**OFFICIAL** Star Wars: The Old Republic Thread

[DaveSimmons]

That is gonna piss off a lot of people lol

I have 2 level 50s, but know many people that are just below 50 or have quite a few chars in their 30-40s and probably have more playtime than me yet never got 1 to 50 =p

Like me. I've been a paid subscriber since before launch but none of my 4 alts are at 50 yet.

Thanks for nothing, Bioware!

 

[Worthington]

Well, you knew almost everything that was coming upwards of a month ago at least. Not sure what you were expecting.

I just read the final patch notes and I think it's a massive upgrade for the game. Not just in terms of content but lots of bug fixes, rough edges getting cleaned up, and mechanical/technical robustness.

1. The UI customization is joke, imo. I waited this long for this?
2. Ranked Warzones being removed last minute? really?
3. The new daily area couldn't be more frustrating.
4. Zoeller's reponses to a lot of the changes were condescending and, frankly wrong.

Possible Pros:
1. About to try the new 4 flash point (although that won't occupy anyone for longer than a week).
2. The new OP. haven't seen it yet.

This game didn't need legacy. That's a smoke screen to keep people leveling alts. Leveling alts is what you do when you don't have anything else.

And the free time 7/30 days just point in case. They know they fucked up.


*edit, another pro: YAY A FREAKEN PET!

 

[KeithTalent]

1. The UI customization is joke, imo. I waited this long for this?
2. Ranked Warzones being removed last minute? really?
3. The new daily area couldn't be more frustrating.
4. Zoeller's reponses to a lot of the changes were condescending and, frankly wrong.

Possible Pros:
1. About to try the new 4 flash point (although that won't occupy anyone for longer than a week).
2. The new OP. haven't seen it yet.

This game didn't need legacy. That's a smoke screen to keep people leveling alts. Leveling alts is what you do when you don't have anything else.

And the free time 7/30 days just point in case. They know they fucked up.


*edit, another pro: YAY A FREAKEN PET!

Why you so grouchy?

KT

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Like me. I've been a paid subscriber since before launch but none of my 4 alts are at 50 yet.

Thanks for nothing, Bioware!

Im pissed too. I would of given TOR a chance with 1.2 since I was an original pre-order and launch subscriber but my toon is at 48. Not paying $15 for a test run of the new patch. At least WoW constantly gave me 7 free days every major patch to try it out.

 

[RiDE]

Im pissed too. I would of given TOR a chance with 1.2 since I was an original pre-order and launch subscriber but my toon is at 48. Not paying $15 for a test run of the new patch. At least WoW constantly gave me 7 free days every major patch to try it out.

I'm pretty sure former subs get 7 days too.

Just load the game and log back in to your account– no credit card required. Play at no charge*** beginning Friday, April 13, 2012, 12:01AM CDT, 5:01AM GMT through Thursday, April 19, 2012, 11:59PM CDT/ Friday, April 20, 2012, 4:59AM GMT.

http://www.swtor.com/legacypromotion

 

[AznAnarchy99]

I'm pretty sure former subs get 7 days too.



http://www.swtor.com/legacypromotion

I stand corrected although I didnt see that promoted anywhere else. Installing patch now.

 

[KidNiki1]

i spent a good chunk of time yesterday trying to figure out why vent hates my audio card and makes my pc bluescreen, so i didn't get to do much as far as dailies and the new 4 man. basically i got my new ui set up and then went and did some combat to make sure things looked ok.

