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Deadline passes for NHLPA to accept NHL deal

TSN.ca Staff with CP files
2/16/2005

NEW YORK - The National Hockey League's deadline for the NHL Players' Association to accept its $42.5 million hard cap proposal has passed, with all signs pointing to commissioner Gary Bettman announcing the cancellation of the 2004-2005 season at a 1pm et/10am pt news conference in New York (live on TSN and TSN.ca).

The league has already sent out memos to its teams saying that it has not contacted the union since Tuesday night, and the season will be cancelled. Neither side has made contact with each other since wrapping up a public letter-writing campaign, with the NHL and the union standing pat with a $6.5 million gap.

"It's too bad... but at least we have an answer," Vancouver Canucks captain Markus Naslund told TSN. "It's too bad for us players that we can't be out there to perform but there's a bigger picture, too."

The only letter that came on Wednesday was a press release from the NHLPA saying it had scheduled its own news conference for 4pm et/1pm pt in Toronto.

The league and Players' Association came off a tumultuous 48-hour period which saw both sides break down barriers that had existed for more than two years.

The league took less than an hour to reject the NHLPA's offer of a $49-million team-by-team salary cap Tuesday night, sticking to the $42.5-million submission it made earlier in the evening.

"If every team spent to the $49-million level you have proposed, total player compensation would exceed what we spent last season and, assuming for discussion purposes, there was no damage to the game, our player compensation costs would exceed 75 per cent of revenues," Bettman wrote in his second letter of the day to NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow. "We cannot afford your proposal.

"Our offer of earlier (Tuesday) was a $75-million increase over the offer we made (Monday). I hope you will accept it, and that we can move forward and negotiate the myriad of other issues that need to be addressed."

Two hours after that rejection, Goodenow fired a letter back at Bettman.

"Your claim that the clubs cannot afford our proposal is based on your hypothetical fear of what would happen "if every team spent to the $49-million leve the players have proposed,"' wrote Goodenow. "The notion that every club will spend at the $49-million level is contradicted by years of actual payroll experience under the old CBA system..."

Goodenow then added, "You will receive nothing further from us."

Goodenow had taken just over four hours to turn down the league's offer of a $42.5-million salary cap, an offer Bettman warned did not warrant further negotiations.

The league's offer features a $42.5-million cap, with a luxury tax of 50 per cent on payrolls from $34 million to $42.5 million. Offers from both sides in the last two days included a salary rollback of 24 per cent on all existing player contracts and covered six full seasons.

Aside from dropping its cap figure from $52 million to $49 million on Tuesday night, the union also restructured the exception provision so that teams can only go over the cap twice during the six-year term and "for up to only 10 per cent over the limit of $49 million (to $53.9 million), at the tax rate of 150 per cent."

The rest of the luxury tax would worked like this: 25 per cent on $40 million-$43 million, 50 per cent on $43 million-$46 million and 75 per cent from $46 million-$49 million. The deal also included a minimum payroll of $25 million.

The NHLPA's previous offer Monday allowed provisions for teams to spend as much as 10 per cent more than that on three occasions in a six-year period. The luxury tax worked at 25 per cent on $40 million-$44 million; 50 per cent on $44 million-$48 million; 75 per cent on $48 million-$52 million and 150 per cent on $52 million-$57.2 million.

The league's $42.5-million salary cap would be the figure for all six years of the new collective bargaining agreement.

Counting the rollback of 24 per cent, four teams are currently over the $42.5-million figure before signing any free agents. Detroit ($43.38 million), New Jersey ($46.32 million), Philadelphia ($50 million) and Toronto ($46.6 million) would be over. Dallas ($40.77 million) and Colorado ($40.27 million) would be on the bubble without signing anyone else.

Through Wednesday, 840 of the 1,230 regular-season games have gone by the wayside.

If an agreement can still be reached, the league has a shortened schedule ready to go that would see teams play 28 regular-season games, playing only within their conference. The playoffs would stay the same.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
lol, TSN has a count down to the cancellation, with a panel talking about this (unfortunately Damien Cockhead is one of them).
 
