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Bettman's response to Goodenow

TSN.ca Staff
2/15/2005

The following is the second letter NHL commissioner Gary Bettman sent to NHLPA Executive Director Bob Goodenow on Tuesday.

Dear Bob:

It was disappointing to receive the fax of your "final" offer.

We would have been prepared to propose and negotiate over a "de-linked" maximum team salary sooner, but the NHLPA had been consistent in stating that the players would never accept a salary cap. We only learned in the mediation process on Sunday that you would entertain such an offer, which is why we asked for a meeting yesterday and made the "de-linked" proposal.

If every team spent to the $49 million level you have proposed, total player compensation would exceed what we spent last season and, assuming for discussion purposes, there was no damage to the game, our player compensation costs would exceed 75% of revenues. We cannot afford your proposal.

Our offer of earlier today was a $75 million increase over the offer we made yesterday. I hope you will accept it, and that we can move forward and negotiate the myriad of other issues that need to be addressed.

Sincerely,
Gary B. Bettman
Commissioner

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Bettman rejects latest NHLPA offer

TSN.ca/CP
2/15/2005

NEW YORK (CP) - It took less than an hour for the NHL to reject an NHL Players' Association counter-proposal to end the lockout Tuesday night.

Commissioner Gary Bettman's rejection left just hours for the two sides to resolve their differences before his scheduled 1 p.m. EST Wednesday news conference to cancel the season if an agreement is not in place.

Bettman advised association executive-director Bob Goodenow in a four-paragraph response just before 11 p.m. EST Tuesday that the league simply can't afford the content of the counter-proposal.

Less than an hour earlier, the NHLPA had rejected the NHL's ''final offer'' and responded with a plan featuring a $49-million US team-by-team salary cap, down $3 million from its previous offer. Goodenow took just over four hours to turn down the league's offer of a $42.5-million salary cap, an offer Bettman warned did not warrant further negotiations.

''We wish that the NHL had offered a `no linkage proposal before yesterday so that negotiations in that arena could have commenced sooner,'' Goodenow wrote in a letter to Bettman. ''However, we recognize that they did not and we agree that time is short.

''In that spirit, and in a final attempt to reach an agreement, we are adjusting our offer of yesterday in two respects.''

But Bettman wasn't biting.

''If every team spent to the $49-million level you have proposed, total player compensation would exceed what we spent last season and, assuming for discussion purposes, there was no damage to the game, our player compensation costs would exceed 75 per cent of revenues,'' he stated in his reply at about 11 p.m. EST. ''We cannot afford your proposal.

''Our offer of earlier (Tuesday) was a $75-million increase over the offer we made (Monday). I hope you will accept it, and that we can move forward and negotiate the myriad of other issues that need to be addressed.''

The association's counter-proposal, aside from dropping the cap to $49 million, also restructed the exception provision so that teams can only go over the cap twice during the six-year term and ''for up to only 10 per cent over the limit of $49 million (to $53.9 million), at the tax rate of 150 per cent.''

The rest of the luxury tax would work like this: 25 per cent on $40 million-$43 million, 50 per cent on $43 million-$46 million and 75 per cent from $46 million-$49 million. The deal also included a minimum payroll of $25 million.

Goodenow ended his letter by stating to Bettman: ''I can be reached at the usual phone numbers.''

The league's final offer featured a $42.5-million cap, with a luxury tax of 50 per cent on payrolls from $34 million to $42.5 million.

Bettman said it was as good it got and had given the union until 11 a.m. EST Wednesday to accept it.

''This offer is not an invitation to begin negotiations - it's too late for that,'' Bettman wrote in a letter to Goodenow. ''This is our last effort to make a deal that's fair to the players and one that the clubs (hopefully) can afford.

''We have no more flexibility and there is no time for further negotiation.'' He was true to his word, and the clock is ticking down to 1 p.m. EST Wednesday when Bettman is expected to cancel the season barring an agreement.

Offers from both sides during the last two days included a salary rollback of 24 per cent on all existing player contracts.

The NHLPA's previous offer Monday allowed provisions for teams to spend as much as 10 per cent more than that on three occasions in a six-year period. The luxury tax worked at 25 per cent on $40 million-$44 million; 50 per cent on $44 million-$48 million; 75 per cent on $48 million-$52 million; and 150 per cent on $52 million-$57.2 million.

The league's $42.5-million salary cap would be the figure for all six years of the new collective bargaining agreement.

