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I would like to know why shot clock violations aren't entirely reviewable all the time. IIRC they can go back to replay at any time in the game to see if the ball hit the rim. Why is it that much different to see if a player releases the ball in time if it's in question?
They already go back and review 2pt vs 3pt plays. Why is a shot clock violation any different?
I'm also interested to see if the NCAA ever goes to a 24 second clock instead of the 35 seconds they have now. So many possession seem to have teams holding the ball at the top of the court until 9 seconds or so on there and it's nothing but 20 seconds of dribbling or a few passes. Speed that up a bit and get the offense setup faster.
They already go back and review 2pt vs 3pt plays. Why is a shot clock violation any different?
I'm also interested to see if the NCAA ever goes to a 24 second clock instead of the 35 seconds they have now. So many possession seem to have teams holding the ball at the top of the court until 9 seconds or so on there and it's nothing but 20 seconds of dribbling or a few passes. Speed that up a bit and get the offense setup faster.
They were testing it in the NIT so it seems like it is going to happen pretty soon.
KT
IHateMyJob2004
Lifer
FWIW: I think the NBA 24 second clock is too fast.
However, I wouldn't mind seeing the shot clock shortened for the last 2-5 minutes of each half. The slow down sucks mostly in the last 3 minutes or so when one team is up by 6+.
However, I wouldn't mind seeing the shot clock shortened for the last 2-5 minutes of each half. The slow down sucks mostly in the last 3 minutes or so when one team is up by 6+.
cronos
Diamond Member
I was watching the game at home with my family and stayed off social media throughout the game, so while the officiating did feel one-sided towards the end (and I was screaming to the screen when they happened), I felt like it was just the fanboy in me, and even after the game ended I didn't really feel like these calls if went otherwise would have made much difference.
Now that I've seen and read the comments on the internet about the officiating, I started to think and did the math. Towards the end of the game, there were two clearly blown out of bounds (one was reviewed!) calls, and a questionable blocking call that even the announcers agreed should have been a charge (Dukan). That's basically three more possessions for Wisconsin (averaging some 1.2 points-per-possession this year, so a potential of at least 3-4 points out of these) minus the 7 points that Duke scored because they were given possession with the blown calls. That's a total of potential 10-11 points swing in favor of the Badgers. And with the games won by Duke by only 5 points, hmmm...
Having said that, I don't want to sound like a butthurt Kentucky fan 🙂D), so while it really sucks that it had to end like that for the Badgers, I'll congrats Duke for the championship. Damn it, those are some stud freshmen!
It's an absolutely great year and I'm so proud of them. Following this team all the way through this season, with their skills and efficiency on the court and their quirkiness off the court, has been an amazing and satisfying experience.
Now that I've seen and read the comments on the internet about the officiating, I started to think and did the math. Towards the end of the game, there were two clearly blown out of bounds (one was reviewed!) calls, and a questionable blocking call that even the announcers agreed should have been a charge (Dukan). That's basically three more possessions for Wisconsin (averaging some 1.2 points-per-possession this year, so a potential of at least 3-4 points out of these) minus the 7 points that Duke scored because they were given possession with the blown calls. That's a total of potential 10-11 points swing in favor of the Badgers. And with the games won by Duke by only 5 points, hmmm...
Having said that, I don't want to sound like a butthurt Kentucky fan 🙂D), so while it really sucks that it had to end like that for the Badgers, I'll congrats Duke for the championship. Damn it, those are some stud freshmen!
It's an absolutely great year and I'm so proud of them. Following this team all the way through this season, with their skills and efficiency on the court and their quirkiness off the court, has been an amazing and satisfying experience.
preslove
Lifer
After watching last night's game and the last two Kentucky games, I think Calipari is the a 3rd rate x's and o's coach. He's a top tier recruiter, but his teams have tended to underperform in the tournament. With the talent level of his team, it's pretty inexcusable for him to study tape and come up with a game plan. If he had done the work they would have easily won against wisconsin and won against duke
Homerboy
Lifer
I'm a UW fan, born and raised.
While the officiating did suck, that's no excuse for the loss. If you use that for a excuse for a loss, then you have to use it for a reason for a win (over Kentucky too)
Nobody on the Badgers stepped up like the guards did on Duke. Nobody.
