Official....Review of Fahrenheit 9/11

[LemonHead]

Imagine if Michael Moore were to be captured by the Iraqi Militant Group doing all the beheading. I wonder how many people would be chanting "off with his head! off with his head!"

Hmmmmmmm...........

<-- OMG Post count of '666' just happened to be on a Michael Moore thread! <*SHUDDER*> :Q

 

[cw42]

i like how so many people believe in the propoganda they see in the media, and in movies. people are so ignorant...

 

[JSClark]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

This movie looks great. I hate Bush and I'm sure I'll hate him even more after watchin' this!

Well, then, you'll be doing exactly what Michael Moore wants you to do. I thought the point of life was to develop your own opinions and *not* be heavily influenced by those such as Michael Moore?

Your right about the point of life, but is it all of a sudden not cool to have an open mind to someone else's opinion?

I hate Bush with a passion, yet I'm very interested to see what MM has in store, not because I totally believe in him, its because I like the way he tells it.

Rofl you like the way he lies? That comment makes no sense. We all know that Michael Moore fabricates the majority of the 'facts' in his movies and yet the reason you like him is because you 'like the way he tells it'. Please explain that as I'm trying to figure out what it is that you mean exactly. Do you like hearing lies that you know are lies? Do you tell people that the KKK became the NRA because it was in a 'documentary' by a guy so it must be true? (well, it was something like that... KKK-->NRA I think is how it went)[/quote]

Why should I entertain you with an answer to my own opinion? Hmm?
Lies huh? How much of Bowling for Columbine was all this "lies" stuff that your talking? IIRC, they are revealing more stuff about that day, even though it was 5 years ago. Again, I didn't say that I totally believe in everything he says, I was saying that I have an open mind to other people's opinions, documentary or not, if they are lies, then they are lies. Why is it so important for you to bash another person becuase of something they show interest in?

 

[TheWart]

lol

How is any review not biased?

Inherently, a review is someone picking apart a movie with reagards to whether it was good or not. If that is not a biased activity, then what is.

 

[chrisms]

Looks like an interesting film.

 

[TitanDiddly]

pwned.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: mflacy

Originally posted by: MAME
what a horrible biased review

What makes it biased? Christopher Hitchens is as liberal as it gets. He is a professor of liberal studies at Oxford plus a contributer to The Nation, a left-liberal weekly magazine, since 1982.

If anything, he is an intellectual who's pissed that his party/beliefs are being tarnished with a movie made by a self-contradicting moron.

somebody get this man a :beer:

 

[Vic]

Nice to see Moore being taken to task by his own, I've always said that liberals were smart (if sometimes misguided). For those calling bias, your first clue should have been "slate.msn.com", your second should have been "Christopher Hitchens". Just FYI, those are the folks who actually brag about being the "liberal media".

The one certainty I have found with Moore fanbois is that they seem to be just as stupid as Limbaugh's dittoheads... and just like Limbaugh, Moore is in it solely for the money, and could actually care less about politics, so long as it sells. Or why else (just like Limbaugh) does it contradict himself so often and when it serves his purposes?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: JSClark

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

This movie looks great. I hate Bush and I'm sure I'll hate him even more after watchin' this!

Well, then, you'll be doing exactly what Michael Moore wants you to do. I thought the point of life was to develop your own opinions and *not* be heavily influenced by those such as Michael Moore?

Your right about the point of life, but is it all of a sudden not cool to have an open mind to someone else's opinion?

I hate Bush with a passion, yet I'm very interested to see what MM has in store, not because I totally believe in him, its because I like the way he tells it.

