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[ondma]

Actually, not a bad showing for the 5 year old architecture.

Yea, just looking at Tech Power Up review of 5800x. My 2 year old 8700k at stock is within 3% in the aggregate gaming benchmark, with considerable more overclocking potential. Not saying that overall it is as good as the 5800x, but for gaming at least, definitely still very competitive.

 

[tamz_msc]

Is a Noctua NH-U12A adequate for cooling a Ryzen 5800x? I purchased this cooler about 2 weeks ago to be installed in my next rig.

The 5800X runs pretty hot in all-core workloads due to 142W PPT being spread across 8 cores. I'm not sure if the NH-U12A is going to be enough.

Also of note are the last two processors[5600X and 5800X] – both processors are reporting 4450 MHz all-core turbo frequency, however the 5800X is doing it with 14.55 W per core, but the 5600X can do it with only 10.20 W per core. In this instance, this seems that the voltage of the 5800X is a lot higher than the other processors, and this is forcing higher thermals – we were measuring 90ºC at full load after 30 seconds (compared to 73ºC on the 5600X or 64ºC on the 5950X), which might be stunting the frequency here. The motherboard might be over-egging the voltage a little here, going way above what is actually required for the core.

 

[gorobei]

Is a Noctua NH-U12A adequate for cooling a Ryzen 5800x? I purchased this cooler about 2 weeks ago to be installed in my next rig.

if you are going air cooling, the u12a is about as good as it is going to get. at 7 heatpipes the transfer rate is up at the top with the other 7 pipe towers. it's only the extra thermal mass that makes the other triple fan double towers do better at benches starting from idle.

if you are that worried about it just wait for the icegiant thermosiphon cooler to come to market.

 

[Racan]

Yea, just looking at Tech Power Up review of 5800x. My 2 year old 8700k at stock is within 3% in the aggregate gaming benchmark, with considerable more overclocking potential. Not saying that overall it is as good as the 5800x, but for gaming at least, definitely still very competitive.

Yep, if you already have at least a 6 core/12T Skylake and all you are using your PC for is gaming then Zen 3 is not enough reason to upgrade imo. Better to wait and see what Rocket Lake can do.

 

[coercitiv]

Yep, if you already have at least a 6 core/12T Skylake and all you are using your PC for is gaming then Zen 3 is not enough reason to upgrade imo. Better to wait and see what Rocket Lake can do.

Actually having a 6c/12t Skylake makes RKL-S a no-go upgrade as well. It may be a nice distraction for an enthusiast, but as far as gaming experience goes, owners of 8700(K) or 10600(K) won't be CPU limited in gaming for the next year.

 

[Racan]

Actually having a 6c/12t Skylake makes RKL-S a no-go upgrade as well. It may be a nice distraction for an enthusiast, but as far as gaming experience goes, owners of 8700(K) or 10600(K) won't be CPU limited in gaming for the next year.

Wait for benchmarks first, we'll have to see, though come to think of it with Alder Lake soon after the same year RL is probably a waste of money.

 

[coercitiv]

Wait for benchmarks first, we'll have to see, though come to think of it with Alder Lake soon after the same year RL is probably a waste if money.

No need to wait for benchmarks, this is about CPU performance current games need... and 6c/12t Skylake is enough to feed the 3090, let alone more sensible GPU choices.

 

[Timorous]

Yea, just looking at Tech Power Up review of 5800x. My 2 year old 8700k at stock is within 3% in the aggregate gaming benchmark, with considerable more overclocking potential. Not saying that overall it is as good as the 5800x, but for gaming at least, definitely still very competitive.

That is because TPU are testing with GPU limited settings so the spread is reduced.

 

[Zucker2k]

That is because TPU are testing with GPU limited settings so the spread is reduced.

A 2080Ti won't bottleneck at 720p. Other prominent sites also did the gaming tests with a 2080Ti. The difference is TPU tests all platforms with similar memory speed and timings. That is more realistic.

