*Official* Ongoing Police Misconduct Thread -- Experiment Terminated 6/27/14

[Cozarkian]

Did you know?

• Police officers are people.
• Some people are douchebags.

Yes, and it is a bad idea to allow douchebags to be placed in a position of authority susceptible to abuses of power that harm ordinary individuals.

We should strive to eliminate cases of police misconduct by employing better screening methods and harsher penalties when misconduct is discovered.

I don't feel bad for the miscreants that get themselves shot while resisting arrest, but we should not stand by and watch when innocent people are victimized by cops.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yes, and it is a bad idea to allow douchebags to be placed in a position of authority susceptible to abuses of power that harm ordinary individuals.

We should strive to eliminate cases of police misconduct by employing better screening methods and harsher penalties when misconduct is discovered.

I don't feel bad for the miscreants that get themselves shot while resisting arrest, but we should not stand by and watch when innocent people are victimized by cops.

Likewise, we also shouldn't delude ourselves or misrepresent / sensationalize certain situations to fit a narrative. I see a lot of that in cop hate threads.

 

[Cozarkian]

Likewise, we also shouldn't delude ourselves or misrepresent / sensationalize certain situations to fit a narrative. I see a lot of that in cop hate threads.

Yep, I usually see that in the "my poor little angelic boy with an arrest record longer than resume was murdered by cops arresting him during his most recent crime" articles.

The article I posted, however, is a pretty clear case of "cop lies to save his own skin, leading to arrest of innocent woman, video evidence catches him in the lie, and he admits he lied." Instead of losing his job, he gets a 9-day suspension, which is a slap on the wrist compared to the anguish he caused an innocent person.

 

[Oldgamer]

Likewise, we also shouldn't delude ourselves or misrepresent / sensationalize certain situations to fit a narrative. I see a lot of that in cop hate threads.

I think we should shine a light on all the cases of abuse, neglect, and outright criminal behavior on every cop that does the things we have found in most of these threads. Not give people a hard time and try to sweep it under a rug. In addition the more you keep this stuff at the forefront the more people start to see how very often it happens, and how very little repercussions for most of these corrupt individuals there are. It really is an eye opener. Here I sit wondering when those who complain like you will start your own "Good cop threads" so we can start making comparisons. Are all of the cops bad, no. But there are far too many cops that stand silent on these issues and stand behind the blue wall of silence that causes a huge amount of public mistrust. That makes them just as bad in my book.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Likewise, we also shouldn't delude ourselves or misrepresent / sensationalize certain situations to fit a narrative. I see a lot of that in cop hate threads.

all cops should be above reproach!! It is too bad that as adults we cannot tell our kids that cops are their friends!! It is quite obvious that cops are NOT our friends!! A tiny minority of cops are still above reproach!!

 

[ch33zw1z]

What a waste of tax payers money and time:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ng-people-over-ice-cream-video_n_5267266.html

 

[davmat787]

Offended by anything you post here? Pass whatever you're smoking over here bro.

I find the confinement of news worthy stories to a single thread absurd. They're not all the same, and it's sad that a few whiny posters can make that happen.

If I found all the good stories about LEO's and started posting them individually, do you think the outcome would be the same? I certainly do not.

I will not be visiting the confined thread. I posted in it, and it's been removed from my subscriptions list. They're successfully silencing you.

What that means for AT is less hits from me, and more hits to another site for news stories.

The subforum with the least moderation now has a single combined thread for one of the more important issues facing the public today. I only read a few people bitching about YAOGCT shit, everyone else and the silent majority either participated or was otherwise fine with individual threads.

Whatevs as the cool kids say. 🙄

Hell, even the Supreme Court of the United States upheld the legality of recording the police in public by declining to hear the appeal, as it should.

The police and government are filming us plebians at an alarming and increasing rate. Combine that with HD video cameras becoming cheaper and more common, and something will come to a head. Which is ridiculous, I bet 99% of the cops trying to illegally stop a recording are fully aware of the Supreme Court ruling.

It's that culture that allows officers to break the law and then cover for them that really infuriates me, all while on paid administrative leave while the dust settles.

 

[davmat787]

Likewise, we also shouldn't delude ourselves or misrepresent / sensationalize certain situations to fit a narrative. I see a lot of that in cop hate threads.

Why does discussing news of illegal police activity or misconduct equate to "cop hate" as you said?

Should we just continue to ignore it because we aren't typically victims, and let them become further emboldened year by year?

 

[Deadjester451]

I don't believe concern should be equated with cop hate.

