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BUTCH1

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I don't like that you're implying Smith doesn't have PFM status. It is more like PFM wishes he had Smith status!

Not making much sense with that one, are you saying a future HOF QB "wishes" he has Alex Smith status?? Don't get me wrong, I think Smith is a fine NFL QB, defiantly in the top 10 as was in evidence on Monday night (albeit against a struggling defense)..
 

smackababy

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Not making much sense with that one, are you saying a future HOF QB "wishes" he has Alex Smith status?? Don't get me wrong, I think Smith is a fine NFL QB, defiantly in the top 10 as was in evidence on Monday night (albeit against a struggling defense)..

Alex Smith is the greatest QB currently in the NFL, and has a strong argument for being the greatest ever, although Trent Dilfer gives him a good run for his money!


Don't get me wrong, I think Smith is a fine NFL QB, but your sarcasm meter isn't working.


Also, who is making the thread for next week? It's almost Thursday!
 

manimal

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you guys heard it here first


Micheal Ola will replace the RT. Hes been awful and Ole ola had tremendous marks and blocked downfield like a boss on a few plays.

Bears are RT away from a good OL. Hell britten primarily a pass blocker would be better than this regressing pile of crap.


Bears are 3 and 1 with good play on is part. The game the bears would have won was the Buffalo game. That one is gonna haunt them



5 players return to practice today in limited or full fashion Allen, Garza and Slauson ratliff will make a huge difference next week if they can play.

I would possibly hold out Marshall to get him to heal up properly. Takes something to get someone out from the 8 ball and thats rest.
 

BUTCH1

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Alex Smith is the greatest QB currently in the NFL, and has a strong argument for being the greatest ever, although Trent Dilfer gives him a good run for his money!


Don't get me wrong, I think Smith is a fine NFL QB, but your sarcasm meter isn't working.


Also, who is making the thread for next week? It's almost Thursday!

Oh, OK, my bad, and yea, we need a thread for this week. If you a betting type the Pat's decline has made some people a ton of cash as they were -2 going in to KC, right now it's Bengals-2 going into NE. Last year they played and the Pats and held NE to 6 points and 1for12 on 3rd down. This season the Bengals are even better than last year and hold a 3-0 record and coming off a by week. This is the week IMO that we will see what NE is made from, the loss at KC was not just a loss, it was an embarrassment on national TV, if they can't muster up a decent challenge for an excellent Bengal team it would "seal the deal" as far as them contending for anything this year.
 

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I am not sold on NE's fall from greatness. They are hurting from some of their moves not panning out though. Hernandez being all gangster hurt them a lot. Gronk having bones made of glass sure isn't helping either. Bill's response to Mr. Concussion Welker when he asked for more money wasn't a great one; "More money? Ha! You're a lil guy who needs a HoF QB to make you look good. Nobody else has that!" Denver was like "Did we hear HoF QB? Come on down!"

They are struggling this year but Jones telling the opposing O Line "let me through or my brother will beat you up!" is going to work eventually and their receivers returning will help Brady out. They need to shape up their O Line, but that will come around. They are only 2 -2 after all.
 

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BUTCH1

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This crap drives me nuts. I know we've already had this discussion time and time again, but how it's legal for a single company to be the only one that can show every NFL game is a testament to how screwed up our system is. Maybe when Manning retires the Broncos will suck enough for me to be less interested and not have to resort to Sunday Ticket.


Yep, and cable TV already has the infrastructure in place to offer PPV games, they already do for movies and other things like fights but noooo, the greedy NFL barons once again took the big check from DTV and a big "fuck you" to anyone hooked to a cable. You can watch NFL games on cable, just not anywhere in North America.. :twisted:
 

BUTCH1

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I am not sold on NE's fall from greatness. They are hurting from some of their moves not panning out though. Hernandez being all gangster hurt them a lot. Gronk having bones made of glass sure isn't helping either. Bill's response to Mr. Concussion Welker when he asked for more money wasn't a great one; "More money? Ha! You're a lil guy who needs a HoF QB to make you look good. Nobody else has that!" Denver was like "Did we hear HoF QB? Come on down!"

They are struggling this year but Jones telling the opposing O Line "let me through or my brother will beat you up!" is going to work eventually and their receivers returning will help Brady out. They need to shape up their O Line, but that will come around. They are only 2 -2 after all.