So, the UI thing is pretty swell. I finally got to move a lot of stuff around, get some things off my screen and resize a lot of things. It's pretty cool, and I am sure I will tweak it a bit more as i go along but it's nice to know it is fairly easy to do so. the only things i hope to see changed in the future are: buffs/debuffs independent of the portrait. I would like to be able to move and resize the buff/debuff icons on their own. Second, the giant yellow notification messages in the middle of my screen i would like to be able to resize and move. overall tho, i think the new UI system is pretty sweet! my screen seems so much more open and less cluttered. 😀
also, it's pretty neat that you can load up someone else's ui. one of my friends asked me to send him my UI, and i sent the file to him and he loaded it right up! that's a pretty cool way to be able to copy someone's ui if you really like the way it looks.

hopefully tonight i will get to spend some time doing the new 4 man and doing some dailies. 😀

some of the legacy stuff i saw looked cool. the legacy gear vendors are exciting for alts. the dance ability with your companion is pretty funny. i dont really have any alts on the same server as my bounty hunter tho, so i didn't get to do much as far as the 'family tree' stuff. it looks interesting. i might have to make an alt to see how it all ties together.

anyway, i'm still enjoying the game, and the patch is a nice solid step in the right direction in my opinion. everything still isn't 'perfect', but i guess i didn't expect it to be either. there is always going to be room for improvement. at the end of the day, i'm still having a blast playing, and that's what matters. 😀

 

[darkewaffle]

1. The UI customization is joke, imo. I waited this long for this?
2. Ranked Warzones being removed last minute? really?
3. The new daily area couldn't be more frustrating.
4. Zoeller's reponses to a lot of the changes were condescending and, frankly wrong.

Possible Pros:
1. About to try the new 4 flash point (although that won't occupy anyone for longer than a week).
2. The new OP. haven't seen it yet.

This game didn't need legacy. That's a smoke screen to keep people leveling alts. Leveling alts is what you do when you don't have anything else.

And the free time 7/30 days just point in case. They know they fucked up.

How is it a joke? You can move, scale, enable/disable, and customize almost every single UI element in the game. It could stand to be a little more detailed still (mostly on the element-specific customizations, like raid frames especially imo) but going from 'no customization' to this system is a huge leap. Of the other MMOs I've played in recent memory, no game allows nearly this much customization natively and only WoW's mods are comparable. The only thing I wish they'd done was allow for elements to be 'snapped' so that when I'm trying to line things up they snap together rather than me having to eyeball it, but that's really minor.

Ranked warzones aren't ready, oh well. I don't think they will be until they finalize interserver queues or some sort of mechanism to allow queueing beyond one server, it would just be too easy to manipulate otherwise on a server by server basis, I'd rather see it done right than turn every low pop server into "Emberstormlol".

I haven't done any of the new dailies (or any of the old dailies for that matter) but one of my friends went there straight away and in it sounded like he liked the new area. I got the impression there were fewer dailies there but he liked how the area looked and that the quests weren't entirely mindless, he died a few times figuring out how some of them worked.

Well, that's just like, your opinion man. I don't pay attention to much anything other than patch notes but I don't really see how anything he could say would have any impact on how you feel about the actual content of the patch.

Legacy is a nice touch at least, yes it's not some 'killer app' but I don't think it's supposed to be. It's essentially an analogue to 'achievement points', and I really appreciate the fact that what you put into it and what you get out of it is account-wide, which I think is a good thing for those kinds of systems. Personally when I logged in one of the first things I did was drop about 3-4M credits into Legacy, which I think is another important underlying feature of it, a money sink which the game was kind of lacking before.

We plan on raiding Sunday night I think so I can't really comment on the new ops yet. And I've never done any of the 4mans so I don't know anything about the new FP either. But people will be doing dungeons as long as they're there, it's not really fair to say 'it'll only last a week', by that logic you may as well remove all the pre-50 dungeons since people will just out level them (in less than a week even). It's content to fill in some of the holes in the game, not expand it.

The new warzone is pretty good, I feel like it's a bit similar to Civil War but on the other hand it's about as different as Arathi Basin and Eye of the Storm are. It also has the benefit of going pretty quick and I really like the new 'segmented' captures. I do think the terrain is a little generic and the triangular design makes it kind of easy to get initially but that'll pass I'm sure.