Why is there not more talk about Bettman moving off 42.5 million? Why is there no talking!?!?!?!? Or do you think they are just leaving the media out of it and trying to work out a last second deal?
 
NHL, NHLPA fail to reach deal
FOXSports.com
Posted: 3 minutes ago

The hammer finally came down on the 2004-05 NHL season Wednesday.

Despite a gap of just $6.5 million separating the the final offers of the NHL and the NHLPA, the two sides couldn't bridge that small gap in time to save the season, as league comissioner Gary Bettman made the announcement at a news conference in New York.

The NHL would became the first major professional league in North America to lose an entire season because of a labor dispute. The Stanley Cup has been awarded every year since 1919, when a flu epidemic canceled the finals.

The two sides in the labor dispute couldn't agree on a new collective bargaining agreement, with the main sticking point being the salary cap demand made by the NHL. On Tuesday, the NHLPA backed off its insistance that a cap not be part of the new deal. Negotiations throughout the day produced final cap figures of $42.5 million from the league and $49 million from the union.

Bettman had set a deadline of 11 a.m. ET on Wednesday for the NHLPA to accept the league's final offer, but that hour came and went without a deal being made. He had already scheduled a press conference for 1 p.m. ET to announce the cancellation of the season.

Bettman's threatened cancellation of the season shifted the pressure to the players, some of whom stated Tuesday they were surprised that the union accepted a salary cap this late in the game.

"We probably could've gotten this thing done in the summertime," Chicago forward Matthew Barnaby said. "I'm just a little disappointed that it went this far to play poker and to have someone call your bluff."

NHL chief legal officer Bill Daly met one-on-one with players' association senior director Ted Saskin in Niagara Falls, N.Y., on Monday and presented an offer that removed the owners' desired link between league revenues and player costs.

The union refused to agree to that kind of tie-in because it doesn't trust what the league claims as its revenue total. Once the NHL dropped that requirement, the players came off their refusal of a salary cap.

The NHL's proposal on Monday was for a hard cap at $40 million with a 50 percent tax penalty for teams that spend between $34 million and $40 million.

Bettman said the sides needed to start putting a deal on paper by last weekend if the NHL was going to hold a 28-game, intra-conference schedule and a full 16-team playoff.

Bettman said teams needed to have cost certainty to survive and the only way he could guarantee that was with a salary cap that linked league revenues to player costs. Now that position has changed for the first time since the NHL started gearing up for the lockout in 1998.

The league has said teams lost $273 million in 2002-03 and $224 million last season, and an economic study commissioned by the NHL found that players get 75 percent of league revenues. The union has challenged those figures.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
fvck!

I can't even express how I feel here without being banned. F U Bettman! Curse you, curse you from the bottom of my heart.
 
A big thank you to mr bob goodenow for this to happen.

He, for month, claim he dont want a salary cap...and then suddently want one at 1 day of the end of the season???

Dont blame gary on this plz.I didnt want a 24 game season anyway.Put a deal for next season, work on new rules to make the show better and then yeah, next year i will come back

Im glad this is over.Now Goodenow will lose is job.
 
I love hockey so much. I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around this. Now, do we do this again in August/September?
 
Well....... it's offical. 🙁

I don't feel sorry for the Players or the Owners.

I feel sorry for all of the Support Workers....... like office workers (for the teams) and concession workers or people whos businesses depend on the NHL operating.

Cheers,
Aquaman

 
it's Bettman's fault all of this happened anyway. "Let's expand down south, yippee woo woo money money money."

selfish little prick wanted to improve his own image by "expansion", he was in bed with all the expansion owners all along and he broke the league.

now he's going the same thing, patting himself on the back in the press conference. "i tried to save the season".

someone tell me why why why why why why why why is this guy still commissioner?

bye bye NHL. i wonder what the new league will be known as?
 