Counting the 24 per cent rollback, four teams are currently over the $42.5-million figure and that's before signing any free agents. Detroit ($43.38 million), New Jersey ($46.32 million), Philadelphia ($50 million) and Toronto ($46.6 million) would be over. Dallas ($40.77 million) and Colorado ($40.27 million) would be on the bubble without signing anyone else.

The average team payroll last season, adding the salary rollback, would have been $33.95 million.

So the NHL's deal would definitely have a salary drag on the big spenders, but yet not to the point where owners would get ''cost certainty'' because the league dropped its long-standing demand of a fixed link between player costs and revenues.

''I know, as do you, that the `deal' we can make will only get worse for the players if we cancel the season - whatever damage we have suffered to date will pale in comparison to the damage from a cancelled season and we will certainly not be able to afford what is presently on the table,'' Bettman wrote in a familiar refrain used in recent weeks - basically a threat.

''Accordingly, I am making one final effort to reach out to make a deal that will let us play this season.''

The league counter-offer came around supper time on a tense day where facts were few but opinions were plentiful.

It appeared the door leading to a possible solution had finally started to open following a Monday night revelation that the NHLPA had changed direction at the final turn and offered to play under a $52-million salary cap.

The league, meanwhile, moved by proposing a $40-million salary cap with no ''linkage'' to revenue.

Each side rejected the other's offer but a major buzz was created in the hockey world. The last-minute change in negotiating strategy represents a quantum leap for both sides. The players have insisted a salary cap was a non-starter while the league has built its case around so-called cost certainty - linking player costs to revenue.

''The buzzwords are off the table now, it's a business discussion now not a philosophical argument and that's good,'' Devils GM Lou Lamoriello said from New Jersey.

Flyers player rep Robert Esche applauded the Monday developments.

''I'm sure not everybody is happy out there. I'm sure there's some players not happy with a hard cap and some owners not happy at not having linkage,'' he said. But, hey, it's a give-and-take world. Now it seems we're just down to numbers.''

Monday's unexpected development probably surprised and unsettled many on each side. But the fact that both felt the pinch may also signify the two sides have finally found an area of compromise.

''Am I excited about a salary cap? No. But it's about trying to get a deal done,'' said Calgary star Jarome Iginla.

Richard Peddie, president and CEO of Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment, deflected a question about what the owners had given up by taking the linkage issue off the table.

''All I can tell you is that we've been kept apprised and we'd really like to play hockey this year,'' he said. ''But it has to be the right deal, even for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Even our revenues are drying up, believe it or not. We want a deal that's also good for the Leafs.''

Even if it is too late to save the season, the change in positions may still set the stage for a settlement that could pave the way for the entry draft and a more normal off-season.

Jay McKee, the Buffalo Sabres defenceman, was concerned about how much harm a five-month-long lockout has had on the sport and its fan base.

''It's not so much that I'm angry that they offered a cap. I'm angry that why now?'' McKee said. ''Why not last June, last July?''

The surprising developments came during a secret meeting Monday in Niagara Falls, N.Y., between NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin and NHL executive vice-president Bill Daly.

Daly began the process by offering his cap figure without a fixed link between player costs and league revenues. The union countered Monday with the $52-million salary cap per team and its rollback of 24 per cent on existing salaries.

The Philadelphia Inquirer and others reported Tuesday that Flyers centre Jeremy Roenick, along with Iginla, St. Louis's Chris Pronger and others, urged the union leaders to put a cap with no linkage on the table in a bid to save the season.

''I was involved with a group of NHL players who were trying to get to as many people as possible to come on board with a resolution that works for both sides,'' Roenick told the Inquirer. ''The proposal has to have a number that is not tied to revenues.''

But Iginla played down any role he may have had.

''I have talked to Pronger and Roenick but also to many guys around the league, because we're interested in what's going down,'' he told CP. ''But ultimately, it's the committee that's doing all this, not me. If people ask me my opinion, I'll give it, and I have.''

Iginla and Esche both shot down other reports saying the group of players actually had a proposal for the league.

The Monday developments could also have a major impact on the league's ability to declare legal impasse down the road if there's no deal and the season is cancelled. The union could perhaps argue to the U.S. National Labor Relations Board that there is no impasse in talks because the philosophical issue of a salary cap is no longer the deal-breaker.

The NHL is hoping to avoid becoming the first major professional league in North America to cancel a season from beginning to end.