Oh they had the $$ for Welker but went after Danny Amendola, the "nowhere man", 3 receptions this YEAR..and dumping Blount when 2-3 mil could have kept him around, hello mr Kraft, BB, did you not see the load he took off TB's shoulders the last half of the season?. Now we get an OK Ridley (if he doesn't fumble) and 3 other backs that go down on shoelace contact, ugh, it disgusts me..
 

SSSnail

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Are you seriously trying to pull the band wagon fan card on me when you first became an 9er then "Alex Smith" fan all of what 2-3 years ago?

I've been a 49er fan since I was in 5-6 years old whenever they beat the Bengal's in the SB (or at the time I called them the "bagels"). I hated, and still hate GB for all the years we could never seem to beat them in the play-offs when I was in HS and I didn't follow football much while in college. I played the same position and wore the same number playing football as Brent Jones.

Also in that game they had VD, Crab for passing targets. Who did they add in the next year, Moss (didn't bring a whole bunch to the table, as he wasn't brought back the following year) and Manningham, who over 2 years was able to bring in just over 500 years of receiving (and just for facts, Moss had 434 yards in his lone year). The WR core didn't improve much until we were able to sign Boldin as he provided the receiving corps a huge boost, 2013. So I don't see exactly how the 2012 team was MUCH improved over the 2011 team. The star players remained the same, coaches stayed the same, so how exactly were they MUCH better? (QB changed half way through season, WR basically same except as noted above, RB same, TE same, O-Line/D-line almost the same, LB - same, secondary same, So what was it, 2012 looked at themselves in the mirror and said time to get our shit together?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Francisco_49ers_season
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_San_Francisco_49ers_season

They did get incrementally better and also got one game further in the play offs, what exactly are you trying to say here? That this incremental improvement should have propelled Kaep to PFM status as it definitely would have with Smith?

Don't know man, the way you talk about them doesn't seem like you know much about the organization. I mean, really. The fact that you're saying the team in 2011 is the same as 2012 is telling.

Yeah, there are a lot of "I've been a fan since I was a kid" fans around here, but seems like they don't know shit about anything when you talk to them. I bet in my four years of being a fan, so far, I probably spent more time and emotions into that team than a lot of the so called "fans".
 
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RPD

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Don't know man, the way you talk about them doesn't seem like you know much about the organization. I mean, really. The fact that you're saying the team in 2011 is the same as 2012 is telling.

Yeah, there are a lot of "I've been a fan since I was a kid" fans around here, but seems like they don't know shit about anything when you talk to them. I bet in my four years of being a fan, so far, I probably spent more time and emotions into that team than a lot of the so called "fans".

I posted how there was very little difference in the roster between the two years. Either put up or shut up and move on. I assume you are a male, but how fired up you get about Smith and your emotions make it seem like you are a female with a very serious crush on him.
 

SSSnail

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Even just counting the difference of two years in the same system vs. a locked out season with brand new coaching and system, and all else being equal (which it wasn't), it shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. I just put up, now you shut up.

Alright, how's this, I'll ask you a few questions, and you try to be as honest as you can, and then we'll put this to rest, OK?

Do you think Smith is a product of Harbaugh? That Harbaugh is can turn a QB as shitty as Smith into a star after inheriting seemingly the same team from Dingleberry?
 
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RPD

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Even just counting the difference of two years in the same system vs. a locked out season with brand new coaching and system, and all else being equal (which it wasn't), it shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. I just put up, now you shut up.

Alright, how's this, I'll ask you a few questions, and you try to be as honest as you can, and then we'll put this to rest, OK?

Do you think Smith is a product of Harbaugh? That Harbaugh is can turn a QB as shitty as Smith into a star after inheriting seemingly the same team from Dingleberry?

Show us on the doll where the bad man touched Smith.

How stupid of questions you are asking. Coaching can help, but a coach isn't what makes a great player great, they already have it. Smith doesn't have it. I don't think anyone claims he made Smith a star.

As I already said they got incrementally better from 2011 to 2012.

2011 - Scored 380 points (23.8/g), 11th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 229 points (14.3/g), 2nd.

2012 - Scored 397 points (24.8/g), 11th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 273 points (17.1/g), 2nd.

There is one comparison I'm purposely leaving out to see If you have the slightest of clue of what it is and why. You haven't put up you've just continued to yap.
 

SSSnail

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Show us on the doll where the bad man touched Smith.

How stupid of questions you are asking. Coaching can help, but a coach isn't what makes a great player great, they already have it. Smith doesn't have it. I don't think anyone claims he made Smith a star.

As I already said they got incrementally better from 2011 to 2012.