Yes there will always be those who have mental issue with or those who hate cops or whatever. But that does not mean there are not people who are also concerned with those same issues too and appreciate the info in spite of why it may have been posted and at times good can come out of others negative intentions.

Which is why I find it sad that in this day of information and freedom, that this freedom is not used wisely and is instead used in more of a confining way for that which we personally have issues with and can easily deal with it by not clicking a link. Something so simple and yet so hard for some to wisely use.

There wasn't even the decency that if you are going to drop down to such a level to at least sticky the thread like so many sites do today when such things accrue.

And I would suggest that if something new pops up, at least bold or something to make it an attention grabber, that something new has shown up. And Oldgamer and others who approve of this combining of the threads, at the very least push for it to be a sticky. Other sites do it so no reason for AT to be behind the times in this regard.

 

[Oldgamer]

Here is another one: http://nypost.com/2014/05/06/nypd-has-raided-dead-mans-home-over-and-over-suit/

I think either they are looking for something that the dead man hid, or they are just outright harassing this family. It can't be that after a dozen times and her screaming and waiving a death certificate in their faces that they aren't aware. I hope she wins her case.

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He’s been dead for eight years, but try telling that to the NYPD.
Cops have barged into James Jordan Sr.’s family home looking for him more than a dozen times since he died in 2006 — prompting his exasperated relatives to finally post his death certificate on the front door.
“I tell them over and over, ‘James isn’t here! He’s dead! It’s that simple. What’s so difficult to understand about that?’ ” the Brooklyn security guard’s widow, Karen, told The Post on Monday.
James Jordan Sr., who died from diabetes at age 46, was last arrested in 1996 — for turnstile-jumping, said Karen Jordan, who has filed a lawsuit against the city in Brooklyn federal court.
But cops still routinely ransack the family’s Bushwick home on Sumner Avenue, demanding to see him — coming four times this year alone, Jordan said.

The widow finally taped his death certificate to the door.
“I wanted it to be the first thing they saw before they came into my home and flipped it upside down,” Jordan said. “I can’t hide anyone in my apartment. It’s not big enough for that. But they keep coming and insisting that he’s in my house.”
Jordan said she’s mystified by the NYPD’s apparent obsession with her late spouse because he had such a minuscule criminal history. Law-enforcement sources said Jordan Sr. had three sealed arrests in 1996.
“He was a hardworking man, and he took care of eight kids,” the widow said. “It isn’t right for them to be coming after him like this. There’s no reason for it.”
Jordan said the NYPD’s visits leave their home a wreck.
“They tell me to be quiet or they’ll lock me up,” she said. “So they go through my entire house, turning out drawers, looking in closets, harassing my children and asking them terrible questions.
“I’m at my wit’s end,” Jordan said, adding that she also keeps the death certificate at the ready right next to the door on a dresser.
Jordan’s son, James Jr., 31, said officers rushed into the apartment in July and arrested him when he told them his name.

“I told them that my father was gone,” he said. “They just didn’t believe me. When they came in, they came in like a riot team. It was like a raid. Six officers rushed into the apartment and woke me up.”
Jordan Jr. and a pal were hit with weapons-possession charges that were later dropped, family lawyer Ugo Uzoh says in the suit. He has no other criminal history.
“My dad’s spirit is here. But you can’t arrest his spirit,” Jordan Jr. said. “I just want my dad to rest in peace. Even when you’re dead, you still get harassed.”
The city’s Law Department declined to comment.

 

[Deadjester451]

Since I have little legal experience, I will ask. Is a warrant just for a location or does it cite the name of the person to that lives there too? And if it does, if that person is dead, does that void the warrant?

 

[Oldgamer]

Since I have little legal experience, I will ask. Is a warrant just for a location or does it cite the name of the person to that lives there too? And if it does, if that person is dead, does that void the warrant?

It generally cites the name and the address to my knowledge. But c'mon this is ridiculous that they have done this over a dozen times, and she even shows them the death certificate. I really think something more is going on here.

 

[Oldgamer]

Link to news article



No drugs were found in his throat or stomach or anywhere says autopsy report.

Wow, they outright killed this kid. Why not just take him to a hospital and have them x ray him? Or let a doctor look at him?

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HUNTSVILLE, AL (WAFF) -
A mother claims her 17-year-old son died at the hands of Huntsville Police. Nancy Smith filed a federal lawsuit in March claiming assault and battery, wrongful death and excessive force among other things.