''I'm extremely concerned,'' said Flyers captain Keith Primeau. ''The biggest thing that disturbs me is everyone's true misunderstanding of the fan base. You hear how certain people believe that the hardcore fan will definitely return, that the damage isn't irreparable.

''I think that's a huge miscalculation or judgment in error of who and what your fan base is. That, I think, is going to alarm a lot of people when the doors are re-opened.''

Through Tuesday, 834 of the 1,230 regular-season games have gone by the wayside.

If an agreement can still be reached, the league has a shortened schedule ready to go that would see teams play 28 regular-season games, playing only within their conference. The playoffs would stay the same.

''We probably could've gotten this thing done in the summertime,'' Chicago forward Matthew Barnaby said. ''Am I mad? No. I want to get back to work. But at the same time, I'm just a little disappointed that it went this far to play poker and to have someone call your bluff.''

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Just end the season, go to the labor relations board, and install a new CBA exactly how the league wants it. The players had their chance to realize there would be a cap no matter what and negotiate the best deal for themselves theycould get. They missed that chance. Bring on the new CBA and replacement players.

You would think some of these players would realize that they are not going to be the most talented players forever...there are plenty of talented young kids on the way up that will do just fine.
 
Originally posted by: rh71
We can see the demise of the union stronghold... I hope the NHLPA will fold after this is over.

Yah, interesting how the PA agreed to a salary cap (thank god... at least they are being realistic)

Just a week ago it looked like the lockout would last 2 seasons.
 
Latest:
Dear Gary,

This is in reply to your most recent letter.

1. Your claim that the Clubs ?cannot afford? our proposal is based on your hypothetical fear of what would happen ?if every team spent to the $49 million level the Players have proposed?. The notion that ?every Club? will spend at the $49 million level is contradicted by years of actual payroll experience under the old CBA system and by Exhibit 12 of your December 14 document (attached for your recollection), in which you projected 24 teams well below the $49 million level after the rollback. Further, this experience is based on an environment without revenue sharing, taxes on team payrolls and the numerous new system restrictions.

2. Based on your own calculations from Exhibit 12, over 21 Clubs are spending significantly less than your team payroll limit number of $42.5 million. I am at a loss to understand how you suggest your offer earlier today represents a $75 million dollar increase when it only impacts the spending of nine teams!

You will receive nothing further from us.

Regards,

NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE
PLAYERS? ASSOCIATION

Robert W. Goodenow
Executive Director & General Counsel
 
McKenzie: I don't see any hope

TSN.ca Staff
2/16/2005

Quite frankly, I just don't see any hope for a season.

You always allow for a possibility of a miracle, that infinitesimally small percentage point that maybe something will happen at the last second to save the season, but logic would dictate otherwise.

There is a huge gap here. The NHL proposed a $42.5 million hard cap vs. the NHLPA proposal of a $49 million soft cap that could be as much as $53.9 million depending on the circumstances.

Those are big numbers to crunch. Right now, I don't see the NHLPA making the move to $42.5 and I don't see the NHL making the move from $42.5 to anything - maybe $43 or $44 million. When you put it in that context, where do we go?

Nowhere.

The facts are the facts. When NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman publicly stated that he wasn't willing to go any higher than $42.5 million on a hard salary cap and with that they still feel like they're extending themselves, for me that was a signal that that's it. He's not going to negotiate that number and we're not going to have a season, unless the players agree to that.

It certainly doesn't look as though that is going to happen.

It looks like a numerical argument now. The average person at home is saying ''let me get this straight, the NHL wants a $42.5 million hard cap and the Players Association proposed a $49 million cap. Are you telling me that a $6.5 million difference per team is going to be the thing that kills the season?''

Yes it is. Those are bigger numbers than they look. If you multiply $6.5 million times 30 teams means we're almost talking about $200 million. On top of that, the $49 million that the NHLPA proposed is a soft cap. They have two exceptions in six years that would allow teams to go 10% over the cap. So as far as the NHLPA is concerned, the real hard cap - at least twice - for each team would be $53.9 million. The NHL feels overextended at $42.5 million. That's a big difference and it's a difference that doesn't look like it's going to get breeched.

It's sad to say but the time for creativity has passed. On Valentine's Day, the two sides finally got together and decided to make up. The league came off linkage and the NHLPA agreed to a salary cap. With the spectre of the season going down the drain they finally started to negotiate. Where the heck were they six months ago?

