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You realize that is total pay including retirement and etc. which is not that much for a person in DC

But is more egregious is that Leon is making decisions and he has not divested from his companies and signed the ethics pledge

Until Leon and the rest of the trumps gaggle of idiots actually divest and sign their ethics agreement their statements are about as useful as tastebuds in an asshole
That’s probably not total pay. It’s more like a low step GS-15 or high step GS-14 salary with DC locality pay.

Civil servant pay scales top out at $191,000 this year before you are on special executive service and technically serve at the pleasure of the president.
 

outriding

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That’s probably not total pay. It’s more like a low step GS-15 or high step GS-14 salary with DC locality pay.

Civil servant pay scales top out at $191,000 this year before you are on special executive service and technically serve at the pleasure of the president.


I found her salary on open payroll

And it lined up with with Leon’s statement
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Assuming the veracity of the source, why would they bother to hide P2025 affiliation at this point, any ideas?

Impressive. Including impersonating government officials. That's quite illegal, but I'm sure a) it won't count because reasons, b) not illegal unless found in a court in the impersonation region of france finds them guilty, otherwise it's just sparkling abuse of privilege, c) anonymous sources so must not be real, d) OPM deserved it and so do we.

By the end of this, the entire govt is going to need to be burned down and rebuilt just to root out all the people put in place through these shenanigans which I guess is the whole point.
 
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IronWing

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Impressive. Including impersonating government officials. That's quite illegal, but I'm sure a) it won't count because reasons, b) not illegal unless found in a court in the impersonation region of france finds them guilty, otherwise it's just sparkling abuse of privilege, c) anonymous sources so must not be real, d) OPM deserved it and so do we.

By the end of this, the entire govt is going to need to be burned down and rebuilt just to root out all the people put in place through these shenanigans which I guess is the whole point.
Many moons ago, I worked for the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Under Happy Chandler, the entire state government was converted to a political patronage system. Years later, reformers were able to restore a merit-based civil service system but the political hacks hired in the patronage years kept their jobs. The hacks could never advance as they weren't qualified to do anything but they still did plenty of damage. In my time there, we had "engineers" approving infrastructure projects who had nothing but a HS diploma to their names. Many of them thought the merit system was affirmative action keeping the rightful workers out.
 

Viper1j

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Looks like Karma finally came a callin' to the MAGAts. 🤔

Will they miss their food stamps enough to go shoot something for dinner?

All federal grants and loan disbursement paused by White House​

The order potentially halts public programs that affect millions of Americans

The White House budget office has ordered a pause on all federal grants and loans, according to an internal memorandum sent Monday, potentially impacting trillions in government spending and halting public programs that affect millions of Americans.

Federal agencies “must temporarily pause all activities related to obligation or disbursement of all Federal financial assistance,” White House Office of Management and Budget acting director Matthew Vaeth said in the memorandum, a copy of which was obtained by CNN. The pause also blocks the issuance of new grants.

The memo specifies that the pause will not affect Social Security or Medicare benefits, nor does it include “assistance provided directly to individuals.”

The freeze on federal assistance is slated to take effect at 5 p.m. Tuesday. It marks the latest move by the Trump administration to exert control over federal funding, even that which has already been allocated by Congress.

“This temporary pause will provide the Administration time to review agency programs and determine the best uses of the funding for those programs consistent with the law and the President’s priorities,” Vaeth wrote.

The memo suggests that the pause is in line with President Donald Trump’s executive orders last week.

The pause also applies to “other relevant agency activities that may be implicated by the executive orders, including, but not limited to, financial assistance for foreign aid, nongovernmental organizations, DEI, woke gender ideology, and the green new deal,” according to the memo.

“Career and political appointees in the Executive Branch have a duty to align Federal spending and action with the will of the American people as expressed through Presidential priorities,” Vaeth wrote.

According to the memo, the budget office “may grant exceptions allowing Federal agencies to issue new awards or take other actions on a case-by-case basis.”

“To the extent required by law,” agencies may also take “certain administrative actions” like closing out grants, it states.

The memo calls on agencies to submit to OMB “detailed information on any programs, projects or activities subject to this pause” by February 10.

Democrats and nonprofits express alarm​

Word of the order came Monday evening without further explanation from the Trump administration, leading charities that receive government grants and loans to question which organizations will be affected.

“This order is a potential 5-alarm fire for nonprofits and the people and communities they serve,” Diane Yentel, president and CEO of the National Council on Nonprofits, said in a statement Monday.

“From pausing research on cures for childhood cancer to closing homeless shelters, halting food assistance, reducing safety from domestic violence, and shutting down suicide hotlines, the impact of even a short pause in funding could be devastating and cost lives,” said Yentel.

The Association of American Universities, which is composed of America’s 71 leading research universities, including Notre Dame and Georgia Tech, said Tuesday it is “still working to assess” the impact of the pause.

Member universities “earn the majority of competitively awarded federal funding for research that improves public health, seeks to address national challenges, and contributes significantly to our economic strength, while educating and training tomorrow’s visionary leaders and innovators,” the association said.

Sen. Patty Murray of Washington state and Rep. Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut – the top Democratic appropriators in Congress – wrote a letter to the White House on Monday night outlining their “extreme alarm” with the move.

“The scope of what you are ordering is breathtaking, unprecedented, and will have devastating consequences across the country,” the lawmakers wrote. “We write today to urge you in the strongest possible terms to uphold the law and the Constitution and ensure all federal resources are delivered in accordance with the law.”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer also quickly criticized the pause.

“Congress approved these investments and they are not optional; they are the law,” the New York Democrat said in a statement Monday night. “These grants help people in red states and blue states, support families, help parents raise kids, and lead to stronger communities.”

Schumer added that the action jeopardizes “billions upon billions of community grants and financial support that help millions of people across the country.”

