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Official NHL playoffs 2012 thread

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The Preds have been my pick out of the Western Conference for some time. The Wings are a good team, but Nashville really has it - especially since Radulov came back. St. Louis is great with a sub-2.00 GAA, but I think Rinne matches them and the Preds have more offensive upside and a better back 6.

The East is going to be brutal. I'm a big Flyers fan, but my biases aside, each series features two teams beating the shit out of each other. There is no soft euro shit in the East. The Rangers are still the best team in the conference, but I do think the ECF comes down to them and the winner of the Flyers-Pens series. Boston hasn't looked good in a long time, Florida, Washington and NJ don't belong in the playoffs. Ottawa actually does have the Rags' number in the regular season, but the Rangers are just too good for them.

I still think that if the West winner is either Nashville or St. Louis, that's your Cup winner there. The Rangers (my East pick) will be too beat up, and in any case, too lacking in offense to win.

I really think the division winners getting the top 3 seeds is ridiculous anymore. The top 3 teams, by points, came out of the Atlantic. The playoffs would be a lot better if it was NYR, PIT, PHL as the top seeds.
 
sjwaste said:
The Preds have been my pick out of the Western Conference for some time. The Wings are a good team, but Nashville really has it - especially since Radulov came back. St. Louis is great with a sub-2.00 GAA, but I think Rinne matches them and the Preds have more offensive upside and a better back 6.

The East is going to be brutal. I'm a big Flyers fan, but my biases aside, each series features two teams beating the shit out of each other. There is no soft euro shit in the East. The Rangers are still the best team in the conference, but I do think the ECF comes down to them and the winner of the Flyers-Pens series. Boston hasn't looked good in a long time, Florida, Washington and NJ don't belong in the playoffs. Ottawa actually does have the Rags' number in the regular season, but the Rangers are just too good for them.

I still think that if the West winner is either Nashville or St. Louis, that's your Cup winner there. The Rangers (my East pick) will be too beat up, and in any case, too lacking in offense to win.

I really think the division winners getting the top 3 seeds is ridiculous anymore. The top 3 teams, by points, came out of the Atlantic. The playoffs would be a lot better if it was NYR, PIT, PHL as the top seeds.
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So one whole point separates the "don't belong in the playoffs" (Devils) from "should be a top 3 seed" (Flyers)? That's hilarious. Devils aren't one of the elite teams in the east this year, but that's just insulting.
 
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sjwaste said:
The Preds have been my pick out of the Western Conference for some time. The Wings are a good team, but Nashville really has it - especially since Radulov came back. St. Louis is great with a sub-2.00 GAA, but I think Rinne matches them and the Preds have more offensive upside and a better back 6.

The East is going to be brutal. I'm a big Flyers fan, but my biases aside, each series features two teams beating the shit out of each other. There is no soft euro shit in the East. The Rangers are still the best team in the conference, but I do think the ECF comes down to them and the winner of the Flyers-Pens series. Boston hasn't looked good in a long time, Florida, Washington and NJ don't belong in the playoffs. Ottawa actually does have the Rags' number in the regular season, but the Rangers are just too good for them.

I still think that if the West winner is either Nashville or St. Louis, that's your Cup winner there. The Rangers (my East pick) will be too beat up, and in any case, too lacking in offense to win.

I really think the division winners getting the top 3 seeds is ridiculous anymore. The top 3 teams, by points, came out of the Atlantic. The playoffs would be a lot better if it was NYR, PIT, PHL as the top seeds.
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Fuck that shit man.

The NHL playoffs blow, the problem of course being that if you coach a defence first trapping team like Nashville, LA, St. Louis, or LA, you can effectively take a mediocre and boring team and beat a team that plays a style which is GOOD FOR THE GAME.

God forbid we end up with Phoenix, LA, Nashville and St. Louis in the West Semis, kill me now.
 
Wow, Wings first time out of the playoffs.

In retrospect, I think going on that tear during the middle of the season, and setting home win record messed them up. Made them think they were better than they actually are.
 
i sort of want to see florida beat the devils just for the hell of it

and because pretty much any win brodeur gets at this point is going to include 1 or more record settings events
 
bguile said:
Wow, Wings first time out of the playoffs.

In retrospect, I think going on that tear during the middle of the season, and setting home win record messed them up. Made them think they were better than they actually are.
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It was the month+ of injuries that killed them. Howard was playing extremely well before his injury, never played that well after he came back.
 
Wordplay said:
The Wings have two more years with Bert and too many years left with Mule. :'(

We can get rid of Hudler now but we might lose Stuart and Lidstrom.