The worst decision they made was cock teasing us at the end. Telling us, "Oh, now we're only a few million dollars apart." At that point, someone sack up and make a deal. Now they look even greedier and, at least for me, got our hopes up again only to be destroyed again. Fvck them........but I will be watching whenever they finally get their sh|t together
 
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
I don't think it's just Bettman's fault. Both of them should have come together.

I'm just so sad. 🙁 It doesn't matter. No hockey. 🙁 I never knew until now how much I was counting on it to come back before golf season started up again. damn it!
 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
A big thank you to mr bob goodenow for this to happen.

He, for month, claim he dont want a salary cap...and then suddently want one at 1 day of the end of the season???

Dont blame gary on this plz.I didnt want a 24 game season anyway.Put a deal for next season, work on new rules to make the show better and then yeah, next year i will come back

Im blade this is over.Now Goodenow will lose is job.


Amen to pretty much all of that. What took so long to agree to have a cap? Goodenow should definitely lose his job over this as many of the players publicly seem bitter about that. They kind of had the rug pulled out from under them. Many were towing the company line of, "we will not accept an offer with a cap" and then all of a sudden their offer has a cap! Unbelievable and Goodenow should be fired for that.
 
Originally posted by: Aquaman
Well....... it's offical. 🙁

I don't feel sorry for the Players or the Owners.

I feel sorry for all of the Support Workers....... like office workers (for the teams) and concession workers or people whos businesses depend on the NHL operating.

Cheers,
Aquaman

i saw a news report last night about how the business around Pepsi center are in real financial trouble because the AVS are not playing.
 
It's Over: Bettman cancels NHL season

TSN.ca Staff with CP files
2/16/2005

From this moment on, the 2004-2005 NHL season will be marked with an asterisk and caption that reads "Season Cancelled."

A last-minute effort to put together a framework for a new collective bargaining agreement proved to be too little, too late on Wednesday as commissioner Gary Bettman officially called off the remainder of the 2004-2005 season.

"Every professional sports league owes its very existence to its fans," he said. "Everyone associated with the National Hockey League owes our fans an apology for being unable to accomplish what is necessary for our game and our fans. We are truly sorry.

"When I stood before you in September, I said NHL teams would not play again until our economic problems had been solved. As I stand before you today, it is my sad duty to announce that because that solution has not yet been attained, it no longer is practical to conduct even an abbreviated season. Accordingly, I have no choice but to announce the formal cancellation of play for 2004-05.

Bettman had given the Players' Association until 11am et to accept the league's final offer, which featured a $42.5-million US salary cap. The union's counter-offer called for a $49-million salary cap. A publicized letter-writing campaign outlining $6.5 million the gap between both sides broke down late Tuesday night, prompting the league to send memos to its 30 teams saying the season would be cancelled.

The only other letter that came on Wednesday morning was a press release from the NHLPA saying it had scheduled its own news conference for 4pm et/1pm pt in Toronto.

"It's too bad...but at least we have an answer," Vancouver Canucks captain Markus Naslund told TSN. "It's too bad for us players that we can't be out there to perform but there's a bigger picture, too."

It's the first time a major professional league in North America has cancelled an entire season due to a work stoppage. A Stanley Cup champion has been crowned every year since 1893 with the exception of 1919, when the Finals were canceled after five games due to a flu epidemic.

The union was willing to play with a salary cap at $49 million, but that was rejected by Bettman.

"If every team spent to the $49 million level you have proposed, total player compensation would exceed what we spent last season and, assuming for discussion purposes, there was no damage to the game, our player compensation costs would exceed 75 percent of revenues," the commissioner wrote. "We cannot afford your proposal."

Goodenow fired back with a spirited letter, stating the union would not present any future offers.

"Your claim that the clubs 'cannot afford' our proposal is based on your hypothetical fear of what would happen 'if every team spent to the $49 million level the players have proposed,'" he wrote. "I am at a loss to understand how you suggest your offer earlier (Tuesday) represents a $75 million increase when it only impacts the spending of nine teams!"