Dekker played mediocre (for his ability) ball.
Frank was often very timid and not aggressive.
They did nothing while Okafur was off the floor.
I'm not saying they played bad, I'm just saying that they didn't rise to the occasion -- whereas Duke did. UW had a harder road (UNC, Arizona, and Kentucky) and maybe they were just spent physically and emotionally.
The whole point with playing well/great is then you take the officiating out of the equation. In any sport, at any level, a great team, a Championship team, doesn't put themselves in the position where the officials get to decide the game. One or two plays does NOT lose (or win) any game. There's 40 minutes of basketball where the Badgers could have done things to make those crappy calls not matter -- and they didnt'
Regardless, it was a great season for the Badgers. It was a great tournament (as always) overall. Probably one of the better ones in recent memory
While the officiating did suck, that's no excuse for the loss. If you use that for a excuse for a loss, then you have to use it for a reason for a win (over Kentucky too)
Nobody on the Badgers stepped up like the guards did on Duke. Nobody.
Dekker played mediocre (for his ability) ball.
Frank was often very timid and not aggressive.
They did nothing while Okafur was off the floor.
I'm not saying they played bad, I'm just saying that they didn't rise to the occasion -- whereas Duke did. UW had a harder road (UNC, Arizona, and Kentucky) and maybe they were just spent physically and emotionally.
The whole point with playing well/great is then you take the officiating out of the equation. In any sport, at any level, a great team, a Championship team, doesn't put themselves in the position where the officials get to decide the game. One or two plays does NOT lose (or win) any game. There's 40 minutes of basketball where the Badgers could have done things to make those crappy calls not matter -- and they didnt'
Regardless, it was a great season for the Badgers. It was a great tournament (as always) overall. Probably one of the better ones in recent memory
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I would absolutely agree there. Kentucky has no semblance of an offense. It's opportunistic through transition and turnovers and during the regular season thrived off of offensive rebounds. It was only late in the year, and in the last couple games of the tournament that they started getting Towns setup on the post and letting him work. That was the closest thing they had to an offense and it was basic high school level stuff at that. Give it to Karl, if he gets doubled then kick it out. The Harrison's were able to improv possessions and make plays in the lane that bailed them out in A LOT of games. They don't pass well, they don't really setup many plays, and just thrived on pure physical ability.
When they went to play Wisconsin they kept switching on screens creating huge mismatches. You wound up with tiny little 5'8" Ulis on a 7' guy. Wisconsin exploited that all night. Cal never changed his game plan.
Plus I just don't understand how they can have three years with a guy as talented as Cauley-Stein and have him do basically nothing outside of alley-oop dunks on the offensive side of ball. Even around the rim he's terrible at layups. You'd think they'd develop him a bit more.
I think Cal was beat by his own overconfidence and inability to redraw his schemes mid-game. Athletic ability only gets you so far.
cronos
Diamond Member
There's a good article discussing this (I think it was on Grantland). He seemed to really believe that 'his guys' are invincible, solely because of the embarrassment of talents that they have. This caused him to limit his coaching to simply just tell them to use all these talents to play. He intentionally forgo actual coaching, either basic basketball skills/discipline or game-day strategy, based on the fact that his team is stronger, bigger, and much more athletic and talented. In other words, he basically 'brute force' everything, and his one single game strategy is to 'just play, guys'.
As you can see that worked just perfectly with considerably weaker teams, and with teams that are better, a little bit of luck may be involved (see: their other close calls in conference play). But against teams with solid coaching and strategy and more discipline (though may not be more skilled or athletic), their chance of winning a game lessen considerably.
There were 2 bad calls last night, but it was a good game to watch.
Thought WI should have tried to feed the post more when Jalil was out, and Dekker didn't have a good game.
A few other thoughts:
- Kentucky's 3 straight shot-clock violations are a perfect example of why Calipari isn't a particularly good x/o's coach - that was just awful
- if I'm drafting at the top of the upcoming NBA draft - Anthony-Towns is FAR better than Okafor - in fact, I'm not sure Okafor is even ready to play in the NBA right now - sure, his hands are freakishly large and he's got the size, but his back-to-the-basket game is very limited. I'd love to see him stay at Duke for another year (which pains me to say because I don't like Duke!) and come out next year a much more polished post player.