In the suit, Smith alleges her family has not been interviewed by Huntsville Police and that she had been refused a copy of her son's autopsy report.

The cause of death was ruled undetermined, according to an autopsy performed by the Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences. The autopsy report stated the findings included blunt force injuries and anoxic/hypoxic ischemic encephalopathy, which is when the brain does not receive enough oxygen.

The lawsuit claims Smith's son was set up in a drug sting by Huntsville Police using an 18-year-old confidential informant. The lawsuit states that at some point an officer in plain clothes ran towards Smith's son without identifying themselves. According to the court documents Smith son ran. The documents went on to say an officer threw him to the ground, cuffed him and pepper-sprayed him. The autopsy report also stated the teenager's neck was restrained.

The lawsuit claims police told paramedics the 17-year-old swallowed a bag of drugs. Smith and her lawyers contend a bag of drugs was never found in his stomach. The autopsy report also does not indicate anything unusual found in the teen's stomach.

In an effort to retrieve the alleged bag, the lawsuit claims police had to shove a sharp object into the teen's throat.

The report states, "Because of the circumstances of this event, it is difficult to discern if the decedent died from a drug overdose or an asphyxia event exacerbated by either the occlusion of the airway by the foreign object, a possible vascular occlusion associated with the neck restraint, or from a combination of all the events that transpired during this incident."

Huntsville Police also admitted two pieces of evidence to be tested. The Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences determined they were both zip-lock bags of MDMA, also know as Ecstasy.

The autopsy report was authorized by Madison County District Attorney, Rob Broussard. Broussard said that is standard practice for any case that seems out of the "usual" or is unexpected.

The autopsy report stated Smith's son was about six feet tall and weighed about 150 pounds.

The Huntsville Police Department and the Huntsville city attorney have not commented on the case.

 

[Thebobo]

nm

 

[Oldgamer]

...oops

 

[momeNt]

It would be really funny if a cop pulled over and shot somebody pointing a speed radar at them because they thought it was a weapon. It looks a lot more like a gun than a wii controller.

 

[Oldgamer]

Police Shooting Frenzy Raises Concerns

MIAMI (CBSMiami) – On December 10, more than two dozen police officers from across Miami Dade County converged on a blue Volvo that had crashed in the backyard of a townhouse on 65th Street just off 27th Avenue.
As the car was wedged helplessly between a light pole and a tree, nearly a minute passed before officers opened up – firing approximately 50 bullets at the car and the two unarmed men inside the vehicle.

The two men inside the car survived that initial volley of gunfire, according to witnesses, who said they could see the men moving inside the Volvo. Everything went quiet for nearly two minutes before the officers opened up a second time – unleashing an unrelenting torrent of bullets that lasted almost 25 seconds. By the time it was over, the two men inside the car were dead.
CBS4 News has learned a total of 23 officers fired a total of at least 377 rounds.

Bullets were sprayed everywhere. They hit the Volvo, other cars in the lot, fence posts and neighboring businesses. They blasted holes in a townhouse where a 12-year-old dove to the ground for cover and a four month old slept in his crib.

“It was like the Wild Wild West, man, crazy,” said Anthony Vandiver, who barely made it through the back door of his home before the gunfire erupted. “Shooting just wild; shooting all over the place. Bullets could have come through the window. Anything could have happened man. They weren’t thinking, they weren’t thinking at all.”

Earlier that night, the driver of the Volvo, Adrian Montesano, robbed a Walgreens at gunpoint, and then later shot Miami Dade Police Officer Saul Rodriguez in a nearby trailer park.

Montesano escaped in the officer’s patrol car eventually dumping it at his grandmother’s house in Hialeah – before fleeing in her blue Volvo
By 5 am every cop in South Florida was looking for that blue Volvo – intent on catching the man who had shot one of their own.

But what police didn’t realize before they started shooting at the Volvo is there was a second man in the car – Corsini Valdes – who had committed no crime.

And in fact, as CBS4 News was the first to report, both men inside the Volvo were unarmed at the time police caught up with them. All of the gunfire came from police.

Montesano and Valdes were killed by the dozens of rounds that tore through their bodies.

But Montesano and Valdes weren’t the only ones struck – two Miami Dade police officers were hit as well – caught in the crossfire. One officer was shot in the arm and the second was hit in the arm and grazed in the head. If the bullet had struck just a half an inch to the side the officer would have been killed.

