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One thing ive noticed is that Keith and Seabrook are being overplayed. It's true that the Flyers have 3 power lines, but you still have believe in your other 4 D-men
 
Dammit.

The playoff winning streak finally bit the Hawks in the ass. Every single game you could see them getting more and more careful, playing not to lose instead of to win.

Still - Versteeg buries that easy shot at the beginning of OT and the series is over.

Hopefully the real Hawks show up next game.
 
After another night of missed blatant penalties on the Flyers, power plays is the last thing Hawks fans want to think about right now.

The Hawks and the fans just have to suck it up and deal with two facts:

1) Somebody, somewhere, decided that to keep it a series the decision had to be made made to let many penalties against the Flyers go, especially of the interference variety.

2) Pronger can do whatever he wants.

I still think the Hawks will win.
 
Well the Toews Kane Buff line is getting shutdown hard, so they'd have to rely on their 2nd and 3rd line for offense. On the flipside Philly has 3 evenly skilled lines that CaochQ is playing Keith and Seabrook with. He's over playing them.
 
One of the reasons the line is getting shut down is because Kane gets interfered with all game long. His skating makes that line go.

I think maybe Q moves Hossa up to the first line next game? We'll see.
 
I was ready to throw stuff at my screen when I kept seeing the hawks foul. They really need to stop giving the flyers opportunity to score on a power play...
 
Via said:
After another night of missed blatant penalties on the Flyers, power plays is the last thing Hawks fans want to think about right now.

The Hawks and the fans just have to suck it up and deal with two facts:

1) Somebody, somewhere, decided that to keep it a series the decision had to be made made to let many penalties against the Flyers go, especially of the interference variety.

2) Pronger can do whatever he wants.

I still think the Hawks will win.
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Statistically speaking, Philly has a 6.06% chance of winning the Cup (2/33) after dropping the first two to the Hawks. The Hawks will be humongous chokers if they don't win the Cup as heavy favorites; if Philly loses it won't matter because they already exceeded expectations as the underdog and made million to one odds history vs Boston.

Well, what about the penalty on Carcillo? And the three called on Chicago were absolutely blatant (1 Hossa and 2 on Buff), interference is not as cut and dried. Although you could argue that Tikkonen should have gotten a matching penalty on the one on Buff that ended the after the first period.

All in all, if the Hawks don't wake up on the PP in Game 4 they could be in deep sht. Give credit to Richards, Pronger, and Tikkonen for outstanding PKing as the 27 of 28 is proof.

"2) Pronger can do whatever he wants." This is pretty much true, I think he gets the benefit of the doubt with the refs since he's a superstar. This is nothing new, as we've seen superstars like Crosby and Thornton get away with shenanigans. I think Pronger's borderline crushing hit on Kane that knocked his helmet off could have been called, as well as cross checking on Buff. Buff can't let it get to him like he did with the slashing penalty that led to a PP goal and injected life into the Flyers.
 
Via said:
One of the reasons the line is getting shut down is because Kane gets interfered with all game long. His skating makes that line go.

I think maybe Q moves Hossa up to the first line next game? We'll see.
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I haven't seen any interference. TBH i think that hit by Carcillo was clean. I didn't see any need for a penalty on that.
 
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20103ALLAASAll&sort=penaltyMinutes&viewName=summary

Proof that Carcillo should NOT be in the lineup. Please bench this guy Lav.

This blog has a good summary of Carcillo's fckups in the first 2 games:
http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ckhawks-survive-carcillo-and-flyers-pressure/

The best was last night when Carcillo tried to skate with the puck behind the net after receiving a pass ahead of the defense and faceplanted after tripping over himself. /facepalm
 
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1) Somebody, somewhere, decided that to keep it a series the decision had to be made made to let many penalties against the Flyers go, especially of the interference variety.
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Give me a break. Refs make bad calls, and they often benefit one team more than the other. Conspiracy theories like this are beyond idiotic.

SP33Demon said:
Statistically speaking, Philly has a 6.06% chance of winning the Cup (2/33) after dropping the first two to the Hawks. The Hawks will be humongous chokers if they don't win the Cup as heavy favorites; if Philly loses it won't matter because they already exceeded expectations as the underdog and made million to one odds history vs Boston.
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Statistically speaking, a hockey game is not a random event. Statistics about what happened in the past are interesting, but the two teams control the outcome of the series. It's crazy (and not at all accurate) to say they have a 6.06% chance of winning the Cup right now. They have a pretty good chance.

If Philly loses it will matter - it'll make me very happy. 😉
 
mugs said:
Give me a break. Refs make bad calls, and they often benefit one team more than the other. Conspiracy theories like this are beyond idiotic.



