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[SteveGrabowski]

Where's the source on this?

The CEO told investors this in a conference call.

Cyberpunk 2077 runs “surprisingly well” on current-gen consoles according to CD Projekt’s CEO

It's good news after the game's recent delay

www.gamesradar.com

 

[JujuFish]

The CEO told investors this in a conference call.

Cyberpunk 2077 runs “surprisingly well” on current-gen consoles according to CD Projekt’s CEO

It's good news after the game's recent delay

www.gamesradar.com

Oh damn, on an investor call no less? That seems...like an incredibly stupid thing to do.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Oh damn, on an investor call no less? That seems...like an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Hence the class action lawsuit being threatened right now from investors. What a mess.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If you dig around for articles it can be found that they said base consoles run fine. The fact that they didn't send any console review codes out should be a warning in the first place. What they did is messed up for sure.

Whatever happens I just hope management changes there. If it were completely up to the devs they would have delayed it again.

I won't shed a tear if they go under from this. Yeah Witcher 3 was a good game, but one game I liked five years isn't enough to make me think the company itself is any different from EA who also loves to crunch talented developers into the ground and deliver sometimes terrible products to buyers. They're another corporation and corporations are not our friends.

 

[sze5003]

I won't shed a tear if they go under from this. Yeah Witcher 3 was a good game, but one game I liked five years isn't enough to make me think the company itself is any different from EA who also loves to crunch talented developers into the ground and deliver sometimes terrible products to buyers. They're another corporation and corporations are not our friends.

I know what it feels like to work for corporations. Doesn't matter how many times I tell my product owners or business that this software will take too long to do, needs more time, etc. They already have a date and it needs to be on shelf by that date. This is how it works for all big companies unless you are a start up. What they say goes, and it's like an act of congress to try and get them to side with you.

 

[repoman0]

I won't shed a tear if they go under from this. Yeah Witcher 3 was a good game, but one game I liked five years isn't enough to make me think the company itself is any different from EA who also loves to crunch talented developers into the ground and deliver sometimes terrible products to buyers. They're another corporation and corporations are not our friends.

Yeah, it’d be great if the only company that sells games (theirs and others) without DRM or some dumb launch platform attached to it goes under.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, it’d be great if the only company that sells games (theirs and others) without DRM or some dumb launch platform attached to it goes under.

yeah, seriously. Sounds incredibly vindictive response for one massive mistake against a company that has otherwise been very, very good to their fans for a long time.

It's as if Steve is hoping that they get bought out by EA or someone and basically just go the way of Bioware, Black Isle, (OG) Obsidian, whatever.

The investor call was an incredibly inappropriate...wrong thing to do. They are going to be punished for that, justifiably so. In the end, it is most likely some chowder heads on the board that YOLO'd this release because they were tired of listening to the workers telling them what was really going on. That is inexcusable, and assuming this is the case, best course of action is to sever ties with those morons and spend the next year rebuilding goodwill for consumers and getting this game fixed--in the end, it is a seriously great game beneath a bunch of issues. Those that can see past this can see it; those that can't, probably aren't even playing it because they are being consumed by the negative response...a lot of it legit, of course, but a lot of it is also completely unfounded.

But yeah--hoping for the end of CDPR is probably the absolute last thing you want to happen right now if you actually like games.

I'm...strangely considering loading up on some CDPR stock (not sure if I can in the US? haven't checked yet), because that ~30% dip last week and this looks rather enticing, lol (Granted, that previous value from which they fell was really just floated on the prayers for what this game would be, so it's hard to say that the 30% dip is an honest dip from actual value....and way too short of a history to expect them to recover. ...however, if they do get bought out, it would still be a pretty good play, I think...assuming it doesn't mean they fall even further to really attract the vultures on a cheap buy )

 

[purbeast0]

The CEO probably legit thought that too. The disconnect between devs and suits is real in the dev world and im guessing their company is fairly large and has a lot of levels up the chain.

 

[zinfamous]

The CEO probably legit thought that too. The disconnect between devs and suits is real in the dev world and im guessing their company is fairly large and has a lot of levels up the chain.

Yes, quite possible. Thing is, they are still relatively small--actual size--but their "public value" this year surpassed Ubisoft, which is nuts. They only work on one project at a time, so for whatever reason, they don't have the human resources to pivot so quickly.

