Official Playstation 5 thread

[jpiniero]

It’s a shoddy implementation anyway where games require official support for it to work properly.

You can turn it on game by game aparently. Saw someone say it worked good on Elden Ring.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I think the dimmer picture of a projector can mask some of the flaws though. I just don’t know how a projector can display the neon city of cyberunk with the same wow factor as a higher end TV because of the dimmer picture. Also I’m not sure how a projector can handle VRR and if you will ever get a real 120hz projector. Stuff like that might be limited to actual TVs and monitors for quite a long time.

Personally I feel that 120hz, VRR, and especially HDR are the biggest benefit to a 4K TV when it comes to gaming. The resolution alone isn’t enough IMO. So if you are just going to upgrade for the resolution it’s not worth it. I don’t feel projectors at this time can compete with a TV in HDR, especially brightness.

 

[cmdrdredd]

You can turn it on game by game aparently. Saw someone say it worked good on Elden Ring.

The VRR range for unpatched games limited to a 48fps minimum. Meaning if the game drops below 48fps, VRR is not working. It’s a weird choice because a system wide forced 120fps and system wide forced VRR would allow LFC (low frame rate compensation) for VRR to function down to 30fps for a 30-120fps range. At 60hz VRR range is 40-60fps. As it stands the games that are patched basically unlock the frame rate at 120hz and make the VRR handle any drops rather than a locked 60fps. Or they stick to a 60hz output and the ps5 has a limit of 48fps for VRR. Miles morales does 120hz so you may be getting above 60fps at times on a 120hz screen while using it. So any games that are not patched for 120hz support will not get any benefit if they drop below 48fps. Why is it 48fps? I have no idea.

 

[purbeast0]

I know before I bought my projector 2 years ago I was doing all kinds of research. The true 4k ones are really expensive. So unless you always have 4k content to play through it, may not be the best option.

I have an Epson home Cinema 3800 and it outputs 4k with upscaling and supports HDMI 2.0. I used it during the pandemic in my bedroom while working from home but now I have it boxed up.

When the girlfriend and I end up buying a house it will definitely be used again in a theater room or basement.

Yeah I don't want one of those if I get one I'm getting a real one. I don't even know if HDMI 2.1 has hit projectors yet or if it has it's pretty rare. And I'm not on top of the tech, but I recall looking at receivers right around when PS5 came out and the top of the line ones don't even have 2 HDMI 2.1 ports. They all had just 1 of them so I wouldn't even be able to have XSX and PS5 hooked up same time and taking advantage of the projector had I gotten one.

My 1080p one was like on the lower end of a high end projector when I got it. It was $3k retail when new when you could find 1080p projectors for like $500. But I specifically wanted one with minimal input lag because gaming was important.

Even on my 28 inch monitor 1440p is night and day cleaner than 1080p, and hard to run games are usually rendered 1440p, 1800p, or 1800c in 60 fps modes. So would think a bigger picture would magnify those differences. Though I have never used a projector.

I mean on my 10 foot screen 1080p games look fantastic. PS4 games look fantastic on it. PS5 looks even better (obviously). My one buddy who had moved back here and never been to my house saw when I put on Finding Nemo bluray for the kiddos and when he saw it he was shocked at the image quality. He thought it wouldn't be that crisp especially at 10 feet from like 13 feet away.

I'm not saying 4k doesn't look cleaner, of course it would. But it's nowhere NEAR standard def and high def was. Like not even in the same ballpark. I have a 65" 4K TV and have seen true 4K content with UHD Blurays. Yes, it looks cleaner, but it's not anything game changing by any means.

FPS is way more important to me than resolution is so until 4k @ 60fps is the standard for these consoles, which most likely isn't coming this gen, especially with all these other buzzwords like HDR, Raytracing, etc. I can hold off

 

[purbeast0]

I think the dimmer picture of a projector can mask some of the flaws though. I just don’t know how a projector can display the neon city of cyberunk with the same wow factor as a higher end TV because of the dimmer picture. Also I’m not sure how a projector can handle VRR and if you will ever get a real 120hz projector. Stuff like that might be limited to actual TVs and monitors for quite a long time.

Personally I feel that 120hz, VRR, and especially HDR are the biggest benefit to a 4K TV when it comes to gaming. The resolution alone isn’t enough IMO. So if you are just going to upgrade for the resolution it’s not worth it. I don’t feel projectors at this time can compete with a TV in HDR, especially brightness.

No clue what you are talking about with a dimmer picture. If that is your experience with one, it's one that is just a lower end one with poor lumens.