It has been a bizarre, dysfunctional process from the get go. While it's hard to predict what will happen down the road, I'm sure that the Harvard Law School, business schools and journalism schools will take what's happened over the past year between the NHL and the NHLPA, and I guarantee that there will be case studies and books written about this very bizarre process.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
NHL, NHLPA separated by $6.5 million

Canadian Press
2/15/2005

NEW YORK (CP) - The NHL season will be cancelled Wednesday unless the league and the NHL Players' Association can find a way to bridge a $6.5-million US gap in their salary cap proposals.

Despite a crazy 48 hours which saw both sides in the labour talks break down barriers that had existed for more than two years, the season may still go down the tubes at a 1 p.m. EST news conference with commissioner Gary Bettman.

''Given the distinction that exists at midnight (Tuesday), to allow our industry to lose a season would be criminal,'' said a veteran agent who requested anonymity, pointing to the relatively small gap remaining between the two sides.

The league took less than an hour to reject the NHLPA's offer of a $49-million team-by-team salary cap Tuesday night, sticking to the $42.5-million submission it made earlier in the evening.

''If every team spent to the $49-million level you have proposed, total player compensation would exceed what we spent last season and, assuming for discussion purposes, there was no damage to the game, our player compensation costs would exceed 75 per cent of revenues,'' Bettman wrote in his second letter of the day to NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow. ''We cannot afford your proposal.

''Our offer of earlier (Tuesday) was a $75-million increase over the offer we made (Monday). I hope you will accept it, and that we can move forward and negotiate the myriad of other issues that need to be addressed.''

After that rejection, Goodenow fired a letter back at Bettman just after midnight.

''Your claim that the clubs cannot afford our proposal is based on your hypothetical fear of what would happen ''if every team spent to the $49-million leve the players have proposed,''' wrote Goodenow. ''The notion that every club will spend at the $49-million level is contradicted by years of actual payroll experience under the old CBA system . . .''

Goodenow ended on an ominous note.

''You willl receive nothing further from us,'' he wrote.

Ted Saskin, his right-hand man, was more outspoken.

''It was Gary's choice at crunch time to refuse engaging in any negotiation and instead hide behind a series of ludicrous hypothetical fears to completely mischaracterize the impact of what we had proposed,'' Saskin said. ''Gary's actions (Tuesday) put the lie to months of NHL rhetoric about how much flexibility they would have in a financial negotiation once certain philosophical differences could be set to the side.'' Industry sources insist the magic cap number would be $45 million, and that may yet find its way into another offer before this is all over.

Goodenow had taken just over four hours to turn down the league's offer of a $42.5-million salary cap, an offer Bettman warned did not warrant further negotiations.

''We wish that the NHL had offered a `no linkage' proposal before (Monday) so that negotiations in that arena could have commenced sooner,'' Goodenow wrote in a letter to Bettman. ''However, we recognize that they did not and we agree that time is short.

''In that spirit, and in a final attempt to reach an agreement, we are adjusting our offer of (Monday) in two respects.''

Bettman's four-paragraph response was quick to find the union head office in Toronto.

''It was disappointing to receive the fax of your `final' offer,'' Bettman wrote.

The commissioner had warned the NHLPA not to try and re-negotiate the league's final offer, but he may regret the damning tone in his letter. The take-it-or-leave-it approach was surely not a big hit with players.

The league has given the association until 11 a.m. EST Wednesday to accept its final offer, one which featured a $42.5-million cap, with a luxury tax of 50 per cent on payrolls from $34 million to $42.5 million.

''This offer is not an invitation to begin negotiations - it's too late for that,'' Bettman wrote Goodenow. ''This is our last effort to make a deal that's fair to the players and one that the clubs (hopefully) can afford.

''We have no more flexibility and there is no time for further negotiation.''

Offers from both sides in the last two days included a salary rollback of 24 per cent on all existing player contracts and covered six full seasons.

Aside from dropping its cap figure from $52 million to $49 million on Tuesday night, the union also restructured the exception provision so that teams can only go over the cap twice during the six-year term and ''for up to only 10 per cent over the limit of $49 million (to $53.9 million), at the tax rate of 150 per cent.''

The rest of the luxury tax would worked like this: 25 per cent on $40 million-$43 million, 50 per cent on $43 million-$46 million and 75 per cent from $46 million-$49 million. The deal also included a minimum payroll of $25 million.

The NHLPA's previous offer Monday allowed provisions for teams to spend as much as 10 per cent more than that on three occasions in a six-year period. The luxury tax worked at 25 per cent on $40 million-$44 million; 50 per cent on $44 million-$48 million; 75 per cent on $48 million-$52 million and 150 per cent on $52 million-$57.2 million.