Next year the Wings will be lucky to make it into the playoffs IMO.
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I don't have a problem with Huddler, he is what he is. We better hear that Franzen was hurt or he better lose some weight ala Bertuzzi so he can skate better because there were times he looked like he was out for a morning skate on a pond.

Datsyuk never looked the same after mid-season operation. Plus too, the the loss of Eaves, Helm, and Cleary's lack of knees made him play the penalty kill far too much and he looked tired out there. Lidstrom couldn't even kill penalties with his broken wheel.

They were all hurt too much to play through it and the reason is that they've gotten older. They do have some hard choices to make this off-season.

Now, as for Nashville. Congrats. You guys played some suffocating team defense. I don't know if I saw someone out of position more than a couple of times all series. Rinne is a stud.
 
KK said:
thats bs, way too excessive for that hit.
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I'm actually fine with it on its own, but when you compare it to the other suspensions given out lately it's way too much.

How that is worth 25 when Duncan Keith got 5 is beyond me.
 
Tweak155 said:
Agreed. Only thing I can think that played into it is Torres' previous history. Even then... what 10 games?
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i think 5 is the minimum at which its going to hurt him, and 10 is what i expected

kinda wish theyd go overboard a little more often and get the point across: cut this shit out, people.

really surprised by 25, wow.
 
I think they just want to ensure he can't play the rest of this postseason. Probably nothing more to it than that, unless suspensions carry over into next season?
 
Should the 25 games not be served by the conclusion of the 2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs, the remaining games of the suspension will carry over into the following regular season. Torres will be prohibited from playing in any preseason games until he has served this 25-game suspension (playoff and regular-season games).

Should the suspension carry over to next season, because he is classified as a repeat offender under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, Torres will forfeit $21,341.46 in salary for every regular-season game in which he is ineligible to play.
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^^^

He's dirty scum with a past of intentionally targeting the head. Well deserved vacation for him.
 
n7 said:
^^^

He's dirty scum with a past of intentionally targeting the head. Well deserved vacation for him.
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Agreed. And as it's looking more likely that the Preds will face Phoenix in the next round, I'm glad he won't be available to shank someone with his skate.
 
n7 said:
^^^

He's dirty scum with a past of intentionally targeting the head. Well deserved vacation for him.
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I agree.

I am amazed its 25 games. i was expecting 5. though he will appeal it and it will get knocked down.

but wow.
 
Fingolfin269 said:
I think they just want to ensure he can't play the rest of this postseason. Probably nothing more to it than that, unless suspensions carry over into next season?
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It can and will carry over to next season. He won't be able to play any pre-season games, but they won't count towards the suspension.

I think they picked 25 to make sure he doesn't play this year (25 would cover all games if they play 7/series through to the SC final).
 
Jeffg010 said:
That hit was the same type of hit that Neil did but Neil's guy came back into the game. It looks to me that they base the amount of suspended games on how bad you hurt a guy. The NHL does not have real grasp on this. 25 games was over board. If they truly want to get rid of this type of play then they need to be consistent.

Here is a link to Shanahan explanation.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...-25-games-putting-marian-hossa-170202850.html
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injury is taken into account, but i agree with you. its sort of acceptable if you made a shitty hit and the guy was ok, but its really not at all acceptable if you made a shitty hit and sent the guy to the hospital? you performed the same action, you should get the same punishment regardless of whether or not someone is injured if the league wants that sort of play to end.

they also based it on his past history.
 
Jeffg010 said:
That hit was the same type of hit that Neil did but Neil's guy came back into the game. It looks to me that they base the amount of suspended games on how bad you hurt a guy. The NHL does not have real grasp on this. 25 games was over board. If they truly want to get rid of this type of play then they need to be consistent.

Here is a link to Shanahan explanation.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...-25-games-putting-marian-hossa-170202850.html
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Neil's was way later too. The Torres hit was apparently .83 seconds after Hossa passed the puck. I don't know if anyone has timed the Neil/Couturier hit, but it looked to me like it was ~2 seconds. The differences were Neil is a better player than Torres, Hossa is a star veteran while Couturier is a rookie, and Couturier got up right after.

Torres has done this in the past a lot, but he's never intended to injure someone away from the play from what I can see, and all of his suspensions have come because he went a little over the line on an otherwise clean play.
 
I swear... if the Rangers and Bruins lose their series AND Pittsburgh comes back to beat the Flyers... I won't be much fun to talk with for the next decade.
 
RbSX said:
Fuck that shit man.

The NHL playoffs blow, the problem of course being that if you coach a defence first trapping team like Nashville, LA, St. Louis, or LA, you can effectively take a mediocre and boring team and beat a team that plays a style which is GOOD FOR THE GAME.

God forbid we end up with Phoenix, LA, Nashville and St. Louis in the West Semis, kill me now.
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Not sure if serious...
 
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