Far as the benefits I've noticed; I think Legacy is genuinely useful without me feeling the need to 'grind' it out which I appreciate. The AH interface is much improved even if it does feel awkward at first after being so accustomed to the old organization. Augmented/set bonus orange gear I'm looking forward to, I always thought it sucked that I had this awesome looking armor set on Taris that I had to ditch eventually for my (imo) ugly BM sorc gear; the other benefit to this also being that crafting is now more valuable. My UI is generally the same but reorganized a bit and scaled down, I love having more space and control over so much of the elements, as well as the introduction of a native target-of-target frame finally. Little touches like new preferences available, especially the one that allows SWTOR to play audio in the background which I think is great since I won't miss my warzone queues while alt tabbed. Also character atlasing, though I'm not real clear on what it does just yet but I think it should prevent the 'flickering' between texture resolutions I would see sometimes previously.

After a few hours last night everyone in my guild was really quite happy with the patch. I'm really interested to see the new ops, word on the street is that it should be more difficult, though I still wouldn't expect much of a challenge out of 'story mode'.

 

[Worthington]

Well, that's just like, your opinion man.

Heh, very true. As some have posted they are pretty happy with it. I wasn't happy with the game pre-patch and was really hoping 1.2 would do *something* for me; respark my interest in the game. It didn't. In fact, it made me feel stupid for resubscribing against my better judgement just to see it's changes. I have no interest in leveling yet another alt.

 

[SunnyD]

They took the servers down about an hour ago for "Emergency maintenance". The dev note stated "There is NO ETA for their return at this time."

:biggrin:

 

[nageov3t]

in completely unrelated news, I've spent the last half hour searching for my WoW authenticator.

 

[darkewaffle]

They took the servers down about an hour ago for "Emergency maintenance". The dev note stated "There is NO ETA for their return at this time."

:biggrin:

Is this a second downtime today or just the one they announced for today last night?

Either way it's not really surprising, big patches = big problems. Though my friends and I only ran into little stuff last night.

 

[SunnyD]

Is this a second downtime today or just the one they announced for today last night?

Either way it's not really surprising, big patches = big problems. Though my friends and I only ran into little stuff last night.

Second. The patched in 1.2.0a in earlier this morning. This downtime is AFTER that one.

 

[KeithTalent]

I logged in last night to test out some of the new stuff, but I was immediately pulled into my first raid ever. 😀

Even though I got lost a few times and really had no idea what I was doing, it was a lot of fun. Ended up with some cool gloves and a belt (I think?).

I need to try and pay attention to chat because I totally missed when people were saying stuff sometimes. I became so focused on the little nameplates to see who needed healing to try and make sure they didn't die that I lost track of everything else. Need to stay more aware! I guess using some sort of voice chat service helps with that.

KT

 

[nageov3t]

fuck me, they're saying the servers are going to be down until 7 pm ET

and I need to wait for Blizzard to remove the authenticator from my account before I can play WoW again.

so, having done all my errands yesterday.... XBox or Rift FTP?

 

[zinfamous]

All the downtime this week is due to the 1.2 update, right? Or are server downtimes ~weekly occurrence?

I ask, because I'm approaching the end of 7-day trial and I'm still on the fence about it. (well, any purchase now would be bone-headed--as by the time GW2 is released, I will be purely focused on that. This is why I am always leery of sub games).

Anyhoo--I do enjoy the game. I like the story so far (Sith Assassin at level 15 on Doss Korsson something something.) And I was having a blast leveling up, then discovered that the free trial level cap is 15. Bummer, but it forced me to roll another character, which is nice. So I started a Jedi last night (I wanted to go ranged or something very different, but the class that is most appealing to me is Bounty Hunter, and I didn't want to roll another Empire as a 2nd). The opening bits for Jedi Knight, story-wise, are quite lame compared to Sith Assassin. We'll see.

My major gripes so far are simply the limitations of the free trial: I can't access any chat outside of team chat. Really, EA? wtf. How am I supposed to group with people and experience the MMO nature of a game? Granted, now knowing that the level cap is 15, it gives me even more incentive to ignore the heroic/flashpoint quests and focus on story.


That being said...anyone have some time tomorrow, interested in teaming up with a super noob and do a flashpoint or something, just to test it out? I have this assassin (which I will likely not play again, if and until I activate the account), and Jedi Knight on The Harbinger.