Rofl you like the way he lies? That comment makes no sense. We all know that Michael Moore fabricates the majority of the 'facts' in his movies and yet the reason you like him is because you 'like the way he tells it'. Please explain that as I'm trying to figure out what it is that you mean exactly. Do you like hearing lies that you know are lies? Do you tell people that the KKK became the NRA because it was in a 'documentary' by a guy so it must be true? (well, it was something like that... KKK-->NRA I think is how it went)

Why should I entertain you with an answer to my own opinion? Hmm?
Lies huh? How much of Bowling for Columbine was all this "lies" stuff that your talking? IIRC, they are revealing more stuff about that day, even though it was 5 years ago. Again, I didn't say that I totally believe in everything he says, I was saying that I have an open mind to other people's opinions, documentary or not, if they are lies, then they are lies. Why is it so important for you to bash another person becuase of something they show interest in?[/quote]




wacko attacko

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: JSClark

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

This movie looks great. I hate Bush and I'm sure I'll hate him even more after watchin' this!

Well, then, you'll be doing exactly what Michael Moore wants you to do. I thought the point of life was to develop your own opinions and *not* be heavily influenced by those such as Michael Moore?

Your right about the point of life, but is it all of a sudden not cool to have an open mind to someone else's opinion?

I hate Bush with a passion, yet I'm very interested to see what MM has in store, not because I totally believe in him, its because I like the way he tells it.

Rofl you like the way he lies? That comment makes no sense. We all know that Michael Moore fabricates the majority of the 'facts' in his movies and yet the reason you like him is because you 'like the way he tells it'. Please explain that as I'm trying to figure out what it is that you mean exactly. Do you like hearing lies that you know are lies? Do you tell people that the KKK became the NRA because it was in a 'documentary' by a guy so it must be true? (well, it was something like that... KKK-->NRA I think is how it went)

Why should I entertain you with an answer to my own opinion? Hmm?
Lies huh? How much of Bowling for Columbine was all this "lies" stuff that your talking? IIRC, they are revealing more stuff about that day, even though it was 5 years ago. Again, I didn't say that I totally believe in everything he says, I was saying that I have an open mind to other people's opinions, documentary or not, if they are lies, then they are lies. Why is it so important for you to bash another person becuase of something they show interest in?[/quote]

I'm just trying to understand what you mean when you say ' I like how he tells it'. And if you want to know about the Bowling for Columbine lies feel free to educate yourself :
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/ amonst a billion other sites regarding the same lies portrayed in BfC.

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: FrogDog
This movie looks great. I hate Bush and I'm sure I'll hate him even more after watchin' this!

Even if the movie is based on lies and personal opinion over facts and truth?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JSClark

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

This movie looks great. I hate Bush and I'm sure I'll hate him even more after watchin' this!

Well, then, you'll be doing exactly what Michael Moore wants you to do. I thought the point of life was to develop your own opinions and *not* be heavily influenced by those such as Michael Moore?

Your right about the point of life, but is it all of a sudden not cool to have an open mind to someone else's opinion?

I hate Bush with a passion, yet I'm very interested to see what MM has in store, not because I totally believe in him, its because I like the way he tells it.

Rofl you like the way he lies? That comment makes no sense. We all know that Michael Moore fabricates the majority of the 'facts' in his movies and yet the reason you like him is because you 'like the way he tells it'. Please explain that as I'm trying to figure out what it is that you mean exactly. Do you like hearing lies that you know are lies? Do you tell people that the KKK became the NRA because it was in a 'documentary' by a guy so it must be true? (well, it was something like that... KKK-->NRA I think is how it went)

Why should I entertain you with an answer to my own opinion? Hmm?
Lies huh? How much of Bowling for Columbine was all this "lies" stuff that your talking? IIRC, they are revealing more stuff about that day, even though it was 5 years ago. Again, I didn't say that I totally believe in everything he says, I was saying that I have an open mind to other people's opinions, documentary or not, if they are lies, then they are lies. Why is it so important for you to bash another person becuase of something they show interest in?

wacko attacko[/quote]

Wow, all that does is give greater insight into the mind of a madman defending himself. Thanks for sharing it with me though.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TheWart
lol

How is any review not biased?

Inherently, a review is someone picking apart a movie with reagards to whether it was good or not. If that is not a biased activity, then what is.