The league's $42.5-million salary cap would be the figure for all six years of the new collective bargaining agreement.

Counting the rollback of 24 per cent, four teams are currently over the $42.5-million figure and that's before signing any free agents. Detroit ($43.38 million), New Jersey ($46.32 million), Philadelphia ($50 million) and Toronto ($46.6 million) would be over. Dallas ($40.77 million) and Colorado ($40.27 million) would be on the bubble without signing anyone else.

The average team payroll last season, adding the salary rollback, would have been $33.95 million.

So, the NHL's deal would definitely have a salary drag on the big spenders, but yet not to the point where owners would get ''cost certainty'' because the league dropped its long-standing demand of a fixed link between player costs and revenues.

''I know, as do you, that the `deal' we can make will only get worse for the players if we cancel the season - whatever damage we have suffered to date will pale in comparison to the damage from a cancelled season and we will certainly not be able to afford what is presently on the table,'' Bettman wrote to Goodenow.

''Accordingly, I am making one final effort to reach out to make a deal that will let us play this season.''

The league offer Tuesday came around supper time. It appeared the door leading to a possible solution had finally started to open following the Monday night revelation that the NHLPA had changed direction at the final turn and offered to play under a $52-million salary cap. The league, meanwhile, moved by proposing a $40-million salary cap with no ''linkage'' to revenue.

Each side rejected the other's offer but a major buzz was created in the hockey world. The last-minute change in negotiating strategy represents a quantum leap for both sides. The players have insisted a salary cap was a non-starter while the league has built its case around so-called cost certainty - linking player costs to revenue.

''The buzzwords are off the table now, it's a business discussion now not a philosophical argument and that's good,'' Devils GM Lou Lamoriello said from New Jersey.

Flyers player rep Robert Esche said the surprising compromise was welcomed.

''I'm sure not everybody is happy out there. I'm sure there's some players not happy with a hard cap and some owners not happy at not having linkage,'' he said. ''But, hey, it's a give-and-take world. Now it seems we're just down to numbers.''

The unexpected developments Monday probably surprised and unsettled many on each side.

''Am I excited about a salary cap? No,'' said Calgary star Jarome Iginla. ''But it's about trying to get a deal done.''

Richard Peddie, president and CEO of Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment, deflected a question about what the owners had given up by taking the linkage issue off the table.

''All I can tell you is that we've been kept apprised and we'd really like to play hockey this year,'' he said. ''But it has to be the right deal, even for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

''Even our revenues are drying up, believe it or not. We want a deal that's also good for the Leafs.''

Even if it is too late to save the season, the change in positions may still set the stage for a settlement that could pave the way for the entry draft and a more normal offseason.

The whirlwind exchange of salary cap offers began during a secret meeting Monday in Niagara Falls, N.Y., between Saskin, the NHLPA's senior director, and NHL executive vice-president Bill Daly.

The Philadelphia Inquirer and others reported Tuesday that Flyers centre Jeremy Roenick, along with Iginla, St. Louis's Chris Pronger and others, urged the union leaders to put a cap with no linkage on the table in a bid to save the season.

''I was involved with a group of NHL players who were trying to get to as many people as possible to come on board with a resolution that works for both sides,'' Roenick told the Inquirer. ''The proposal has to have a number that is not tied to revenues.''

Iginla played down any role he may have had.

''I have talked to Pronger and Roenick but also to many guys around the league, because we're interested in what's going down,'' he told CP. ''But ultimately, it's the committee that's doing all this, not me.

''If people ask me my opinion, I'll give it, and I have.''

Iginla and Esche both shot down other reports saying the group of players actually had a proposal for the league.

The developments Monday might also have an impact on the league's ability to declare legal impasse down the road if there's no deal and the season is cancelled. The union could perhaps argue to the U.S. National Labor Relations Board that there is no impasse in talks because the philosophical issue of a salary cap is no longer the deal-breaker.

The NHL is hoping to avoid becoming the first major professional league in North America to cancel a season from beginning to end.

''I'm extremely concerned,'' said Flyers captain Keith Primeau. ''The biggest thing that disturbs me is everyone's true misunderstanding of the fan base.

''You hear how certain people believe that the hardcore fan will definitely return, that the damage isn't irreparable. I think that's a huge miscalculation or judgment in error of who and what your fan base is. That, I think, is going to alarm a lot of people when the doors are re-opened.''