Most people actually have their TV's set WWWAAAYYYY too bright too. I see it all the time when I go to my families houses.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

OK this is idiotic in Dying Light 2. For the second time I have gone to an area, cleared out all the zombies, and yet I still hear zombies right behind and around me only to look around in every direction and see nothing. They put the zombie sounds into the freaking soundtrack so even when there is nothing around for 100 feet it sounds like there is always a zombie right behind you within arm's length. How lazy is that to put it into the background sounds instead of just having individual zombies grunt when they're near you and attacking like every other game would do? I loved Dying Light 1, but Techland is really letting me down on DL2. I'm like 4 hours in and this game sucks with a capital S. I knew it wasn't going to be Elden Ring but JFC this is bad.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Mistake

 

[cmdrdredd]

No clue what you are talking about with a dimmer picture. If that is your experience with one, it's one that is just a lower end one with poor lumens.

Most people actually have their TV's set WWWAAAYYYY too bright too. I see it all the time when I go to my families houses.

All projectors no matter how high end are dimmer than a good HDR tv. No projector available can do 800-1000nits and even some TVs do 1500.

HDR takes advantage of that brightness. You are likely comparing an SDR picture with factory standard settings which is probably blown out a bit. HDR uses the full range correctly and peak brightness matters when displaying HDR content.

What I’m saying is that right now, 4K projectors are not capable of competing with a good TV in the areas that matter right now. It’s not worth looking for an upgrade IMO.

 

[sze5003]

OK this is idiotic in Dying Light 2. For the second time I have gone to an area, cleared out all the zombies, and yet I still hear zombies right behind and around me only to look around in every direction and see nothing. They put the zombie sounds into the freaking soundtrack so even when there is nothing around for 100 feet it sounds like there is always a zombie right behind you within arm's length. How lazy is that to put it into the background sounds instead of just having individual zombies grunt when they're near you and attacking like every other game would do? I loved Dying Light 1, but Techland is really letting me down on DL2. I'm like 4 hours in and this game sucks with a capital S. I knew it wasn't going to be Elden Ring but JFC this is bad.

Weird I never experienced that, I know there is fighting music that comes on when you are attacking zombies vs different music when you are being chased, etc. I've also experienced situations where I was attacking zombies like in the beginning area and there was no music, they were making sounds/grunts when I was hitting them. I don't know if this is a bug in consoles because I last played it when it first came out on PC.

 

[purbeast0]

All projectors no matter how high end are dimmer than a good HDR tv. No projector available can do 800-1000nits and even some TVs do 1500.

HDR takes advantage of that brightness. You are likely comparing an SDR picture with factory standard settings which is probably blown out a bit. HDR uses the full range correctly and peak brightness matters when displaying HDR content.

What I’m saying is that right now, 4K projectors are not capable of competing with a good TV in the areas that matter right now. It’s not worth looking for an upgrade IMO.

As I said, I don't care about any of those buzzwords until games can get to 4k @ 60fps as the norm, so I won't be upgrading generally speaking any time soon.

I was just looking at this chart here that basically compares lumens to nits and what is equivalent.,

Light Output in TVs vs Video Projectors

When shopping for a TV or video projector, two terms that you may be hit with are Nits and Lumens. Find out they mean and how they affect your viewing.

www.lifewire.com

My projector is 2400 lumens which is ballpark 700 lumens.

I can tell you 100% that if lumens/nits is linear, I would NOT want something that is double what I have. It would be blinding.

The game mode on my projector is "brighter" than the mode I watch movies/TV on. It's hard to explain but it's just a different picture tone/calibration that looks better for games, whereas the mode I watch stuff on is more cinematic and I calibrated it long ago with the Disney Wow calibration disc. I wouldn't want anything brighter. The only thing I would really want is to have blacker blacks.

 

[Aikouka]

Yeah I don't want one of those if I get one I'm getting a real one. I don't even know if HDMI 2.1 has hit projectors yet or if it has it's pretty rare. And I'm not on top of the tech, but I recall looking at receivers right around when PS5 came out and the top of the line ones don't even have 2 HDMI 2.1 ports. They all had just 1 of them so I wouldn't even be able to have XSX and PS5 hooked up same time and taking advantage of the projector had I gotten one.

My 1080p one was like on the lower end of a high end projector when I got it. It was $3k retail when new when you could find 1080p projectors for like $500. But I specifically wanted one with minimal input lag because gaming was important.

