the fight seens are fun and all, the turkey shoot gets sort of old. The next epi looks like it might dive into some character development finally. But overall i think this show will fail to come even remotely close to how good BoB was.
I feel the same way. I think it's just that I (we) were expecting something like BoB and while it's the same style it's not the same set up.
Gamingphreek
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- Mar 31, 2003
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As a heads up to everyone:
Fancast has the episodes up on Tuesdays. Additionally, if you have Comcast Cable with HBO, you can login to Fancast with your Comcast credentials and watch it in HD on Mondays.
That said, I can definitely see points on everyone's side. My thoughts:
1. I can understand why we haven't seen a bootcamp type scene yet, but I find myself asking "Wait which character is that?" too much. Perhaps as it goes deeper and I rewatch it 8 trillion times, I'll get a grasp
2. For those complaining about a Turkey Shoot - knock it off. What do you want them to go all "Hollywood" and dramatize everything. The Japanese were relentless - they valued death through honor. It is very different in respect to the way the Allies and the other Axis powers fought! Go whine and complain somewhere else if you can't respect that!
3. Did he REALLY just pick up an M2 by the barrel, run and melee with it, fire while holding it, fire without a stand, and then pick it back up!?! Woah!! Thats absolutely nuts - thats the type of stuff I expected to see in The Pacific. That right there was on the same level as Cpt. Spears running through Foye, linking up with 2nd Platoon, and running back.
4. How big were the shells that were hitting their position?! The way they were coming in, they sounded bigger than 105mm shells!!
5. I feel they did Guadalcanal justice; however, as others have said, I would have liked to have seen more about the unorthodox (and terrifying) ways the Japanese fought.
6. I think the Navy cook summed the episode up nicely. "You are on the front page of every newspaper in America. You guys are heroes..."
-Kevin
Edit: Oh and the title music is great. I think I saw that Hans Zimmer was the composer, so I shouldn't be surprised.
Fancast has the episodes up on Tuesdays. Additionally, if you have Comcast Cable with HBO, you can login to Fancast with your Comcast credentials and watch it in HD on Mondays.
That said, I can definitely see points on everyone's side. My thoughts:
1. I can understand why we haven't seen a bootcamp type scene yet, but I find myself asking "Wait which character is that?" too much. Perhaps as it goes deeper and I rewatch it 8 trillion times, I'll get a grasp
2. For those complaining about a Turkey Shoot - knock it off. What do you want them to go all "Hollywood" and dramatize everything. The Japanese were relentless - they valued death through honor. It is very different in respect to the way the Allies and the other Axis powers fought! Go whine and complain somewhere else if you can't respect that!
3. Did he REALLY just pick up an M2 by the barrel, run and melee with it, fire while holding it, fire without a stand, and then pick it back up!?! Woah!! Thats absolutely nuts - thats the type of stuff I expected to see in The Pacific. That right there was on the same level as Cpt. Spears running through Foye, linking up with 2nd Platoon, and running back.
4. How big were the shells that were hitting their position?! The way they were coming in, they sounded bigger than 105mm shells!!
5. I feel they did Guadalcanal justice; however, as others have said, I would have liked to have seen more about the unorthodox (and terrifying) ways the Japanese fought.
6. I think the Navy cook summed the episode up nicely. "You are on the front page of every newspaper in America. You guys are heroes..."
-Kevin
Edit: Oh and the title music is great. I think I saw that Hans Zimmer was the composer, so I shouldn't be surprised.
At first I was thinking there's no way, we haven't seen the key points of the Guadalcanal campaign yet. [Lost]They have to go back to the Island![/Lost]
But if you look at it as "Basilone's Unit is done with Guadalcanal" then ya maybe the show won't go back there.
But then I guess the On Demand teaser called "the airfield" was referring to a different airfield than Henderson field.
The only thing we got out of the show so far is that Basilone is badass enough to pick up a 500 degree gun, carry it, and shoot from it from the hip like Rambo.
After 2 episodes I'm starting to lose interest. There's only so much sitting around during the day and watching them shoot machine guns and set off explosions by night that I can watch.
KMFJD
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As a heads up to everyone:
Fancast has the episodes up on Tuesdays. Additionally, if you have Comcast Cable with HBO, you can login to Fancast with your Comcast credentials and watch it in HD on Mondays.
That said, I can definitely see points on everyone's side. My thoughts:
1. I can understand why we haven't seen a bootcamp type scene yet, but I find myself asking "Wait which character is that?" too much. Perhaps as it goes deeper and I rewatch it 8 trillion times, I'll get a grasp
2. For those complaining about a Turkey Shoot - knock it off. What do you want them to go all "Hollywood" and dramatize everything. The Japanese were relentless - they valued death through honor. It is very different in respect to the way the Allies and the other Axis powers fought! Go whine and complain somewhere else if you can't respect that!
3. Did he REALLY just pick up an M2 by the barrel, run and melee with it, fire while holding it, fire without a stand, and then pick it back up!?! Woah!! Thats absolutely nuts - thats the type of stuff I expected to see in The Pacific. That right there was on the same level as Cpt. Spears running through Foye, linking up with 2nd Platoon, and running back.
4. How big were the shells that were hitting their position?! The way they were coming in, they sounded bigger than 105mm shells!!