 

[DiogoDX]

Yea, just looking at Tech Power Up review of 5800x. My 2 year old 8700k at stock is within 3% in the aggregate gaming benchmark, with considerable more overclocking potential. Not saying that overall it is as good as the 5800x, but for gaming at least, definitely still very competitive.

TPU bench is the outliner of the reviews so I think you should not base on that review since something really wrong happened with their tests.

 

[coercitiv]

As long as someone is happy using 8700K over 10700K or 10900K there no need to look at Zen 3 either.

A 2080Ti won't bottleneck at 720p. Other prominent sites also did the gaming tests with a 2080Ti. The difference is TPU tests all platforms with similar memory speed and timings. That is more realistic.

The 8700k is 10% slower than 5800X in the 720p aggregate gaming bench.

 

[TitusTroy]

after reading a ton of Zen 3 reviews today I'm still confused as to which is the better buy for gaming...everyone says the 5900X is excellent overall but I haven't seen any detailed write ups about the single CCX on the 5800X vs the 6+6 CCX on the 5900X and what if any factor that plays in the overall performance

TechPowerUp 5800X review:

Ryzen 7 5800X might be the better choice for some scenarios over the Ryzen 9 5900X because the 5800X crams all its eight cores into a single CCD, whereas the 5900X uses a 6+6 dual CCD design...Communication between CCDs has to pass through the IO die and runs at higher latency, which costs a little bit of performance...looking at our benchmarks, we see this effect in many single or low-threaded applications

The problem seems to be that the Windows Thread Scheduler sometimes moves the application onto another CCD, which means the process has to pack up everything on its current CCD, move to the other CCD, and spin up the workload again...This looks rather like a Microsoft issue than an AMD problem, though...

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/23.html

 

[Kedas]

Two other features took my attention:

Dynamic OC Switcher (Motherboard feature) meaning IF you want to overclock you do no longer have to sacrifice your higher turbo core speed, the best of both worlds. (if you can handle the extra heat)

And the other thing that is being worked on by AMD is an special undervolting feature, no idea what it will do but I assume it will make it much easier.

 

[uzzi38]

Is a Noctua NH-U12A adequate for cooling a Ryzen 5800x? I purchased this cooler about 2 weeks ago to be installed in my next rig.

I have a U12S (the black LTT version) for my 3800X in a case with pretty meh airflow and I did some testing several months ago. At the ~115W it pulls in R20 it consistently sits around 75 degrees from what I've seen.

Hope that works as a reference point. The5800X pulls 128W average in Blender according to GamersNexus, so provided you have a case with good airflow unlike mine you're probably looking at temps remaining under 80 degrees.

 

[Abwx]

A 2080Ti won't bottleneck at 720p. Other prominent sites also did the gaming tests with a 2080Ti. The difference is TPU tests all platforms with similar memory speed and timings. That is more realistic.

Computerbase does tests at 720p but with a 3080TI...

AMD Ryzen 5950X, 5900X, 5800X & 5600X im Test: Benchmarks in Games (720p, 1080p, 2160p)

AMD Ryzen 5000 im Test: Benchmarks in Games (720p, 1080p, 2160p) / AMD Ryzen vs. Intel Core in 720p

www.computerbase.de

 

[lobz]

Suspiciously good knowledge of Finnish in this forum

Mitä se sinulle kuuluu?

 

[lobz]

Yea, just looking at Tech Power Up review of 5800x. My 2 year old 8700k at stock is within 3% in the aggregate gaming benchmark, with considerable more overclocking potential. Not saying that overall it is as good as the 5800x, but for gaming at least, definitely still very competitive.

I'm really glad that after searching a while, you could find the website that fits your narrative, and not too coincidentally, goes against 95% of the actually good benchmarkers endorphine is good for you, an achievement every day makes us live longer!

 

[inf64]

I'm really glad that after searching a while, you could find the website that fits your narrative, and not too coincidentally, goes against 95% of the actually good benchmarkers endorphine is good for you, an achievement every day makes us live longer!