Linus at LinusTechTips recently showed off his new project (costs around $5000), which is technically not a true 4K projector, which they touched on in the video, but they seemed fairly impressed with its capability overall. It does have HDMI 2.1 (two of them, I think).

In regard to receivers, I ran into the same problem as you. Denon released a 3-to-1 HDMI 2.1 switch that you'd have to buy (for $200, I think?) just to handle more HDMI 2.1 streams to their top receiver. I ended up purchasing the cheaper Denon receiver at Costco (about equivalent to the 1x00 series) which comes with 3x HDMI 2.1 by default; however, it isn't as powerful as my old AVR-4100, and you can tell when you have to turn the volume up. But at least it works!

 

[purbeast0]

Linus at LinusTechTips recently showed off his new project (costs around $5000), which is technically not a true 4K projector, which they touched on in the video, but they seemed fairly impressed with its capability overall. It does have HDMI 2.1 (two of them, I think).

In regard to receivers, I ran into the same problem as you. Denon released a 3-to-1 HDMI 2.1 switch that you'd have to buy (for $200, I think?) just to handle more HDMI 2.1 streams to their top receiver. I ended up purchasing the cheaper Denon receiver at Costco (about equivalent to the 1x00 series) which comes with 3x HDMI 2.1 by default; however, it isn't as powerful as my old AVR-4100, and you can tell when you have to turn the volume up. But at least it works!

I remember seeing the thread on AVS Forums when people were finding that at Costco. It was really cheap too but yeah definitely not powerful enough for my equipment and what I want. It was strange how that was on this lower end unlisted model (wasn't on Denon's website at the time) and the highest end one at the time only had 1 of those ports.

 

[cmdrdredd]

As I said, I don't care about any of those buzzwords until games can get to 4k @ 60fps as the norm, so I won't be upgrading generally speaking any time soon.

I was just looking at this chart here that basically compares lumens to nits and what is equivalent.,

Light Output in TVs vs Video Projectors

When shopping for a TV or video projector, two terms that you may be hit with are Nits and Lumens. Find out they mean and how they affect your viewing.

www.lifewire.com

My projector is 2400 lumens which is ballpark 700 lumens.

I can tell you 100% that if lumens/nits is linear, I would NOT want something that is double what I have. It would be blinding.

The game mode on my projector is "brighter" than the mode I watch movies/TV on. It's hard to explain but it's just a different picture tone/calibration that looks better for games, whereas the mode I watch stuff on is more cinematic and I calibrated it long ago with the Disney Wow calibration disc. I wouldn't want anything brighter. The only thing I would really want is to have blacker blacks.

It is supposed to be almost blinding but only in specular highlights. The thing that good TVs do is keep the shadows and black levels as black (OLED can be 0 nits)and the bright flashlight pointing at you might be 800nits. This is because HDR can use the full range.

It’s a matter of HDR vs SDR and not so much the resolution. SDR pictures are generally much more flat and dull when compared to the same image in HDR.

Like I said I don’t think it’s even worth considering an upgrade yet for projector users. I’m spoiled with OLED TVs though now that I have 3 of them so I could be bias.

 

[purbeast0]

It is supposed to be almost blinding but only in specular highlights. The thing that good TVs do is keep the shadows and black levels as black (OLED can be 0 nits)and the bright flashlight pointing at you might be 800nits. This is because HDR can use the full range.

It’s a matter of HDR vs SDR and not so much the resolution. SDR pictures are generally much more flat and dull when compared to the same image in HDR.

Like I said I don’t think it’s even worth considering an upgrade yet for projector users. I’m spoiled with OLED TVs though now that I have 3 of them so I could be bias.

Yeah from what I've heard, HDR on projectors isn't that great. Generally speaking, projectors are usually like 5 or so years behind TVs tech wise.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Weird I never experienced that, I know there is fighting music that comes on when you are attacking zombies vs different music when you are being chased, etc. I've also experienced situations where I was attacking zombies like in the beginning area and there was no music, they were making sounds/grunts when I was hitting them. I don't know if this is a bug in consoles because I last played it when it first came out on PC.

Turns out the bug happens every time I clear out one of the areas with tanks and ambulances and such that have valuables to loot. Can reproduce it every single time there. Even with the annoying bugs I'm starting to like the game after playing a few hours today. Really want to get my stamina to 300 before I start working on my health though.

 

[Aikouka]

I remember seeing the thread on AVS Forums when people were finding that at Costco. It was really cheap too but yeah definitely not powerful enough for my equipment and what I want. It was strange how that was on this lower end unlisted model (wasn't on Denon's website at the time) and the highest end one at the time only had 1 of those ports.