5. I feel they did Guadalcanal justice; however, as others have said, I would have liked to have seen more about the unorthodox (and terrifying) ways the Japanese fought.
6. I think the Navy cook summed the episode up nicely. "You are on the front page of every newspaper in America. You guys are heroes..."
-Kevin
Edit: Oh and the title music is great. I think I saw that Hans Zimmer was the composer, so I shouldn't be surprised.
To answer #4 , i believe they where being bombed by Japanese naval units including 2 battleships....
From Wiki
"To protect the approaching convoy from attack by CAF aircraft, Yamamoto sent two battleships from Truk to bombard Henderson Field. At 01:33 on October 14, the Japanese battleships Kongō and Haruna, escorted by one light cruiser and nine destroyers, reached Guadalcanal and opened fire on Henderson Field from a distance of 16,000 metres (17,500 yd). Over the next one hour and 23 minutes, the two battleships fired 973 14-inch (356 mm) shells into the Lunga perimeter, most of them falling in and around the 2,200 metres (2,400 yd) square area of the airfield. Many of the shells were fragmentation shells, specifically designed to destroy land targets. The bombardment heavily damaged both runways, burned almost all of the available aviation fuel, destroyed 48 of the CAF's 90 aircraft, and killed 41 men, including six CAF pilots. The battleship force immediately returned to Truk"
Fingolfin269
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I got more out of the episode than that. Not sure what you were looking for... unless you really really did want to hear the sounds of torture just out of ear shot from the line. Of course we both know that's not going to be in this series so there really is no point in wondering about it.
Everyone is being pretty critical over this show and I'm not quite sure why. It's not the European theater and because of that there is no way it will ever be as good as BoB from a drama stand point. It's pretty much impossible.
It's as I expected... falling short so far to BoB. The 2 episodes were rather too much of the same, they could have condensed them into 1 episode. Dialogue wasn't very captivating either to be honest. I'm starting to get to know some of the characters though so that's a good thing.
Man some of you guys sound so hard to please and why do we need to keep comparing it to band of brothers?
I like it so far, it's a good excuse to not do homework for 50 minutes or so.
I like it so far, it's a good excuse to not do homework for 50 minutes or so.
Regs
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- Aug 9, 2002
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I liked the good emotional drama in this episode. I don't like the Sgt. who got awarded the medal of honor though. He doesn't play a believable part and he always looks like he had a dumb smirk on his face. Up until this ep, I really didn't give a damn for any of the characters, but now I'm starting to relate to them a little more.
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SoulAssassin
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I'm not in it just for the blood and guts but this episode was really 'meh'. The only bullets fired were at cows. I'm sure there's going to be parts later where this is important...he's under fire and thinking he's not getting back to the chick or there's a tearful reunion at the end or whatever but an entire episode of their R&R?
BTW, she was pretty hot.
BTW, she was pretty hot.
Well he's a real person and he is a MoH winer so I'm not sure what you mean exactly, unless you don't like the style of the actor portraying him.
Regs
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I don't like his character or his role.I'm not sure it matches him correctly or perhaps it's a little more drawn out than needed. I know he doesn't think of himself of a hero, but christ, seeing his pouty face for 30 minutes is a little excessive.
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Yeah now that you mention that, I agree. I didn't really like that part much. I don't remember what he did in the first two episodes that made him get the MoH. But like someone else said, could be it's because it's difficult to tell the characters apart. I'm getting a little better now after the 3rd ep.
The only character I really recognize easily is Chase Edmunds, I mean Leckie. But it seemed like a lot of story just to throw it away at the end. And what did they say? Because he was disobedient and drunk one night, they are transferring him to intel?
Anyway overall I think the show is great.
Aharami
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last night's episode was a solid 'meh' for me. yea i get that it was good for some character development, and we got to see some of that "crazy gene" that runs in Bob Leckie's family, but other than that, what was the point of the episode? And why were the marines relaxing in Australia for so long when there was a crazy war going on? Was in because in real life, Guadalcanal was such an intense battle that the marines deserved some R&R? Well if thats the case, the show didnt portray the intensity of Guadalcanal very well. The BoB battles were way more intense than anything we've seen so far in this show. Or did the pacific theater guys just have it easier than the boys in europe during WWII?
BoB did an awesome job of developing character while in the theater of battle. It didnt need to devote an entire episode to them slacking off and getting drunk to develop character. But then again, I havent seen BoB in a while, so maybe my memory of the show is fonder than it actually is.
And WTF? The Pacific is supposed to be most expensive show ever produced. Where's the proof of that?
BoB did an awesome job of developing character while in the theater of battle. It didnt need to devote an entire episode to them slacking off and getting drunk to develop character. But then again, I havent seen BoB in a while, so maybe my memory of the show is fonder than it actually is.
And WTF? The Pacific is supposed to be most expensive show ever produced. Where's the proof of that?
It's a pity they couldn't get some of the naval action at Guadalcanal into the show. I know it wouldn't do anything to add to the story, but I bet the visuals would be very cool.
Ya theres a lot of good stories from Guadalcanal that was left out.
But they only have 7 episodes left and still have several epic battles to cover, Tarawa, Bouganville, Iwo Jima, Saipan, Okinawa
Though I doubt they will span all the time it takes to get to Okinawa. I get the feeling they will end it at Iwo, possible spoiler:
IIRC, a certain main character gets blown to bits there.
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