Backpedal much? Try not to make it so obvious. :roll:

And yes, the copyright on any work includes the title, so long as the title is not a word or groups of words already in common usage. Fahrenheit 451 is readily identifiable as the Bradbury work, therefore it can be protected by copyright. I wondered about that when I first heard F911's title.

 

[ibintegra]

I believe that Christopher Hitchens was a supporter of the war on Iraq.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: ibintegra
I believe that Christopher Hitchens was a supporter of the war on Iraq.

So were a lot of people.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I'm really looking forward to this film. Should be a lot of fun to watch.

 

[JSClark]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

This movie looks great. I hate Bush and I'm sure I'll hate him even more after watchin' this!

Well, then, you'll be doing exactly what Michael Moore wants you to do. I thought the point of life was to develop your own opinions and *not* be heavily influenced by those such as Michael Moore?

Your right about the point of life, but is it all of a sudden not cool to have an open mind to someone else's opinion?

I hate Bush with a passion, yet I'm very interested to see what MM has in store, not because I totally believe in him, its because I like the way he tells it.

Rofl you like the way he lies? That comment makes no sense. We all know that Michael Moore fabricates the majority of the 'facts' in his movies and yet the reason you like him is because you 'like the way he tells it'. Please explain that as I'm trying to figure out what it is that you mean exactly. Do you like hearing lies that you know are lies? Do you tell people that the KKK became the NRA because it was in a 'documentary' by a guy so it must be true? (well, it was something like that... KKK-->NRA I think is how it went)

Why should I entertain you with an answer to my own opinion? Hmm?
Lies huh? How much of Bowling for Columbine was all this "lies" stuff that your talking? IIRC, they are revealing more stuff about that day, even though it was 5 years ago. Again, I didn't say that I totally believe in everything he says, I was saying that I have an open mind to other people's opinions, documentary or not, if they are lies, then they are lies. Why is it so important for you to bash another person becuase of something they show interest in?

I'm just trying to understand what you mean when you say ' I like how he tells it'. And if you want to know about the Bowling for Columbine lies feel free to educate yourself :
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/ amonst a billion other sites regarding the same lies portrayed in BfC.[/quote]


Although from what the web page states as him being a con artist to the viewer, I find it interesting to see what other people's takes are when it comes to current events. Even before I seen BfC, I thought Columbine was the peak in this teen angst that has been going on for decades now. Noone saw it coming, and they are finding new stuff almost everyday (or at least they were, last time I checked) about why those 2 kids did what they did. Even before this came out, you don't think Bush's presidency was staged? How much you willing to bed his presidency will be staged again, by means of a suprise capture of bin Laden?

Now that I went off on a completely different tangent, my point is, I just find MM's opinions and the way he gets into certain matters interesting. He's definitely Left wing, doesn't mean I associate myself in any way with being Left Wing, I just like to try and have an open mind.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: mflacy

Originally posted by: MAME
what a horrible biased review

What makes it biased? Christopher Hitchens is as liberal as it gets. He is a professor of liberal studies at Oxford plus a contributer to The Nation, a left-liberal weekly magazine, since 1982.

If anything, he is an intellectual who's pissed that his party/beliefs are being tarnished with a movie made by a self-contradicting moron.

Actually, dude the Nation won't have anything to do with him. He went off the deep end into stupid, beltway conservatism during the clinton impeachment scandal. He sold out a friend of his and lied about him to get on the taling head circuit. He is an evil snake of toad. Slate is a M$ owned publication, not a liberal one. He writes for the Atlantic Monthly, which isn't very liberal, either. Hereis an excerpt from the "Clinton Wars" that will show you the lies of the one calling liar. Nice try.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: JSClark

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

This movie looks great. I hate Bush and I'm sure I'll hate him even more after watchin' this!

Well, then, you'll be doing exactly what Michael Moore wants you to do. I thought the point of life was to develop your own opinions and *not* be heavily influenced by those such as Michael Moore?