- will be interesting to see Kaminsky at the next level - his foot work is exceptional for someone his size
- Winslow - while a nice athlete - is also not ready for the NBA - but I'd be shocked if he stays
Thought WI should have tried to feed the post more when Jalil was out, and Dekker didn't have a good game.
A few other thoughts:
- Kentucky's 3 straight shot-clock violations are a perfect example of why Calipari isn't a particularly good x/o's coach - that was just awful
- if I'm drafting at the top of the upcoming NBA draft - Anthony-Towns is FAR better than Okafor - in fact, I'm not sure Okafor is even ready to play in the NBA right now - sure, his hands are freakishly large and he's got the size, but his back-to-the-basket game is very limited. I'd love to see him stay at Duke for another year (which pains me to say because I don't like Duke!) and come out next year a much more polished post player.
- will be interesting to see Kaminsky at the next level - his foot work is exceptional for someone his size
- Winslow - while a nice athlete - is also not ready for the NBA - but I'd be shocked if he stays
Homerboy
Lifer
Homerboy
Lifer
I agree to all of this.
That being said, you didn't mention Dekker. He will be better in the NBA than Frank will (I'm not even sure Frank plays in the NBA, or has a "career" there... he's got Euro-League written all over him) Dekker will, most possibly, go top 10.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
I agree. I am really proud of the team and grateful for their season. Still that was a sad finish and I am feeling pretty raw about it today.
Atomic Playboy
Lifer
Bad officiating aside, that was an excellent game. Usually I find college basketball to be pretty "meh," but that was exciting from start to finish.
Funny you say that. I put his game somewhere between Dirk and Pau Gasol. Better long range shooter than Pau, but better around the basket than Dirk. He's an excellent free throw shooter and great passer (but prone to bad passing decisions from time to time). Also exceptional footwork for a guy his size. He's got a career in the NBA. With the right coaching and development he'll be very good. Bucks could pick him up and they'd sell out of his jersies in a heart beat.
I'm torn on Dekker. I do think in a more open offensive system he'll be better than he has been under Ryan - but I think top 10 may be a bit high. He is a better athlete than he gets credit for, and a legit 6'8 ish small forward.
His NBA comparison would be Chase Buddinger (sp?) - who has had a decent enough NBA career, but nothing special.
Homerboy
Lifer
If Frank made it to the Bucks... the jersey sales would be out of this world. And I'd be first in line (and I hate the NBA!)
Frank will need to put on some serious weight/muscle and toughess. His footwork is amazingly good -- he can do a 1 step, drop step from the FT line and get a layin. It's uncanny.
Gigantopithecus
Diamond Member
Nuts. They almost won everything: B1G regular season, B1G tournament, ending the asinine Kentucky hype, and the national championship. But there's not a team in this country that could've beaten North Carolina, Arizona, Kentucky, and Duke in four consecutive games.
It's going to be fun watching Dekker and Kaminsky in the NBA.
Between Hayes and Koenig alone, we'll be competitive in the B1G and almost certainly at least make the tournament next year.
But I'm much more excited about Michigan returning to form next year...they're gonna be good.
It's going to be fun watching Dekker and Kaminsky in the NBA.
Between Hayes and Koenig alone, we'll be competitive in the B1G and almost certainly at least make the tournament next year.
But I'm much more excited about Michigan returning to form next year...they're gonna be good.
Homerboy
Lifer
Read any mock draft, and they have Dekker in top 15 or top 10 and his stock gotten higher and higher with his performance the past couple of weeks. Dekker will be very solid in the NBA. He's a smart, 6'9" forward that can handle the ball and shoot the 3/FT. Not to mention he grew 2" in the past year or so... he was 6'7" last year.
Homerboy
Lifer
That's the crazy thing. No team... EVER has beaten chalk the whole way through. Badgers were 7pts away from it. Crazy. The road they traveled was arguably the hardest in NCAA history and fell a few possessions away from arguably the best NCAA tournament ever.
Gigantopithecus
Diamond Member
Hair dye and cosmetic surgery are not the fountain of youth.
Atomic Playboy
Lifer
He traded all the vowels in his name for eternal youth.
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