The sound of the gunfire was deafening – literally deafening. Two Miami police officers sustained ruptured ear drums from the cacophony of shots.
CBS4 News has spent the last five months piecing together the events of that evening and the hunt for the blue Volvo. CBS4 News reviewed radio transmissions, analyzed video taken during the shooting, interviewed officials from the different agencies involved, and reviewed records related to the officers who fired their weapons.

The nature of the shooting suggests the officers lost sight of their own training and that the officers, caught up in the heat of the moment, failed to listen to their radios or coordinate their actions endangering not only their own lives but the lives of the public.

It is worth saying, none of this would have happened if Adrian Montesano had not made the decision to rob the Walgreens and shoot a police officer. None of those officers would have been in that backyard if it weren’t for the actions of Montesano. But that does not absolve the officers of responsibility for their own conduct, as well.

Senior commanders admit they are very lucky more officers weren’t seriously hurt or killed. Even more haunting is the danger the residents in the area faced. At the time of the shooting, parents were getting their kids ready for school and across the street men and women stood exposed on a Metrorail platform.

The shooting is being reviewed by both the State Attorney’s Office and the Miami Dade Police Department.

While those reviews will likely take years to complete, what is clear is the Walgreens robbery and the shooting of Officer Rodriguez sent officers across the county into a state of frenzy.

No call is more harrowing for a police officer than a report of an officer being shot. By the time police determined the shooter was Montesano and broadcast a description of the Volvo, officers from a half dozen different departments flooded into the north side of the county.
Many of the officers just seemed to be racing through the streets, according to one supervisor on the scene

“I don’t know what’s going on here,” the supervisor declared over the radio. “There are units running threes everywhere.”
A Code 3 is when police cars are travelling with lights and sirens blaring. The supervisor finally ordered the patrol units to slow down unless they were actually chasing the car.

Dispatchers and supervisors repeatedly told officers Montesano was to be considered armed and dangerous. At 6:23 am police spotted the Volvo.
“I got the Volvo, he’s going southbound on two seven avenue from 79 street,” the officer said.

“It’s going to be occupied by a white male, 5-11, 225 pounds, Adrian Montesano,” the dispatcher affirmed. “Use caution. Subject is armed.”
Unknown to the officers is that there was a second man in the car. It is still not known when Montesano picked up 50-year-old Corsini Valdes.

Montesano led police on a brief chase before busting through a fence and crashing into a tree and light pole. As officers raced in from different directions, there was a pause before that first burst of gunfire. When the shooting stops after several seconds, one of the supervisors on the scene tries to take control. He notes the car is stuck and isn’t going anywhere.
“We need to establish that perimeter, I have not verified if the subject is down or not,” he said.

Another supervisor tells officers to stay back. There is no need for any of them to get into harm’s way at this point.

“We have the vehicle confined,” he said. “The officers need to pay attention to the radios, they are not listening, okay, that’s the inner perimeter – we’re good.”

A dispatcher replies: “Units pay attention. Please listen to your radios.”
Now that the car is surrounded, the plan now is to bring in SRT – the special response team – and have them take over. But so many units have flooded the area, SRT commanders are complaining they can’t reach the scene because the streets are blocked.

“Make sure the units are not in our way so we can pull in, and they’re not blocking the whole road,” the SRT commander said.

“Any units do not block SRT,” a dispatcher

Inside his house, Anthony Vandiver, used the temporary quiet to race upstairs and check on his family. He said he looked out his bedroom window, which looked directly down onto the blue Volvo below. He said he could hear the police yelling at the men in the car.

“They were saying put your hands up, and the guys were still moving after they shot maybe 50, 60 times,” Vandiver recalled. “And the guy tried to put his hands up. And as soon as he put his hands up, it erupted again. And that was it for them. That guy tried his best to give up.”

Asked if he was certain the men in the car were trying to put their hands up, Vandiver replied: “I swear to God on everything I love, my kids my momma, everything, I seen it all.”

We may never know which officer fired the first shot or why. Did he mistakenly think he saw a gun even though neither Montesano nor Valdes had a weapon? But what is clear – once one officer fired the others joined in.

But Montesano and Valdes weren’t the only ones struck. Two Miami Dade police officers were hit as well, caught in the crossfire created when officers on three different sides of the Volvo began firing.

“Get all of the officers off to the side,” shouted one supervisor, “we’ve got to get rescue in here. There are too many officers in here, back them up.”
To avoid any more officers shot, dispatchers pass the order there is to be no more shooting

“Have all units stand down in that inner perimeter, hold it for SRT, let’s give service to that officer that’s injured right now,” an officer declared. “Get out of the way, let fire rescue get in there and let SRT take that inner perimeter.”