I would like to try a bounty hunter, which is currently unassigned to server. KidNik1 suggested I install XFire--which I guess would be useful in this situation, since I can't chat to anyone in-game, making this kind of request difficult. :\

 

[Worthington]

Xfire is extremely useful. Nice to see what your friends are playing, grab them into a raid or something if they are online but not ingame, etc etc.

 

[SunnyD]

We are expecting the servers to be available again at 6:00PM CDT (US: 4:00PM PDT, 7:00PM EDT. Europe: April 14th, 12:00AM BST, 1:00AM CEST. AU: 9:00AM AEST. NZ: 11:00AM NZST). We'll update you with information in this thread when we have it.

ROFL.

 

[Iron Wolf]

All the downtime this week is due to the 1.2 update, right? Or are server downtimes ~weekly occurrence?

I

Usually the servers go down for maintenance on Tuesdays, like the "other" game, for 4 to 8 hours, starting at midnight PT.

From reading the forums, they had the 1.2 patch, had some bugs, so released 1.2a, which borked several features of the 1.2 patch, and so now the servers are down again as they patch the patch of the patch. Oh well, shit happens.

Interestingly, I tried to launch WoW this morning, and first it wouldn't patch because of the 64-bit version I had installed. Fine, deleted those files. Then, the launcher still wouldn't work at first. Kept telling me I needed a patch and couldn't find the internet connection. Launcher the game directly from the exe, then exited out and the launcher worked fine. Go figure.

The point being, all MMOs are screwed up. I think they are just too complicated of an endeavor for mere humans to reliably handle.

 

[darkewaffle]

Personally I don't know how you guys play anything online with people without Vent or TS 😛

 

[Anomaly1964]

Let's be honest, 1.2 came out so people would grind ALTS, no more, no less...

 

[DaveSimmons]

There is no grinding needed for alts, at least not in the level 1-50 range.

Just doing the main quest + only some of the sidequests will give you all the XP you need, without doing any of the repeatable heroics or flashpoints. If you don't like the sidequests you can always do space missions and PVP but that's entirely your choice.

 

[KidNiki1]

Personally I don't know how you guys play anything online with people without Vent or TS 😛

i concur, i am constantly on teamspeak or vent or something where i can speak when i am gaming. i recommended xfire to Zinfamous more for being able to get in touch with someone when you are in a game and they are not, or they are playing something else. usually, i see if my friends are on xfire, message them to see if they are going to play whatever game and then we jump in game and on TS/Vent. although xfire does have a voice chat thing. kinda sucks, but it has one.

for just leveling, you can get away with typing in game, but when you are trying to coordinate with someone else, or a group, or raiding, i can't see just typing being effective.

plus, i hate trying to type while i am gaming...i suck at typing just when that is the only thing i am focused on. throwing gaming in there, and i read like a moron is speaking....typos and bad grammerz n stuff.

 

[darkewaffle]

There is no grinding needed for alts, at least not in the level 1-50 range.

Just doing the main quest + only some of the sidequests will give you all the XP you need, without doing any of the repeatable heroics or flashpoints. If you don't like the sidequests you can always do space missions and PVP but that's entirely your choice.

I think his point is that he thinks the only way to get Legacy experience is though alts and that Legacy is all 1.2 has to offer. And that you need a high Legacy level for all the Legacy unlocks. And that Legacy bonuses are important rather than convenient.

Which is all pretty much false 😛

 

[HumblePie]

There is no grinding needed for alts, at least not in the level 1-50 range.

Just doing the main quest + only some of the sidequests will give you all the XP you need, without doing any of the repeatable heroics or flashpoints. If you don't like the sidequests you can always do space missions and PVP but that's entirely your choice.

Not to mention almost all the legacy stuff doesn't actually require being level 50 by alts. Just reaching certain milestones such as completing chapter 1 or 2. Chapter 2 only requires you to be level 35 to get on Quesh. That's the highest really an alt needs to be to do everything for legacy.