I think a likely scenario is that a lot of those guys, particularly the 3 +1 founders that have the largest collective share, just let a lot of that value go to their heads this year--maybe it's some of those guys, all of them, or maybe they are the only 3 on the board (I think the +1 isn't really a board member?) were the only sensible ones, but powerless to the industry suits on the rest of the board that showed up when CDPR went public. It's not likely we'll ever know what exactly happened, but it was a huge screwup, probably influenced by a lot of sudden wealth that provided a false sense of acceptable behavior from, either well-meaning folks or just, well expected corporate grift from scummy board members that probably had no other intention with the company but to serve for 1 or 2 years, sell their shares, and gtfo.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

yeah, seriously. Sounds incredibly vindictive response for one massive mistake against a company that has otherwise been very, very good to their fans for a long time.

Are you serious? Calling this a mistake? A mistake would be putting out a game and then oh some nasty bug is found by the community that slipped through QA because 80 testers aren't able to put the game through the kind of wringer that a million players do. Putting out trash that they lied about being in good shape and hid so they could con console gamers into pre-ordering and buying on launch date isn't a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing and I think it's perverse to try to excuse this kind of behavior. Which you absolutely are doing using soft language like mistake. It makes you sound like you're part of CDPR's PR team or something to characterize scamming people like it's an honest mistake.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It's as if Steve is hoping that they get bought out by EA or someone and basically just go the way of Bioware, Black Isle, (OG) Obsidian, whatever.

They pretty much are modern Bioware right now after this release.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The investor call was an incredibly inappropriate...wrong thing to do. They are going to be punished for that, justifiably so. In the end, it is most likely some chowder heads on the board that YOLO'd this release because they were tired of listening to the workers telling them what was really going on. That is inexcusable, and assuming this is the case, best course of action is to sever ties with those morons and spend the next year rebuilding goodwill for consumers and getting this game fixed--in the end, it is a seriously great game beneath a bunch of issues. Those that can see past this can see it; those that can't, probably aren't even playing it because they are being consumed by the negative response...a lot of it legit, of course, but a lot of it is also completely unfounded.

Tell me what's unfounded with the anger at this game being a con to console players. And for PC, it's also pretty shady they're telling people with very pedestrian hardware (for 2020) they have enough for the recommended experience when it's really more like minimum requirements.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Yeah, it’d be great if the only company that sells games (theirs and others) without DRM or some dumb launch platform attached to it goes under.

Denuvo sucks, but thankfully seems like the trend is for companies to rent it to protect their launch windows as opposed to buying it in perpetuity now.

 

[zinfamous]

Are you serious? Calling this a mistake? A mistake would be putting out a game and then oh some nasty bug is found by the community that slipped through QA because 80 testers aren't able to put the game through the kind of wringer that a million players do. Putting out trash that they lied about being in good shape and hid so they could con console gamers into pre-ordering and buying on launch date isn't a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing and I think it's perverse to try to excuse this kind of behavior. Which you absolutely are doing using soft language like mistake. It makes you sound like you're part of CDPR's PR team or something to characterize scamming people like it's an honest mistake.

well, there's one hell of an accusation about me.

You use scam quite liberally, to be honest. Just because something is a complete clusterf$%&k, doesn't mean it is also a scam. Your argument is based on some knowledge of intent, which neither you, I, or anyone else really has. You assume that it happened this way only because there was a specific design behind it, but you don't actually know that. I think this is influencing your opinion too strongly, when it isn't very helpful to do so.

Again, it's best to not get too incredibly emotional about a thing before seeing how it shakes out. People are...incredibly emotional right now, for some reason. I don't really get it, tbh (but to be fair, I really don't care about last gen hardware that shouldn't have been "Dragging everything" down anyway--but THAT is simply my own personal jerk response that I promise you that I am not using to influence my take on any of this).

How CDPR respond to this over these weeks, the next, and the next several months is important. Like I said earlier...just chill out a bit. A screwed-up release is a minor, barely-an-actual issue in the grand scheme of things (Especially this year).

Also: the default: trying to do actual work during a world-wide pandemic throughout the entire year is a valid, tolerable excuse. It just is. So, again, settle the eff down about perceived internal issues that none of us can accurately know right now.

