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Originally posted by: NFS4
LOL!! Talk about hypcrosy!!!LOL, you make me laugh
One glorified personal opinion from Michael Moore and his views towards America
vs
One glorified personal opinion from some dude about Michael Moore's views towards America
One isn't any more relevant or factual than the other. But what really gets me is that you are more than willing to go see a film bashing Michael Moore without first having seen what all the bashing is directed towards (i.e., Michael and Me, Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 911).
You know how stupid that sounds? That's like saying, I'm gonna go watch a documentary on discrediting "The Passion of the Christ" without actually seeing the film first.
NFS, don't know if I posted it here or not but I have seen all of his other films, Bowling, Roger and Me, and The Big One...I was actually somewhat of a fan of his after seeing Roger and Me, but Bowling turned me against the man and fast. I would love to see a flick bashing moore for his blatant hypocracy.
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Oh yes, don't go see the movie in fear of lining Moore's coffers.
But blindly support the war, lining the chickenhawks wallets instead.
In a settlement reached last week, the Weinsteins repaid their parent company for all costs of the film to date, estimated at around $6 million. Any profits from the film's distribution that go to Miramax or Disney will be donated to charity.
But blindly support the war, lining the chickenhawks wallets instead.
In a settlement reached last week, the Weinsteins repaid their parent company for all costs of the film to date, estimated at around $6 million. Any profits from the film's distribution that go to Miramax or Disney will be donated to charity.
Yeah, there are people that do seem to believe just that. Can you answer me this. Why is Moore's op/ed piece being labeled as a "documentary".
Some interesting insights into Moore's views of Americans.
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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: NFS4
LOL!! Talk about hypcrosy!!!
One glorified personal opinion from Michael Moore and his views towards America
vs
One glorified personal opinion from some dude about Michael Moore's views towards America
One isn't any more relevant or factual than the other. But what really gets me is that you are more than willing to go see a film bashing Michael Moore without first having seen what all the bashing is directed towards (i.e., Michael and Me, Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 911).
You know how stupid that sounds? That's like saying, I'm gonna go watch a documentary on discrediting "The Passion of the Christ" without actually seeing the film first.
NFS, don't know if I posted it here or not but I have seen all of his other films, Bowling, Roger and Me, and The Big One...I was actually somewhat of a fan of his after seeing Roger and Me, but Bowling turned me against the man and fast. I would love to see a flick bashing moore for his blatant hypocracy.
You'll have your chance in September, along with 10 other people across the U.S.
It will probably shatter the all time record for box office reciepts...for a movie about Moore.
Why is the O'Reilly Factor labelled a "no-spin zone"? Why is Fox news labelled "fair and balanced"?
IT IS NOT A DOCUMENTARY.
"I would like to see Mr. Bush removed from the White House," the filmmaker told the host of ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."
"It's an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration," Moore said Sunday. "I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism."
"I would like to see Mr. Bush removed from the White House," the filmmaker told the host of ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."
"It's an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration," Moore said Sunday. "I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism."
people are talking about moore's profits and stuff. well, I found many sources on the web with this quote:
"A significant portion of the proceeds of "Fahrenheit 9/11" will go toward convincing every thinking American to turn off the Fox News Channel. This will be my contribution to making America a better place. I hope they enjoy this year, their last year with actual viewers." ? Michael Moore
also it is widely reported that Moore and Weinstein claimed to donate all profits from Fahrenheit 9/11 to charity. Moore has done this before with profits from his films and books.
"A significant portion of the proceeds of "Fahrenheit 9/11" will go toward convincing every thinking American to turn off the Fox News Channel. This will be my contribution to making America a better place. I hope they enjoy this year, their last year with actual viewers." ? Michael Moore
also it is widely reported that Moore and Weinstein claimed to donate all profits from Fahrenheit 9/11 to charity. Moore has done this before with profits from his films and books.
Actually, I have wanted to see the movie ever since I heard of its existence. I had no idea it was selling so well until a day or two after I saw the movie. Why am I a sheep because I did something that I have wanted to do for a long time, but before I knew anyone else wanted to do it?
Of course he designed his movie for profit. No one is denying this. That doesn't mean he didn't provide legitimate and useful information in his film. I don't think it's a piece of trash, and you haven't seen the movie, so you don't really know. I enjoyed the movie. Therefore, my money spent was worth it to me.
Stop commenting on a movie as though you have seen it. If you haven't seen it, then how do you know it's a piece of trash? You can't possibly. You are making assumptions based on the fact that you dislike Michael Moore. The vast majority of reviews for the movie are positive, so a lot of people that have actually seen the movie seem to like it.