Your right about the point of life, but is it all of a sudden not cool to have an open mind to someone else's opinion?

I hate Bush with a passion, yet I'm very interested to see what MM has in store, not because I totally believe in him, its because I like the way he tells it.

Rofl you like the way he lies? That comment makes no sense. We all know that Michael Moore fabricates the majority of the 'facts' in his movies and yet the reason you like him is because you 'like the way he tells it'. Please explain that as I'm trying to figure out what it is that you mean exactly. Do you like hearing lies that you know are lies? Do you tell people that the KKK became the NRA because it was in a 'documentary' by a guy so it must be true? (well, it was something like that... KKK-->NRA I think is how it went)

Why should I entertain you with an answer to my own opinion? Hmm?
Lies huh? How much of Bowling for Columbine was all this "lies" stuff that your talking? IIRC, they are revealing more stuff about that day, even though it was 5 years ago. Again, I didn't say that I totally believe in everything he says, I was saying that I have an open mind to other people's opinions, documentary or not, if they are lies, then they are lies. Why is it so important for you to bash another person becuase of something they show interest in?

I'm just trying to understand what you mean when you say ' I like how he tells it'. And if you want to know about the Bowling for Columbine lies feel free to educate yourself :
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/ amonst a billion other sites regarding the same lies portrayed in BfC.

Although from what the web page states as him being a con artist to the viewer, I find it interesting to see what other people's takes are when it comes to current events. Even before I seen BfC, I thought Columbine was the peak in this teen angst that has been going on for decades now. Noone saw it coming, and they are finding new stuff almost everyday (or at least they were, last time I checked) about why those 2 kids did what they did. Even before this came out, you don't think Bush's presidency was staged? How much you willing to bed his presidency will be staged again, by means of a suprise capture of bin Laden?

Now that I went off on a completely different tangent, my point is, I just find MM's opinions and the way he gets into certain matters interesting. He's definitely Left wing, doesn't mean I associate myself in any way with being Left Wing, I just like to try and have an open mind.[/quote]

You should watch the movie Elephant. It's not exactly historical or anything, but if the Columbine incident interested you then this movie will probably do so as well.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

This movie looks great. I hate Bush and I'm sure I'll hate him even more after watchin' this!

Well, then, you'll be doing exactly what Michael Moore wants you to do. I thought the point of life was to develop your own opinions and *not* be heavily influenced by those such as Michael Moore?

Your right about the point of life, but is it all of a sudden not cool to have an open mind to someone else's opinion?

I hate Bush with a passion, yet I'm very interested to see what MM has in store, not because I totally believe in him, its because I like the way he tells it.

Rofl you like the way he lies? That comment makes no sense. We all know that Michael Moore fabricates the majority of the 'facts' in his movies and yet the reason you like him is because you 'like the way he tells it'. Please explain that as I'm trying to figure out what it is that you mean exactly. Do you like hearing lies that you know are lies? Do you tell people that the KKK became the NRA because it was in a 'documentary' by a guy so it must be true? (well, it was something like that... KKK-->NRA I think is how it went)

Why should I entertain you with an answer to my own opinion? Hmm?
Lies huh? How much of Bowling for Columbine was all this "lies" stuff that your talking? IIRC, they are revealing more stuff about that day, even though it was 5 years ago. Again, I didn't say that I totally believe in everything he says, I was saying that I have an open mind to other people's opinions, documentary or not, if they are lies, then they are lies. Why is it so important for you to bash another person becuase of something they show interest in?

I'm just trying to understand what you mean when you say ' I like how he tells it'. And if you want to know about the Bowling for Columbine lies feel free to educate yourself :
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/ amonst a billion other sites regarding the same lies portrayed in BfC.[/quote]


If he was lieing then peopel could sue. But as far as I know no one has as they know he can back up what he did.

wacko attacko


Can you?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSClark

This movie looks great. I hate Bush and I'm sure I'll hate him even more after watchin' this!

