OFFICIAL NFL 2012 week 4 thread

[diesbudt]

11-3 this week on game calling so far. Not a bad week I may say so my self.

 

[MetalMat]

11-3 this week on game calling so far. Not a bad week I may say so my self.

This week played more like most people expected. I came out 11-3 as well so far

 

[diesbudt]

This week played more like most people expected. I came out 11-3 as well so far

and the regular refs were in.

Coincidence?

One thing I noticed is with the official refs back, offenses caught fire again. Being able to go to the no huddle offense, really helped the packers bring some rythme into their offense, and the patriots ran all over the buffalo bills.

 

[MetalMat]

and the regular refs were in.

Coincidence?

One thing I noticed is with the official refs back, offenses caught fire again. Being able to go to the no huddle offense, really helped the packers bring some rythme into their offense, and the patriots ran all over the buffalo bills.

Agreed, though the refs did blow some calls in the Saints Packers game. They can't and will never be perfect, and though the calls did go in favor of the Saints I did not feel good about it.

 

[diesbudt]

Agreed, though the refs did blow some calls in the Saints Packers game. They can't and will never be perfect, and though the calls did go in favor of the Saints I did not feel good about it.

I think the refs agreed to try and take the packers down now. That is 2 games where the refs blatently hit the packers with a few completely bad calls (however in packers-seattle, they did call bad ones in favor of the packers too, but that last call was just wrong.)

The ones I remember from yesterday:

-Saints first TD. Blatent offensive pass interference missed.
-The 2nd challenged replay by packers (That was not a catch, as ball moved after touching ground and the WR was not finished "going to the ground".) it was upheld and saints got a FG from that drive.
-The fumble on the kick return, was blatently missed. Called down too early or whatever (couldn't be challenged as packers were out of them)

I think after this season, I could potentially see the owners talking about changing the replay rules. As that is 2 weeks in a row a OPI call was missed on a TD (a scoring play, automatically reviewed)

 

[MetalMat]

I think the refs agreed to try and take the packers down now. That is 2 games where the refs blatently hit the packers with a few completely bad calls (however in packers-seattle, they did call bad ones in favor of the packers too, but that last call was just wrong.)

The ones I remember from yesterday:

-Saints first TD. Blatent offensive pass interference missed.
-The 2nd challenged replay by packers (That was not a catch, as ball moved after touching ground and the WR was not finished "going to the ground".) it was upheld and saints got a FG from that drive.
-The fumble on the kick return, was blatently missed. Called down too early or whatever (couldn't be challenged as packers were out of them)

I think after this season, I could potentially see the owners talking about changing the replay rules. As that is 2 weeks in a row a OPI call was missed on a TD (a scoring play, automatically reviewed)

I still don't understand how that 2nd challenge was a catch as well but I am no professional NFL ref. I would like to get that one cleared up.

I guess the ref did not see that OPI on the touchdown, who knows, looked like he pushed off to me.

And the refs are not purposely screwing over the Packers. Why would they want to? Aren't the Saints the bad guys this season?

 

[diesbudt]

I still don't understand how that 2nd challenge was a catch as well but I am no professional NFL ref. I would like to get that one cleared up.

I guess the ref did not see that OPI on the touchdown, who knows, looked like he pushed off to me.

And the refs are not purposely screwing over the Packers. Why would they want to? Aren't the Saints the bad guys this season?

You would think they would be on the Packers side actually, for being the final push the owners needed to get a deal done (which based on what the NFL gave in those last 2 days, refs won the lockout)

Who knows, but the packers have 2 weeks straight now been taking bad calls. This time at least they had a chance to overcome those bad calls.

My question is why are the refs missing a lot of OPI lately? Especially in the endzone? But yea he pushed him out of the way since the packer defender was in front of him, potentially a INT if he didn't do that.

That was not a catch, how the refs/replay refs saw that no clue. Everyone of those "catches" have been ruled incomplete in the past. Since the ball "baubled/was loose" while it hit the ground, meaning not having control and touching ground = incomplete.