Early Tuesday evening, Bettman made what he termed the NHL's "last effort" to resolve the lengthy labor dispute, raising the amount of the previous salary cap offer of $40 million in an attempt to reach a new CBA with the players.

In a letter to Goodenow, Bettman put forth a "take it or leave it" offer and requested a response prior to his news conference Wednesday afternoon.

"We are increasing our offer of (Monday) by increasing the maximum individual team cap to $44.7 million ($42.5 million in salary and $2.2 million in benefits)," Bettman wrote. "This offer is not an invitation to begin negotiations - it's too late for that. This is our last effort to make a deal that's fair to the players and one that the clubs (hopefully) can afford. We have no more flexibility and there is no time for further negotiation."

Goodenow responded with his own letter to Bettman in which he presented a deal that would institute a $49 million cap - $3 million lower than the union's previous offer - plus $2.2 million in benefits.

Goodenow's six-year proposal also called for a $25 million floor that each team could fall below twice during the term, a minimum player salary of $300,000, a scale of payroll taxes and a 55 percent player share of 2005 playoff revenue.

While Bettman's proposal called for a hard salary cap, Goodenow's plan allowed teams the opportunity to exceed the threshold by 10 percent - up to $53.9 million - twice during its duration, with a 150 percent tax as a penalty.

After months of haggling over the issue of a salary cap, both the NHL and union made unprecedented concessions late Monday night. The NHL removed the linkage of salaries to league revenues while presenting a proposal that included a $40 million cap to the union.

Doing something it vowed never to consider, the NHLPA in turn backed away from its hardline stance against a cap and made a counterproposal that featured a $52 million limit on team payrolls. The union's latest offering also included the 24 percent rollback on existing contracts it presented in December and more aggressive tax thresholds and tax rates on team payrolls.

Under Bettman's proposal, NHL teams would have to divide less than $45 million among 24 players and would not be able to exceed the threshold. By comparison, NBA teams have nearly $44 million to divide among 12-15 players and also enjoy exceptions which allow them to exceed the cap without penalty.

Bettman locked out NHL players at the start of the 1994-95 season, when the league's average salary was $572,000. It has more than tripled to $1.8 million.

The lockout reached its 154th day Wednesday.

If an agreement was reached, Bettman said the league had in place a 28-game regular season followed by a playoff with 16 participants.

The work stoppage has been in effect since Sept. 15, when Bettman announced that the league would lock out its players following the expiration of the most recent agreement. He indicated that teams had lost $1.8 billion over the last 10 years, including $224 million in 2003-04. Bettman added that the owners needed "an enforceable, defined relationship between revenues and expenses," so that a team's ability to compete was not dependent upon its ability to pay.

Two-and-a-half months passed before the two sides agreed to meet in their first formal bargaining session since the lockout began. It was at that point that the players offered a 24-percent rollback in salaries as part of their proposal. Though Bettman said the union finally acknowledged the league's financial troubles, the offer was rejected by the league.

The two sides met again in January, this time in a much smaller setting without Bettman or Goodenow at the bargaining table. But after almost 10 hours of talks over two days, both sides continued to cite "philosophical differences."

On Jan. 27, the league put forth a framework for a proposal that included a team-by-team salary cap between $32-$42 million with no luxury tax and team payrolls linked to revenues at a rate of 54-percent. The NHLPA did not look favourably on the proposal.

With the deadline of the season being cancelled hanging over their heads, Bettman and Goodenow finally met again for two days in early February. Both sides reported no progress.

On Feb. 9, Bettman set a weekend deadline for getting a new deal in place or else the season would be cancelled, acknowledging for the first time that a formal announcement would take place rather than let the season fade away without recognition.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
I don't really know that I'd want a what, 25 game season anyway even if it went through. Boo to both sides for not wanting to make great demands or strides earlier on to avoid this last minute talk BS. (Mostly to the PU though)
 
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