 

[sze5003]

Are you serious? Calling this a mistake? A mistake would be putting out a game and then oh some nasty bug is found by the community that slipped through QA because 80 testers aren't able to put the game through the kind of wringer that a million players do. Putting out trash that they lied about being in good shape and hid so they could con console gamers into pre-ordering and buying on launch date isn't a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing and I think it's perverse to try to excuse this kind of behavior. Which you absolutely are doing using soft language like mistake. It makes you sound like you're part of CDPR's PR team or something to characterize scamming people like it's an honest mistake.

The best you can do is hope management changes, not hope the company goes down.

They messed up and the reason they messed up is because decisions like that come from the top down.

Like I said earlier, business people wants/needs > whatever devs/testers say/want.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

well, there's one hell of an accusation about me.

You use scam quite liberally, to be honest. Just because something is a complete clusterf$%&k, doesn't mean it is also a scam.

Again, it's best to not get too incredibly emotional about a thing before seeing how it shakes out. People are...incredibly emotional right now, for some reason. I don't really get it, tbh (but to be fair, I really don't care about last gen hardware that shouldn't have been "Dragging everything" down anyway--but THAT is simply my own personal jerk response that I promise you that I am not using to influence my take on any of this).

How they respond to this over these weeks, the next, and the next several months is important. Like I said earlier...just chill out a bit. A screwed-up release is a minor, barely-an-actual issue in the grand scheme of things.

I don't see how it's emotional to think bad things should happen to bad people when they do evil things. 'We have this amazing game coming out, it runs well but we won't show you, but you can trust us because we're the one true pro-gamer developer so you can keep pre-ordering, trust us' --- and then the game is completely unplayable on console. How is that not a scam? Honestly you seem more emotionally invested, minimizing and excusing the evil deeds of a lying corporation. It's not a screwed up release. They knew exactly what they were doing. They knew if anyone saw how garbage a game it was before release a huge fraction of their console pre-orders would have been canceled. But once you download the game or once you open that shrink wrap you're usually stuck with the game and that's what they were banking on.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The CEO probably legit thought that too. The disconnect between devs and suits is real in the dev world and im guessing their company is fairly large and has a lot of levels up the chain.

Then he's a worthless CEO if he doesn't know anything about the game. I can't imagine he wouldn't have taken the time to see how this game would look to his biggest userbase, e.g. the previous gen console players, considering this is the only major thing they have released since Blood & Wine back in 2016. I think it's much more likely he was just a liar trying to protect pre-order sales.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't see how it's emotional to think bad things should happen to bad people when they do evil things. 'We have this amazing game coming out, it runs well but we won't show you, but you can trust us because we're the one true pro-gamer developer so you can keep pre-ordering, trust us' --- and then the game is completely unplayable on console. How is that not a scam? Honestly you seem more emotionally invested, minimizing and excusing the evil deeds of a lying corporation. It's not a screwed up release. They knew exactly what they were doing. They knew if anyone saw how garbage a game it was before release a huge fraction of their console pre-orders would have been canceled. But once you download the game or once you open that shrink wrap you're usually stuck with the game and that's what they were banking on.

"Evil" things, huh? wow, that's another hyperbolic take on what is, essentially, the history of consumerism since, forever.

Have you heard the expression "caveat emptor?" This is what I use to guide my purchasing life, and it has served me well for decades now. It does help to keep the emotions in check, especially when they are inappropriately attached to what is, essentially, "buying a thing." I've been there...it sucks, sure, but there is nothing new under the sun here.

Simply, this is not evil. Not nearly CLOSE to evil. That is hyperbole, and why I think it would do you well to not put so much stock in such things when they happen. You seem overly invested in this for now. Calling this evil does a great disservice to actual evil in the world.

Also, this isn't a garbage game.

Have you played it, or just going off of (only) the intensely negative reviews, and assume they are all as accurate as you want them to be? It seems you want to invest in only one story about this game release. And you do--you regularly reject any deserving positive reviews about this game, and cling only to the negative aspects of the release like an angry pitbull, lol. If you've noticed, I consistently agree with the many criticisms about the game; so no: how can I possibly be "the emotional one," when I'm not clinging to one hyper-biased perspective?