Statistically speaking, a hockey game is not a random event. Statistics about what happened in the past are interesting, but the two teams control the outcome of the series. It's crazy (and not at all accurate) to say they have a 6.06% chance of winning the Cup right now. They have a pretty good chance.

If Philly loses it will matter - it'll make me very happy. 😉
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You just go ahead believing that, if it makes you happy.
 
mugs said:
Statistically speaking, a hockey game is not a random event. Statistics about what happened in the past are interesting, but the two teams control the outcome of the series. It's crazy (and not at all accurate) to say they have a 6.06% chance of winning the Cup right now. They have a pretty good chance.

If Philly loses it will matter - it'll make me very happy. 😉
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Well history usually repeats itself through probability which is why bookies make money. Not with this year's Flyers though. If they come back to win it after making history in Boston and beating 6% odd down 0-2 to the 3rd best team in the NHL, they would have to be crowned one of, if not the best underdog Stanley Cup champion... ever. Barry Melrose said he thought this is the most resilient team he has ever seen and we'll see what happens Friday night.

The odds say you'll be happy because the Flyers will most likely lose. But what will you do if Philly becomes the greatest underdog champion in Stanley Cup history? Probably cry.

It's hard not to root for this blue collar, underdog team that just won't quit. They wear practice Tshirts that say "Relentless" and act like they always have a chance despite finishing 19th in the League this year and: losing both superstar wingers to broken feet in the first round, losing their heart and soul defenseman to a bruised brain blocking a shot, and losing their starting goalie in the 2nd round. Disney has nothing on this year's Flyers.
 
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Question: My sister has Dish Network and can't watch the games because Versus isn't in their package. Is there anyplace she could go online and watch the next game? Or should I just suggest to her that her best bet is to go to a sports bar and watch it there?
 
Dominato3r said:
One thing ive noticed is that Keith and Seabrook are being overplayed. It's true that the Flyers have 3 power lines, but you still have believe in your other 4 D-men
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That is true, it looks like Keith and Seabrook need a breather at times. Not to mention that 3 of 4 of Philly's PP goals came against them.
 
SP33Demon said:
Well history usually repeats itself through probability which is why bookies make money. Not with this year's Flyers though. If they come back to win it after making history in Boston and beating 6% odd down 0-2 to the 3rd best team in the NHL, they would have to be crowned one of, if not the best underdog Stanley Cup champion... ever. Barry Melrose said he thought this is the most resilient team he has ever seen and we'll see what happens Friday night.

The odds say you'll be happy because the Flyers will most likely lose. But what will you do if Philly becomes the greatest underdog champion in Stanley Cup history? Probably cry.

It's hard not to root for this blue collar, underdog team that just won't quit. They wear practice Tshirts that say "Relentless" and act like they always have a chance despite finishing 19th in the League this year and: losing both superstar wingers to broken feet in the first round, losing their heart and soul defenseman to a bruised brain blocking a shot, and losing their starting goalie in the 2nd round. Disney has nothing on this year's Flyers.
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Bookies make money by ensuring that they take half of their bets on each team, not by predicting who will win.

I won't cry if the Flyers win the Stanley Cup. 😀 I've already gotten to watch my team win it three times, I just enjoy watching the disappointment of Philadelphia fans. And I've gotten to see plenty of that too, with only one major sport national championship in the last 25 years after coming sooooo close so many times.

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I guess that sounds like sour grapes, but I grew up in NJ and went to school in PA, so I heard all kinds of crap about our sports teams and the state in general. Plus, we're rivals in football and hockey.

I respect the Flyers for what they've accomplished this year.
 
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mugs said:
Bookies make money by ensuring that they take half of their bets on each team, not by predicting who will win.

I won't cry if the Flyers win the Stanley Cup. 😀 I've already gotten to watch my team win it three times, I just enjoy watching the disappointment of Philadelphia fans. And I've gotten to see plenty of that too, with only one major sport national championship in the last 25 years after coming sooooo close so many times.
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Yeah it does suck coming so close as a Philly fan but most of the time Philly is the underdog. Like last year's World Series, noone expected the Phillies to beat a team (NYY) that spent 85% more. This year's Flyers, noone expected them to even make the playoffs and they got in on the last day on their final shootout shot. We expect them to lose, if they win the Cup it would be the most improbable champion in the history of the city (and NHL).

Even in losing there are already huge revelations these playoffs: Richards posting better numbers than Bobby Clarke which answered any questions about him, Leighton's meteoric rise, emergence of rookie Giroux as a possible future superstar, Brierre's resurgence from mediocracy, Hartnell's performances that show he needs to be resigned, so on and so forth. These Flyers are already heroes, winning the Cup would make them gods.
 
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