I think the problem is that the existing high-end models are actually 2020 models. The model that I bought is a 2021 model, which is likely why it has more HDMI 2.1 ports. We'll probably have to wait for this year's models to get multiple HDMI 2.1 ports on high-end models. Although, I usually wait a year to get a discount, so I'd have to wait until next year to get a 3000 or 4000 series for a decent price.

 

[KentState]

In general AVR's really stagnated over the last 4 years. When I was looking a few years back, Yamaha would release a yearly update to their higher end units. They actually skipped a few years and took forever to have a HDMI 2.1 capable unit. Both the manufacturers and consumers held out for 2.1 and when it finally landed, it was a mess. It's now taking time for the manufacturers to start building fully capable units in the midst of a pandemic and component shortage. I know I'm waiting for an Atmos 7.2.4 unit with at least 4 HDMI 2.1 ports.

 

[Muadib]

In general AVR's really stagnated over the last 4 years. When I was looking a few years back, Yamaha would release a yearly update to their higher end units. They actually skipped a few years and took forever to have a HDMI 2.1 capable unit. Both the manufacturers and consumers held out for 2.1 and when it finally landed, it was a mess. It's now taking time for the manufacturers to start building fully capable units in the midst of a pandemic and component shortage. I know I'm waiting for an Atmos 7.2.4 unit with at least 4 HDMI 2.1 ports.

Are you against using separates? I have the Marantz 8805, and they have a new board that I can upgrade to that has 3 HDMI 2.1 ports. They should start selling the 8805A any day now.

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah the high end denon one that had 1 2.1 HDMI had an upgrade too. I think it was like $600 for the board + installation.

 

[Muadib]

Yeah the high end denon one that had 1 2.1 HDMI had an upgrade too. I think it was like $600 for the board + installation.

That’s the same price for my upgrade. I haven’t made up my mind to do it though.

 

[KentState]

Are you against using separates? I have the Marantz 8805, and they have a new board that I can upgrade to that has 3 HDMI 2.1 ports. They should start selling the 8805A any day now.

Not really against separates but going to wait a little longer before I do anything. I made the jump in receivers for 3D, 4k and finally 4k/HDR/Atmos but going to give HDMI 2.1 a little more time. The industry made the spec to open to implementation. Maybe by then I can get a QOLED and build a nice setup just before the 8K craze hits

 

[Muadib]

Not really against separates but going to wait a little longer before I do anything. I made the jump in receivers for 3D, 4k and finally 4k/HDR/Atmos but going to give HDMI 2.1 a little more time. The industry made the spec to open to implementation. Maybe by then I can get a QOLED and build a nice setup just before the 8K craze hits

QD Oled will have HDMI 2.1 ports. Sadly there won’t be a model larger than 65 inches. My man cave has a 75 inch Qled. I can’t go smaller.

8k won’t be on my radar for 3-5 years.

 

[purbeast0]

LOL @ 8k.

We aren't even close to 4k @ 60fps and we already talking about 8k.

 

[repoman0]

I grabbed a Marantz NR1711 last year after my older one died. Has five (?) HDMI 2.1 ports and is supposedly VRR compatible. I got the VRR update on my PS5 and it definitely isn’t working right in Elden Ring. Though technically an unsupported game I thought I read that it does work. I just get a bunch of screen flashing and no picture. I’m going to try straight to the TV with sound fed back to the receiver through optical.

 

[purbeast0]

I grabbed a Marantz NR1711 last year after my older one died. Has five (?) HDMI 2.1 ports and is supposedly VRR compatible. I got the VRR update on my PS5 and it definitely isn’t working right in Elden Ring. Though technically an unsupported game I thought I read that it does work. I just get a bunch of screen flashing and no picture. I’m going to try straight to the TV with sound fed back to the receiver through optical.

A quick google search says that receiver only has 1 HDMI 2.1 port.

While on the NR1710 we were getting a staggering 7 HDMI inputs at the back along with one more at the front the NR1711 comes with only 6 HDMI inputs in total with all of them being at the rear. From these 6 ports five of them are the older HDMI 2.0b and only the sixth one is HDMI 2.1. So in essence we loose one HDMI at the front and one HDMI at the back in order to get one new HDMI 2.1 input. Along with the six inputs we also get a single HDMI 2.1 output.

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Also couldn't find anything about 2.1 specs on their official website.