Well, then, you'll be doing exactly what Michael Moore wants you to do. I thought the point of life was to develop your own opinions and *not* be heavily influenced by those such as Michael Moore?

Your right about the point of life, but is it all of a sudden not cool to have an open mind to someone else's opinion?

I hate Bush with a passion, yet I'm very interested to see what MM has in store, not because I totally believe in him, its because I like the way he tells it.

Rofl you like the way he lies? That comment makes no sense. We all know that Michael Moore fabricates the majority of the 'facts' in his movies and yet the reason you like him is because you 'like the way he tells it'. Please explain that as I'm trying to figure out what it is that you mean exactly. Do you like hearing lies that you know are lies? Do you tell people that the KKK became the NRA because it was in a 'documentary' by a guy so it must be true? (well, it was something like that... KKK-->NRA I think is how it went)

Why should I entertain you with an answer to my own opinion? Hmm?
Lies huh? How much of Bowling for Columbine was all this "lies" stuff that your talking? IIRC, they are revealing more stuff about that day, even though it was 5 years ago. Again, I didn't say that I totally believe in everything he says, I was saying that I have an open mind to other people's opinions, documentary or not, if they are lies, then they are lies. Why is it so important for you to bash another person becuase of something they show interest in?

I'm just trying to understand what you mean when you say ' I like how he tells it'. And if you want to know about the Bowling for Columbine lies feel free to educate yourself :
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/ amonst a billion other sites regarding the same lies portrayed in BfC.

If he was lieing then peopel could sue. But as far as I know no one has as they know he can back up what he did.

wacko attacko


Can you?[/quote]

Yup, bother reading that site you quoted from my earlier post? I've read wacko attacko plenty of times. I love how he references Charlton Heston's speech in that response and acts as if the way he edited it in his film wasn't intended to lead the viewer to see the speech as something that it was not.

 

[Mani]

Liberal or not, this "review" is pure crap.

 

[IgorFL]

Actually, dude the Nation won't have anything to do with him.

Actually, dude, the Nation printed his columns for about 20 years, and he has a bio on their website:

Bio on the Nation Website

He went off the deep end into stupid, beltway conservatism during the clinton impeachment scandal.

Why? Because he actually dared to challenge liberal orthodoxy? Most of my views are on the liberal end of the spectrum, yet I found Clinton's behavior in the White House to be disgraceful. Does that suddenly make me a beltway conservative?

He sold out a friend of his and lied about him to get on the taling head circuit. He is an evil snake of toad

Even if the accusations in that article are true, it amuses me that a political wing espousing moral relativism suddenly finds it necessary to pass moral judgements when it is politically advantageous.

In a nutshell, this is the kind of blind allegiance that Hitchens is railing against in his review against Moore. It is one thing to be committed to a cause. It is another thing entirely to be so narcisstic and arrogant that you fail to modestly concede when correct decisions are made by those with whom you disagree with. Like any president during wartime, Bush has made good and bad decisions. A documentary of any value would at least attempt to address those decisions in some thorough, insightful manner.

Recent attacks by the far right and left in this country have shown a complete lack of integrity, honesty, and class... and I'm glad to see that some people like Hitchens are willing to speak out against it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IgorFL
Even if the accusations in that article are true, it amuses me that a political wing espousing moral relativism suddenly finds it necessary to pass moral judgements when it is politically advantageous.

In a nutshell, this is the kind of blind allegiance that Hitchens is railing against in his review against Moore. It is one thing to be committed to a cause. It is another thing entirely to be so narcisstic and arrogant that you fail to modestly concede when correct decisions are made by those with whom you disagree with. Like any president during wartime, Bush has made good and bad decisions. A documentary of any value would at least attempt to address those decisions in some thorough, insightful manner.

Recent attacks by the far right and left in this country have shown a complete lack of integrity, honesty, and class... and I'm glad to see that some people like Hitchens are willing to speak out against it.

Strongly agreed! :thumbsup:

Please post more often.

 

[JohnCU]

Michael Moore is a fat kid.