Official president rankings?

[GoldenBear]

Anyone know of the "official" rankings of presidents in terms of "greatness"? And/or how many of them are liberals? It seems the list would be pretty dominated by them, with..

Lincoln
Truman
Roosevelt
Kennedy
etc..

 

[Aenygma]

Well, yes there is a list done by several organazations... and altho I cant give you a URL at the moment ... they were not at all dominated by liberals.

In the top 3 were 2 republicans.

 

[GoldenBear]

Republican doesn't equal conservative.

 

[Aenygma]

As you wish,, you are splitting hairs.. the 2 in the top 3 were still Republican

 

[GoldenBear]

Lincoln was a republican, but also a leftist.

It was in the early 1900's or something where the roles reversed.

 

[Aceman]

GoldenBear, I think there's one concept that you are forgetting......
The President does not make the times. The times make the President. Please list what Kennedy did so great to make him a great President. (He was assassinated two-three years into his term, he botched the Bay of Pigs Invasion, was linked to the mob....) Or Lincoln? (If the Civil War didn't occur during his reins, he would have just been remembered as another president.) Truman, He's known for dropping the Bomb. Roosevelt, walked into a depressed economy that he knew would eventually turn itself around and he'd get "credit"

 

[Aenygma]

If there is one thing I have learned, and esp from reading past politic type threads on here, is to leave them alone.

Lincoln was not leftist! But, I wont go into it, and start recanting his many letters and policies.. So believe what ya like

Kennedy hmm wasn't that they guy who basically stole the election from Nixon? lol.. and everyone back then did know about it, but times were a very different then.. Much more honour and doing whats right, rather than so much self gain we see today.

Latah

 

[GoldenBear]

<< GoldenBear, I think there's one concept that you are forgetting......
The President does not make the times. The times make the President. Please list what Kennedy did so great to make him a great President. (He was assassinated two-three years into his term, he botched the Bay of Pigs Invasion, was linked to the mob....) Or Lincoln? (If the Civil War didn't occur during his reins, he would have just been remembered as another president.) Truman, He's known for dropping the Bomb. Roosevelt, walked into a depressed economy that he knew would eventually turn itself around and he'd get &quot;credit&quot; >>

So in other words, you can observe it so that no president in history has ever done anything.

Or, perhaps you're a pissed off conservative

 

[Aceman]

<< So in other words, you can observe it so that no president in history has ever done anything. >>



Pretty much. They're a Figure Head.

And, everyone has different views as to what makes a Great President. I view Reagan as a great president because I'm in the military. I got a huge raise and new equipment to work with while he was a president. During Carter's presidency, the military was ignored, but Carter was a great foreign diplomat. (He's been a better former president than he was a president.) Nixon was extremely great in many matters. Both foreign and domestic. Johnson stepped into the presidency at the wrong time. Bush Sr. stepped into the presidency at a time when the economy was making one of it's downward turns. Clinton walked in right as it was making an upward turn. He was worthless in my opinion. A corrupt individual that was more worried about when he'd get his next blow job over anything else!

 

[shiner]

Presidential Rankings

The only ones I really disagree with are Nixon and Kennedy. I think Nixon should have been in the above average slot, the stench of Watergate is still holding him down even though he achieved quite a bit in the foreign relations area. Kennedy should be in the average slot. The only thing he really did was kick start NASA and got us to the moon.

As for your examples...

Lincoln - A liberal or leftist? Ha...yeah he's a leftist allright, up there with Stalin and Castro. Do some reading GB, Lincoln was nowhere near being classified as a liberal.

Truman - A Democrat but hardly liberal. I bet if Give em hell Harry heard you say that he'd come up out of the grave and kick your ass.

Roosevelt - Undoubtedly a liberal.

Kennedy - More of a moderate. Had some liberal tendencies but was was more in the middle ground than anything else.

 

[ElFenix]

nixon gets screwed because the memory of watergate is so fresh, give it a while and people will realize what a true foreign policy genius he was (probably the best since t roosevelt and wilson). washington is overranked, he really didn't do much but we all love him. lincoln and fdr as well. fdr was good at giving the country a morale boost, certainly important and better than the previous admin, but his programs largely failed at their intention. heck, the country actually went into a recession during the depression. as for lincoln... well, he was hardly a liberal. his main concern was holding the union together. he &quot;freed the slaves&quot;, sure, but i guess that since you're only dreaming of being in college right now they haven't taught you that he was racist and entertained the idea of sending them all back to africa. he was elected by reactionary laborers who didn't want slavery to spread because they didn't want competition for their jobs.


and democrat doens't equal liberal. our ideas of right and left didn't exist back then. with the classical definition of liberal FDR and LBJ are not.

 

&quot;Republican&quot; of old is a much different definition then &quot;republican&quot; of new.
Republicans of old actually fought for the country and its people.

Republicans of new really only care about their beefy wallets and their friends beefy wallets in relation to their wallet.

 

[Kosugi]

Lincoln was a &quot;PROGRESSIVE&quot;, particularly on social issues, but I don't know if I would go all the way and call him a liberal. Certain aspects were very liberal for the times though.

At one time, the Republican part was the progressive party.


How Times Have Changed!

 

[Double Trouble]

Goldenbear, there is no such thing as an &quot;official&quot; ranking list, since the ranking would have to be subjective and simply based on the person making the list. There are no objective criteria for ranking presidents. Ask any pinko loser, and Clinton probably ranks near the top, when we all know he was simply a scumbag.

Further, you'll first have to define &quot;liberal&quot; and &quot;conservative&quot; before you can classify a president as one or the other. Lincoln, for example, should not be qualified as a 'liberal' -- read some of his writings and you'd realize that much.

As much as you'd like to twist history to suit your misguided notion that liberalism is good and conservatism is bad, the truth is that there's been good conservative presidents, and good liberal presidents, depending on the situation the political climate at the time they were in office. For example, I believe Carter was a genuine good man (even though I disagree with his liberal policies), but given a different time and place he might have been a good president. Reagan came along just a the right time to end the cold war.