Through Tuesday, 834 of the 1,230 regular-season games have gone by the wayside.

If an agreement can still be reached, the league has a shortened schedule ready to go that would see teams play 28 regular-season games, playing only within their conference. The playoffs would stay the same.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Originally posted by: tin10
SO is there STILL a chance for the season OR no?

There is some hope, if you want to call it that. We'll know by noon or 1pm EST unless they delay the news conference again which is always a possibility.

Even the diehard fans in this area are content to have nothing now. It's been so long, everyone's hearts have been broken and hardened. You go through stages.. it's almost like grief, forgive me for lack of a better term. Personally I've accepted that there's no hockey. I'm sure if they do have a season I'll watch but I'm going to be damn disgruntled and critical towards it.
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: tin10
SO is there STILL a chance for the season OR no?

There is some hope, if you want to call it that. We'll know by noon or 1pm EST unless they delay the news conference again which is always a possibility.

Even the diehard fans in this area are content to have nothing now. It's been so long, everyone's hearts have been broken and hardened. You go through stages.. it's almost like grief, forgive me for lack of a better term. Personally I've accepted that there's no hockey. I'm sure if they do have a season I'll watch but I'm going to be damn disgruntled and critical towards it.

I thought there wasn't going to be hockey, but last night they weren't that far apart. Just split the difference and play. Are we really not going to have hockey over $6.5 million.
 
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: tin10
SO is there STILL a chance for the season OR no?

There is some hope, if you want to call it that. We'll know by noon or 1pm EST unless they delay the news conference again which is always a possibility.

Even the diehard fans in this area are content to have nothing now. It's been so long, everyone's hearts have been broken and hardened. You go through stages.. it's almost like grief, forgive me for lack of a better term. Personally I've accepted that there's no hockey. I'm sure if they do have a season I'll watch but I'm going to be damn disgruntled and critical towards it.

I thought there wasn't going to be hockey, but last night they weren't that far apart. Just split the difference and play. Are we really not going to have hockey over $6.5 million.

Yep. According to Buttmunch the $42 million cap is already pushing it. Why won't they just go with a $44 or $45 million cap? I don't know.
 
Originally posted by: dragonballgtz
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: tin10
SO is there STILL a chance for the season OR no?

There is some hope, if you want to call it that. We'll know by noon or 1pm EST unless they delay the news conference again which is always a possibility.

Even the diehard fans in this area are content to have nothing now. It's been so long, everyone's hearts have been broken and hardened. You go through stages.. it's almost like grief, forgive me for lack of a better term. Personally I've accepted that there's no hockey. I'm sure if they do have a season I'll watch but I'm going to be damn disgruntled and critical towards it.

I thought there wasn't going to be hockey, but last night they weren't that far apart. Just split the difference and play. Are we really not going to have hockey over $6.5 million.

Yep. According to Buttmunch the $42 million cap is already pushing it. Why won't they just go with a $44 or $45 million cap? I don't know.

I don't know!! AHHHH! That's why I'm going crazy.
 
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
I thought there wasn't going to be hockey, but last night they weren't that far apart. Just split the difference and play. Are we really not going to have hockey over $6.5 million.

It does seem like an arbitrary amount when you think of the millions of dollars being mulled over, but $6.5mil x 30 teams is almost $200mil. I think that is what both sides are looking at and I think that is why there will not be a season.

edit: Yes I just read Mackenzie's article a couple hours ago. But it's true.
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
I thought there wasn't going to be hockey, but last night they weren't that far apart. Just split the difference and play. Are we really not going to have hockey over $6.5 million.

It does seem like an arbitrary amount when you think of the millions of dollars being mulled over, but $6.5mil x 30 teams is almost $200mil. I think that is what both sides are looking at and I think that is why there will not be a season.

edit: Yes I just read Mackenzie's article a couple hours ago. But it's true.

But it's not that much because not all the teams will spend over $42.5 million. Especially if there is a tax between 42.5 million and 46 million.
 
Doesn't look good. If the season gets canceled now, both Bob and Gary should be fired. The deadline has passed and no communication. The 1pm press conference is still on.

I think hockey is done this season.
 
Originally posted by: Nightfall
Doesn't look good. If the season gets canceled now, both Bob and Gary should be fired. The deadline has passed and no communication. The 1pm press conference is still on.

I think hockey is done this season.

I also think it's over but I don't understand, if the NHL is moving off of 42.5 million, why it can't done.
 
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