Speaking of the 0-4 saints. There is a huge difference in their play calling this year from last. On offense and Defense. Because of the "bounty" on defense I assue. Whether it is they are playing it cautious, or the new def- coordinator just isn't a connection for this team. But without peyton, offense playcalling seems to be struggling. I think this season is showing just how important a head coach can be to a team.

 

[vi edit]

Just watching the last few weeks and it seems to me like the receivers are getting terrible about committing OPI. Torrey Smith for Baltimore pushes off on almost every play he has. DeShaun Jackson is horrible about it. Barden absolutely mugged the defender on that called OPI last night at the end. Golden Tate did it several times as did Sidney Rice in the game last week. That's the one dirty move that's probably really under penalized right now.

 

[vi edit]

Speaking of the 0-4 saints. There is a huge difference in their play calling this year from last. On offense and Defense. Because of the "bounty" on defense I assue. Whether it is they are playing it cautious, or the new def- coordinator just isn't a connection for this team. But without peyton, offense playcalling seems to be struggling. I think this season is showing just how important a head coach can be to a team.

They have lost both their head coach who was also their offensive mastermind as well as losing Williams to STL before he was banhammered. You lose two major coaches and that is going to disrupt your gameplan bigtime. Toss in the Brees contract fiasco and the bountygate and it's a team that is just totally a mess in structure and confidence.

 

[MetalMat]

Speaking of the 0-4 saints. There is a huge difference in their play calling this year from last. On offense and Defense. Because of the "bounty" on defense I assue. Whether it is they are playing it cautious, or the new def- coordinator just isn't a connection for this team. But without peyton, offense playcalling seems to be struggling. I think this season is showing just how important a head coach can be to a team.

The play calling has been weird. They had 6 chances to get a TD in the Packers redzone and did not pound the rock at all. I know that Graham has been dropping passes this year but they should have threw a fade to him, a play that worked quite a bit last season.

Again its a whole lot of "coulda, woulda, shoulda". I am hoping the Saints pull out a W against the Chargers this week so we at least go into the bye week with some good news. Surprisingly the Saints are favored by 3.5 points

 

[BergeLSU]

I think the refs agreed to try and take the packers down now. That is 2 games where the refs blatently hit the packers with a few completely bad calls (however in packers-seattle, they did call bad ones in favor of the packers too, but that last call was just wrong.)

The ones I remember from yesterday:

-Saints first TD. Blatent offensive pass interference missed.
-The 2nd challenged replay by packers (That was not a catch, as ball moved after touching ground and the WR was not finished "going to the ground".) it was upheld and saints got a FG from that drive.
-The fumble on the kick return, was blatently missed. Called down too early or whatever (couldn't be challenged as packers were out of them)

I think after this season, I could potentially see the owners talking about changing the replay rules. As that is 2 weeks in a row a OPI call was missed on a TD (a scoring play, automatically reviewed)

The OPI was not as bad as it seemed. If he just lets himself fall over the Green Bay defender, instead of putting his arms out, then it turns into defensive PI.

While the Graham catch seemed like it hit the ground, I don't know what the ref saw. And the final fumble absolutely was a blown call, and those happen, but that is why coaches have challenges. McCarthy absolutely threw his first challenge away. This is why a lot of coaches are conservative with their red flags.

 

[AstroManLuca]

What really baffled me was that on the first challenge, the ball hit the ground and did move slightly during the catch, which was enough for the refs to say it was not a catch. But then on the second challenge, the exact same thing happened - the ball hit the ground and moved during the catch, yet that time they upheld the ruling of a catch instead. It was very inconsistent and while I agree with their call on the first challenge, the second challenge should have gone the other way.

Also I think coaches should only lose a challenge if they get it wrong. Right now you have to get BOTH right in order to get a third, and even if you get that third one right you still don't get anymore. I say if the refs are so bad that you're able to keep winning challenges, you shouldn't be prevented from continuing to challenge.