I saw the movie tonight. It was typical Michale Moore. Heavy editing, fallacious reasoning, and lots of pictures and music to make all the brain dead feel some emotion. He's playing to emotions and not giving out factual information. He makes a lot of correlations, but doesn't prove causation at all. To be honest -- I strongly considered voting for Kerry(in fact I was pretty positive that I wouldn't be voting for Bush). After seeing this film I cannot believe that the Democratic Party has stood behind Moore, nor can I believe it has been lauded by any critics. Even that moron Rush Limbaugh never engaged in such blatant misinformation and tried to win people over solely by sound-bites and colors. This movie was never made to appeal to the free thinker, or those that have followed the War and 9/11 since the start. It is made for the hardcore partisans, and the people who need someone to tell them how to vote. I can promise you that any free thinker will be more DISGUSTED than anything with the film. It was very similar in style to Bowling For Columbine and Roger and Me.
As for those saying the box-office numbers are a stunning indictment of Bush -- remember that most people seeing the movie aren't moderates.
oh I'm sorry, I thought that since you just made stuff up in your post about what political bent "most people seeing the movie" are, I would do the same.
Ive seen the movie. I am a republican and strong supporter of bush and was pretty offended by this film. Micheal Moore is a great filmmaker, but i think this is crossing the line.
1. Correlation of business deals with the Bin Laden family, or the House of Saud have no bearing on Osama Bin Laden. They've been estranged for a very long time. Some minor relative going to a wedding in Afghanistan is hardly showing any type of shady dealings.
2. One Congressman he interviewed already said his interview was edited so that it appeared differently than what occurred. If you paid attention throughout the film you'd see the changes in a segment as editing took place. Basically it would be the virtual usage of ellipses. He'd ... and then ... of what someone actually said/did. It is a common trait used when you want to misrepresent something.
3. He distorted what troops were talking/cheering about, what Bush was talking about, what certain people were talking about. He did the same with Charleton Heston and others in Bowling for Columbine. He will start a segment about X, but then he'll through in an interview from a MUCH different time period to make it appear as if person X was talking about Subject X. Typically this is not the case, and if you are familiar with some of the footage he used, or paid attention to the background in some of the pieces you'd understand that.
4. Moore has someone claim that the Saudis had a 7% stake in our economy. Again, not true. Total personal wealth is estimated in the 40-60 trillion range. The number used by the man Moore was interviewing was 860 billion. Moore conveniently rounded that to 1 trillion, so I'll be "fair" and use that number. Do you know what that means? Saudis account for about 2% of total wealth in American, and the was no PROOF that the numbers expressed(the one trillion) was even accurate. It wasn't even an estimate, but a total guesstimate. Remember this was INVESTMENTS and MONEY in American companies, banks, etc. It isn't talking about GDP, but person wealth. Once again a complete distortion/lie.
5. The National Guard Video was edited to make it appear as if no one is ever told they might be called up. True that the National Guard has rarely been used for Overseas deployment, but our ranks were very thin after a period of military reduction from 92-00. Anyone who VOLUNTEERS for something should know the risks of it. Moore also makes it appear as if the only opportunity for someone in Flint is to join the military. This is simply not true. There are a variety of grants, loans, scholarships, etc available to students out there. Grants simply require you to have a low net-worth or income. If you looked at the family in Flint you'd see their problem wasn't a lack of money -- their house was actually quite nice. It was because they had a very large family. Finally, scholarships are available to those even in the terrible schools. You can still make decent grades in a terrible school -- in fact I'd hazard to say it might be easier. Anyone can go to a library, use public internet, or read their texts. Having decent grades, decent tests scores and some extra-curriculars will get most people a scholarship in something. Those that can't get grants or a scholarship can get loans. If people are unwilling to do either then joining the service is a good idea.
Umm no. I didn't say "90%" but simply said most are NOT moderates. From my experience at the theatre and the conversation I listented to it was obvious. Also, I'm quite able in reading this thread and seeing that most people who saw it aren't moderate here. I've read their posts for years, or seen their babble in other threads. Most people who saw it were either people who already liked Moore, or people who wanted to see how "bad" Moore would be.
1. All Moore did was claim that the Bush administration's decision to mobilize the Bin Laden's out of the country was cowardly and suspicious. He left it up to the viewer to decide whether the Bin Laden's should have been afforded such privileges in light of the importance that their testimonies may have had in determining Osama's involvement.
2. Of course he would, he's being shown in a controversial film throughout the world. I doubt his interview had little impact because you didn't even say his name.
3. ALL documentaries do this. And yes, it requires the viewer to take it in with a grain of salt.
4.WRONG. Saudi investments are well within 800 billion.
Saudi investors have $750 billion in the US. A mass walkout would seriously impede the US's attempts to pull away from recession.
hundreds of billions of dollars
$500 billion to $600 billion.
5. You live in a fantasy world if you think government funds for education are easily accessible in lower income districts. But this point is moot because poor monetary investments in schools within these districts hinder proper college preparation. I can speak from experience. Military recruiters totally hone in on these districts as well. Kind of like liquor stores.
Your arguing points, but your not providing insight into the global issue of your disagreement. I don't mean to be argumentative, but I'm trying to learn more about why there is so much angst against the film.
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