Computerbase 720p results are brutal, the lower the resolution goes (with RTX 3080+) the higher the difference in favor of Zen3 is. For example, at 720p, aggregate score for 10600K , which is ~5% faster than the 8700K, is 100% in the chart below, while 5600X is a massive 21% faster and 5800X 27% faster. 5900/5950 are 30+% faster, crazy stuff.

 

[nicalandia]

That is impressive to say the least

Ryzen 9 5900X Spotted Running On A Budget ASRock A320 Motherboard

Defying the impossible.

www.tomshardware.com

Ryzen 9 5900X Spotted Running On A Budget ASRock A320 Motherboard

 

[lobz]

Computerbase 720p results are brutal, the lower the resolution goes (with RTX 3080+) the higher the difference in favor of Zen3 is. For example, at 720p, aggregate score for 10600K , which is ~5% faster than the 8700K, is 100% in the chart below, while 5600X is a massive 21% faster and 5800X 27% faster. 5900/5950 are 30+% faster, crazy stuff.
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Juat6 keep in mind, I think that 720p and lower are only good for empirical discussions. That doesn't mean that the stock 8700K is 3% behind Zen 3. That's utter BS.
Yeah the trend is clear: real CPU limited scenarios show Zen 3 in a preeeeetty good light 😁

 

[Tup3x]

Computerbase 720p results are brutal, the lower the resolution goes (with RTX 3080+) the higher the difference in favor of Zen3 is. For example, at 720p, aggregate score for 10600K , which is ~5% faster than the 8700K, is 100% in the chart below, while 5600X is a massive 21% faster and 5800X 27% faster. 5900/5950 are 30+% faster, crazy stuff.
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Quite happy with my decision to buy a 5900X. Out of the too three Ryzens, it definitely looks like it offers the best perf/value ratio if you plan to keep using your build for a long time.

 

[inf64]

Juat6 keep in mind, I think that 720p and lower are only good for empirical discussions. That doesn't mean that the stock 8700K is 3% behind Zen 3. That's utter BS.
Yeah the trend is clear: real CPU limited scenarios show Zen 3 in a preeeeetty good light 😁

We all know that but certain people were pushing very hard the super low res. testing as it *should* show which uarchitecture has more potential and brings less CPU bottleneck. Now the tables are turned and Zen3 pummels intel in the ground in 720p and lower - just check AT review and 384p numbers, it's sad

 

[lobz]

Quite happy with my decision to buy a 5900X. Out of the too three Ryzens, it definitely looks like it offers the best perf/value ratio if you plan to keep using your build for a long time.

It's a 2600k in many senses. You can easily stretch this out for 5+ years before it would hinder you in any way, and even then the platform I/O limitations will be the only things that'll start to nag you. Congrats

 

[lobz]

Computerbase does tests at 720p but with a 3080TI...

AMD Ryzen 5950X, 5900X, 5800X & 5600X im Test: Benchmarks in Games (720p, 1080p, 2160p)

AMD Ryzen 5000 im Test: Benchmarks in Games (720p, 1080p, 2160p) / AMD Ryzen vs. Intel Core in 720p

www.computerbase.de

How did they get a 3080ti?

Sorry I had to

 

[Kenmitch]

That is impressive to say the least

Ryzen 9 5900X Spotted Running On A Budget ASRock A320 Motherboard

Defying the impossible.

www.tomshardware.com

Ryzen 9 5900X Spotted Running On A Budget ASRock A320 Motherboard

Asus and Gigabyte have beta bios support for Zen 3 on B450's already.

AMD Ryzen 5000 Zen 3 Desktop CPUs Reportedly Running on A320 & X370 Motherboards, B450 Support Already Added By ASUS & Gigabyte

AMD's Ryzen 5000 Zen 3 Desktop CPUs have been spotted running on A320 & X370 motherboards while B450 BETA BIOS support is already added.

wccftech.com

It's nice and all, but it's going to have a negative effect on availability.