Or just do like college where the booth initiates all replay reviews, taking it out of the coaches' hands entirely. Sometimes in college a coach will call a timeout to plead his case to the refs and if they do initiate a review and reverse the initial call, he gets his timeout back. I don't see any problem with that system. In really blatant cases like the fumble yesterday, the Packers being out of challenges would not have prevented them from getting the call right.

 

[Arkaign]

Tonight will be a great indicator on whether the Cowboys are legit or not. Botched calls and some coaching confusion made it difficult to tell from the first few games. Legit refs + a solid Bears team will be a good test 🙂

 

[diesbudt]

Just watching the last few weeks and it seems to me like the receivers are getting terrible about committing OPI. Torrey Smith for Baltimore pushes off on almost every play he has. DeShaun Jackson is horrible about it. Barden absolutely mugged the defender on that called OPI last night at the end. Golden Tate did it several times as did Sidney Rice in the game last week. That's the one dirty move that's probably really under penalized right now.

Yes, very much so. I understand that refs want the players to "play some", but if a defender so much as touches an offensive player with a finger. BAM Defensive PI. Once the ball is in the air, it is anyones ball. PI needs to be regulated more I think.

 

[diesbudt]

Tonight will be a great indicator on whether the Cowboys are legit or not. Botched calls and some coaching confusion made it difficult to tell from the first few games. Legit refs + a solid Bears team will be a good test 🙂

I don't know. The bears outside of the colts game have not been looking overly amazing.

I see dallas winning.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Yes, very much so. I understand that refs want the players to "play some", but if a defender so much as touches an offensive player with a finger. BAM Defensive PI. Once the ball is in the air, it is anyones ball. PI needs to be regulated more I think.

If it was just called more evenly, and not called when the contact is mutual, I'd be fine with that. There should be about the same number of offensive and defensive PI calls made, but it seems like DPI is called way more frequently than OPI.

One thing I noticed about the replacement refs is there were a lot of defensive holding calls, and it seemed like more OPI calls as well. I'm not sure if that's actually true because I don't have the numbers, I just almost never saw defensive holding in past years and in the first three weeks I saw it pretty often.

 

[diesbudt]

If it was just called more evenly, and not called when the contact is mutual, I'd be fine with that. There should be about the same number of offensive and defensive PI calls made, but it seems like DPI is called way more frequently than OPI.

One thing I noticed about the replacement refs is there were a lot of defensive holding calls, and it seemed like more OPI calls as well. I'm not sure if that's actually true because I don't have the numbers, I just almost never saw defensive holding in past years and in the first three weeks I saw it pretty often.

I see defensive holding enough. It is a normal penalty. Much like DPI, just before the ball is thrown. And instead of contact its grabing onto them to slow them down. Last night the saints on the packers, or the eagles on the giants had a Def. holding call. (cant remember which...)

Yea I saw 3 OPI with replacement refs. That is more than I remember seeing in all last season, even when it warrented it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Do you think Brandon Lloyd is happy to catch his first TD for the season?

 

[rudeguy]

Do you think Brandon Lloyd is happy to catch his first TD for the season?

I think he's taking mental bets on if he's going to shit his pants when he lands.



Looks like a good game tonight. I love it when teams play in Dallas. That scoreboard gives me a chubby

 

[vi edit]

Do you think Brandon Lloyd is happy to catch his first TD for the season?

That is a GREAT picture. Thanks for posting!

 

[dougp]

Yah, not really surprised.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i was listening to mnf on the radio earlier. what do you guys think about the official reviews in this game?

edit:
fumble overturned

 

[Fingolfin269]

Wow Dez Bryant could be so good if he wasn't so bad.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

huge 4th down conversion and barely any cheers? sounds like a lot of empty seats in dallas

 

[purbeast0]

not sure if this was discussed in here yet, but today i was hearing on the radio that not only did rg3 make the winning drive, but he did it by calling the plays himself because the headset was out.

pretty damn impressive how much composure this guy has.

i also do not understand for the life of me why there are so many damn problems with the headsets in the nfl. i'm just assuming it is because the helmets get banged to shit.