Maybe you should actually play it before casting it aside as "The most evil tyrannical thing to ever happen to humans!" D:

 

[JujuFish]

I don't see how it's emotional to think bad things should happen to bad people when they do evil things.

This is absurd. They screwed up. That doesn't make them bad people who did evil things.

Honestly you seem more emotionally invested, minimizing and excusing the evil deeds of a lying corporation.

Not a chance. Your language makes it glaringly obvious that you are far and away more emotionally invested here.

 

[zinfamous]

This is absurd. They screwed up. That doesn't make them bad people who did evil things.


Not a chance. Your language makes it glaringly obvious that you are far and away more emotionally invested here.

...I get the impression that he wants (if not explicitly, but certainly would be the result of his: "destroy all independent companies that make a mistake!"--pretty much like all of them do) 90% of the gaming industry to basically become: "Call of Madden 57: Season of Blood Fury, 17, 3rd quarter loot box pack"

 

[SteveGrabowski]

"Evil" things, huh? wow, that's another hyperbolic take on what is, essentially, the history of consumerism since, forever.

Have you heard the expression "caveat emptor?" This is what I use to guide my purchasing life, and it has served me well for decades now. It does help to keep the emotions in check, especially when they are inappropriately attached to what is, essentially, "buying a thing." I've been there...it sucks, sure, but there is nothing new under the sun here.

Simply, this is not evil. Not nearly CLOSE to evil. That is hyperbole, and why I think it would do you well to not put so much stock in such things when they happen. You seem overly invested in this for now. Calling this evil does a great disservice to actual evil in the world.

Also, this isn't a garbage game.

Have you played it, or just going off of (only) the intensely negative reviews, and assume they are all as accurate as you want them to be? It seems you want to invest in only one story about this game release. And you do--you regularly reject any deserving positive reviews about this game, and cling only to the negative aspects of the release like an angry pitbull, lol. If you've noticed, I consistently agree with the many criticisms about the game; so no: how can I possibly be "the emotional one," when I'm not clinging to one hyper-biased perspective?

Maybe you should actually play it before casting it aside as "The most evil tyrannical thing to ever happen to humans!" D:

It's a garbage game on console and last I checked, lying and deceiving are evil things.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

This is absurd. They screwed up. That doesn't make them bad people who did evil things.

So I'm not a bad person if I knowingly sell you something broken and tell you it works great, knowing you'll have a hell of a time getting your money back?

 

[purbeast0]

Ah there it is. He's one of those people who thinks the game is trash and doesn't want anyone to enjoy it. There seem to be a lot of those when these big games come out.

And FWIW, I have absolutely no interest in CP2077 but wouldn't call it a bad game, since I have never played it.

 

[JujuFish]

So I'm not a bad person if I knowingly sell you something broken and tell you it works great, knowing you'll have a hell of a time getting your money back?

If you really think CDP are bad people doing evil things, then you are ever so blessed to have lived such a sheltered life.

Where did CDP sell me something broken after telling me it works great? Hmm? Please, enlighten me.

 

[zinfamous]

It's a garbage game on console and last I checked, lying and deceiving are evil things.

is it a garbage game on all consoles? I thought it performed fairly decent on the current gen, no? It certainly performs really well on my 3+ year old PC hardware, which actually is complete garbage compared to PS5 and XBSX, so, I mean, that would certainly surprise me that current gen consoles have a worse experience than I do--and I promise you, this is absolutely not a garbage game. Again: have you actually played it?

I don't know any modern human operating in the world that exists today would label "deceit" or "lying" as evil. There is too much real evil to go around. This is unethical at worse, and that is bad enough.

If you aren't aware by now, most readers here are interpreting your word choice here as painting you to be, perhaps, overly invested (Read: emotional) about this issue. Lol, I'm not trying to judge you, it's just that there are avenues for these problems to actually be redressed, and the best course, now, is for the board and their share holders to act. That is what has to happen.

Your job, as a consumer, is to seek recourse through refund or state AG if it comes to that.

To call any of this evil is just...completely, ridiculous.

Again, "caveat emptor" has long been the rule that, legally, is expected of consumers to follow. That's just how it is. When the consumer is directly deceived and can't make an honest decision on the supplied information, then well, that's what is happening now.

Were any humans harmed or even killed, intentionally, by the actions of this company?