“It will mean missed payrolls and rent payments and everything in between: chaos for everything from universities to non-profit charities,” he said.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/27/poli...s-federal-grants-loan-disbursement/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/27/poli...s-federal-grants-loan-disbursement/index.html
 
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Red states about to be in the “finding out” phase of realizing just how much the state relies on federal funds to support their low state income taxes.
Well, for anyone red state or with a Republican representative, now is the time to also call your reps and complain.
 

mikeymikec

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Impressive. Including impersonating government officials. That's quite illegal, but I'm sure a) it won't count because reasons, b) not illegal unless found in a court in the impersonation region of france finds them guilty, otherwise it's just sparkling abuse of privilege, c) anonymous sources so must not be real, d) OPM deserved it and so do we.

By the end of this, the entire govt is going to need to be burned down and rebuilt just to root out all the people put in place through these shenanigans which I guess is the whole point.

I assume the checks and balances have been removed by the GQP already, essentially allowing them to do whatever they want.

I've been wondering what the GQP's endgame is.

I had a conversation with a relative about twenty years ago, (because their business dealings had taken them to China and would have exposed them to a lot of information about China's political situation) and asked them whether they thought the situation in China would change to the point that China would be less big-brother and more genuine democracy. They said no, and the conversation went along the lines of if that's what the people know and are used to, then there needs to be a catalyst for change. Just because a system isn't good, it doesn't mean that revolution is inevitable.

I recalled this conversation when considering the future evolution of the GQP, and I was wondering if something similar might happen in America (ie. a shit regime that is tolerated by it's people). On one hand, the trick that capitalism has been employing against the general populace for many decades now is a bit of a frog-boiling one, people talk about 'end-stage capitalism' but for revolution to occur you've basically got to make sure that people can't pay for the essentials any more. On the other hand, GQP America and the PRC are not working in a similar manner since the former is taking peoples' rights and apparently moving to make drastic alterations to society (e.g. mass deportations), they also appear to be engaging in fascist practices for the usual reasons (the accumulation and wielding of power for personal satisfaction).

Unless half the fascist stuff that is being floated about is a distraction for the primary aim of plundering the US by rich conservatives. That is, a stable government acting like a fascist to court the electorate while not going full-Nazi.

However, with the sheer amount of corruption going on, I'm wondering again if the GQP will hit critical mass at some point, either by going full Nazi with catastrophic consequences for the world or say they end up getting hoisted by their own petard for their actions by the very people who voted for them and those actions and are now 'finding out'.
 
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RalphTheCow

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I am so disappointed that the religious people I know supported this agenda. The Episcopalian minister is an inspiration.
 

Pens1566

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Well, for anyone red state or with a Republican representative, now is the time to also call your reps and complain.

Phone calls from John Q Public (if they even answer/listen) are not going to outweigh the pressure from God Emperor Leto Donald Elon about being primaried. They don't give a shit about the public, never have.
 

brycejones

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Phone calls from John Q Public (if they even answer/listen) are not going to outweigh the pressure from God Emperor Leto Donald Elon about being primaried. They don't give a shit about the public, never have.
Moran's offices forwarded their phones to voicemail yesterday.
 

Pens1566

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Moran's offices forwarded their phones to voicemail yesterday.

And lots of them have gone the way of Madison Cawthorn and either never open or never staff their local offices. Point is, they don't want to hear from you. Or see you. Or listen to you. Or ... have you exist.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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And lots of them have gone the way of Madison Cawthorn and either never open or never staff their local offices. Point is, they don't want to hear from you. Or see you. Or listen to you. Or ... have you exist.
We need to reset the house. Increase the number of districts as the population increases and adopt the population number it was at when it was originally set at 435 in 1929 which was about 279K in population per district. This is small enough that local campaigning matters and members have to be responsive to their districts.

This would produce a House with ~1200 members.
 
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Phone calls from John Q Public (if they even answer/listen) are not going to outweigh the pressure from God Emperor Leto Donald Elon about being primaried. They don't give a shit about the public, never have.
Republicans have agency. You may as well try for just a 2 minute phone call instead of of just throwing up your hands.

Plus, there are very narrow margins in the House, especially if someone is representing a district that has a greater chance of flipping, it might make it worthwhile. Or getting Republicans to see their not just hurting other people, but themselves.

Democrats can slow things down if they can be completely unified, but they would also need some Republicans to break from the fold. Public pressure can provide them that ramp.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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Republicans have agency. You may as well try for just a 2 minute phone call instead of of just throwing up your hands.

Plus, there are very narrow margins in the House, especially if someone is representing a district that has a greater chance of flipping, it might make it worthwhile. Or getting Republicans to see their not just hurting other people, but themselves.

Democrats can slow things down if they can be completely unified, but they would also need some Republicans to break from the fold. Public pressure can provide them that ramp.

I'm not saying "throw up your hands". Just that the vast majority of districts/constituents can actually impact this. It's like 6 out of 435, and maybe 3 or 4 senate seats.

Most people should direct their efforts elsewhere. Like shit posting on a message board :)
 

mikeymikec

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Posting this here because this is a P2025 objective.

I don't understand why conservatives think that this could possibly be a good thing. Once you throw all the euphemisms they like to use out of the window, it comes down to the fact that they're getting rid of the department of education. Even if you have the most cynical view of the purpose of education being to make useful workers for businesses of all types, then you want standardised education schemes to ensure the maximum number of potential workers. Every state's degree in mathematics should be of equal worth. If you throw out standardised education schemes then most of the potential workers from whatever backwater state will be regarded as poorly educated and therefore disregarded by employers as likely having no useful skills whatsoever.

If you turn back the wheels of civilisation far enough, your would-be voters won't need you any more either!
 
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