As the smoke cleared and the sun begins to rise officers dragged Montesano and Valdes’s bodies from the car. Although he appears dead, they decide to transport Valdes to Jackson.

Slowly neighbors came out of their homes.

“The policemen that had on the black and white vests were out there laughing like it was so funny,” said one of the neighbors, “because they got a free shot off them people. Shooting all them bullets like that, that don’t make no sense.”

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The police are supposed to be the ones who show restraint, and rationalization when others do not. They are suppose to be the peace keepers. This shows as does many other of these type shootings that these are very poorly trained officers who find this more as entertainment and an excuse to go racing through the streets in their police cruisers and get a chance to use their guns. They laughed after they did this and thought it was funny. They could have killed many more people, but luckily they only shot each other up in this case.

 

[Oldgamer]

Turns out they shoved a knife down his throat. Wow, Link to article

 

[Perknose]

Well, oof, here's one for 'ya!

Texas policeman shoots and kills a 93 year old woman brandishing a firearm at her home because her son tried to take away her car keys after she failed the driving test.

This is a pic of Pearlie Golden from more than 25 year ago:

Cop who gunned her down:

I hope there's more to this story than has been presented . . . like she fired first or at least pointed her gun directly at him and seemed ready to shoot.

Otherwise=Clusterfuck. 🙁

 

[mizzou]

I hope there's more to this story than has been presented . . . like she fired first or at least pointed her gun directly at him and seemed ready to shoot.

Otherwise=Clusterfuck. 🙁

sounds like hes fired, don't know why yet.

even if she fired into the ground... I mean wtf are you supposed to do, hope she doesn't accidentally spray you with them?

Sounds like a similar terrible incident that officers face when they come face-to-face with children and guns (or even fake guns)


EDIT: Sounds like mayor got the council to fire him...without an investigation. Wow, that just cost the taxpayers there a massive amount of legal fees. What a horrible move...

 

[waggy]

Well, oof, here's one for 'ya!

Texas policeman shoots and kills a 93 year old woman brandishing a firearm at her home because her son tried to take away her car keys after she failed the driving test.

This is a pic of Pearlie Golden from more than 25 year ago:

Cop who gunned her down:

I hope there's more to this story than has been presented . . . like she fired first or at least pointed her gun directly at him and seemed ready to shoot.

Otherwise=Clusterfuck. 🙁

she did.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/10/us/texas-fatal-shooting-officer-fired/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

the article does not say it. the video says the nephew called police because she grabbed a gun. he called police. they came and told her to drop the weapon. she didn't then she fired into the ground twice.

cops fired back.

If that's the case then it is her fault

oh and the cop was fired...unjustly i think

 

[mizzou]

oh and the cop was fired...unjustly i think

He was, and I'm curious to wonder if the council even had the authority to do such. I am not familiar with the politics there, but I know the council where I live has absolutely no authority to fire anyone who is NOT an elected official.

City loses big on this one in the long term and short term, a terrible emotional decision.

If the ballistics eval can prove the gun was fired, cya later all qualified police officers and cya later any money left in city coffers.

 

[Ackmed]

So many fucking idiots in this thread it should be alarming. But in today's time, it is about normal. The fact that this thread is here at all, and asking for a sticky just proves the point.

 

[mrjminer]

He was, and I'm curious to wonder if the council even had the authority to do such. I am not familiar with the politics there, but I know the council where I live has absolutely no authority to fire anyone who is NOT an elected official.

City loses big on this one in the long term and short term, a terrible emotional decision.

If the ballistics eval can prove the gun was fired, cya later all qualified police officers and cya later any money left in city coffers.

I think there are some cities that have a council of some sort that actually does the hiring / firing for a lot of public positions, and the leader (ie: mayor / chief / etc.) makes only recommendations. That, or they might be able to exert enough pressure to make it seem that way.

Not always, and I don't know for sure. I just remember an article not too far back about how council members from the two primarily retarded political parties are trying to use city councils to strip the powers of the elected mayors / chiefs / etc. of almost all power if they find themselves in a situation where the opposing political party controls the council. So, I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility.

Seems like she got what was coming to her to me, too.

 

[TheSiege]

If she had a gun, who gives a shit what age, race or gender she was. They are even saying she fired off her weapon. I am as liberal as most and even I think that this cop did nothing wrong. I know all the facts haven't come to light yet. But if you have a weapon and fire it around a cop, you're gonna have a bad time.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ho-fatally-shot-93-year-old-is-fired/8966087/