2011 - Scored 380 points (23.8/g), 11th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 229 points (14.3/g), 2nd.

2012 - Scored 397 points (24.8/g), 11th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 273 points (17.1/g), 2nd.

There is one comparison I'm purposely leaving out to see If you have the slightest of clue of what it is and why. You haven't put up you've just continued to yap.

Oh wait, so you mean it isn't the Kaep lovers' narrative that Smith is a product of Harbaugh? That Harbaugh resurrected Smith career? That Harbaugh is the great QB whisperer? That Harbaugh could take any QB and make him great?

Seeing that you dodged the questions and being a dishonest prick, I'm going to just fling this out here and call it a day. When Kaep was handed the championship caliber team, it was expected that he'd do MUCH better than Smith because of his "much higher potential". Now, when you hand someone a championship caliber team, with a great QB whisperer of a coach in Harbaugh that could turn shitty Smith into a winning QB, wouldn't you expect much better results in Kaep? Especially when that QB was handpicked by said coach to fit the system that he wanted to play? I mean, Smith had already done half of the work for Kaep in 2012 en route to their SB appearance. Teams didn't have much tapes on Kaep, should be easy, right?

2012 came, and the team, now the second straight year in the same system, was kicking ass. Smith set a few team and NFL records along the way (since you love stats so much). With the addition of a few key pieces that improved the offense and defense, plus players maturity, made for a much better team. Smith was playing his best football since the turn around about four games from the end of the 2010 season, when the team revolted against Dingleberry. We know the rest of the story since Smith was replaced.

2013, the team should be even better with a few more added pieces, yet the result started on a downward slide. It turned out that the new QB didn't have what it takes to play the brand of football that the coach wanted, so back to Smith football he went after the mystique of a running QB worn off.

2014? It barely got started, and you can guess where the arrow points.

And here we go with straight up raw stats used in a debate, fucking amateur. Using PPG as a stat is about the stupidest use of stats, ever. I'm about to put you in the same locker as darkswordman, because it seems that your ignorance is just as confounding. Throw some more stats at me, wiki-boy. Reveal the secret stats or comparison that would shut me up forever, come on.

I'm sure in your stats book they talk about how Harbaugh just handed the playbook to Smith during the lockout so the team can practice on Smith's dimes and under his dissection of the playbook.

BTW, he's doing just fine in KC. Smith's brand of football isn't flashy, it's old-school, no cheap tricks, no gimmicks, and it would have gotten the Niners another ring, no doubt about that.
 
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RPD

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Ya who needs stats and facts to back up their side of the story when you can just throw emotions and rage behind it while sitting at a keyboard. Now I'm a dishonest prick by posting stats to show how much better/worse or actually pretty much the SAME the team was.
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Keep fighting the good fight bra!
 

SSSnail

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No rage here, just contextual facts as they happened. I know that's a bit much for you to handle, so just go on blabbing as usual. No substance, and that's what I figured.

Just so you know, PPG stats from one season to the next without taking into consideration who their opponents are, how the points accumulated, etc... are worthless. But, of course you don't know that.

Care to refute any of the points I made?
 
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smackababy

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ITT: we not have the same jerkoff trying to argue PFM pretends he is Alex Smith when playing outside with his kids. "Daddy, I want to be Wes Welker! Throw me a pass." "No, son; Alex Smith doesn't throw to Wes Welker; you can be Dwayne Bowe or Donnie Avery."
 

RPD

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No rage here, just contextual facts as they happened. I know that's a bit much for you to handle, so just go on blabbing as usual. No substance, and that's what I figured.

Just so you know, PPG stats from one season to the next without taking into consideration who their opponents are, how the points accumulated, etc... are worthless. But, of course you don't know that.

Care to refute any of the points I made?

Ah it only took you two posts to get to it.
There is one comparison I'm purposely leaving out to see If you have the slightest of clue of what it is and why. You haven't put up you've just continued to yap.
If you knew the term, it's called strength of schedule. Now stay with me here, going to you know, posts some stats, those pesky things you hate.
2011 they were 30th. 2012 they were 24th.

Which with my previous post:
2011 - Scored 380 points (23.8/g), 11th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 229 points (14.3/g), 2nd.

2012 - Scored 397 points (24.8/g), 11th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 273 points (17.1/g), 2nd.
Shows they scored a some more points and also allowed some more points, which kinda backs up my claim, they got incrementally better.

You can keep making "points" but you have yet to back them up with any facts.