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neegotiator said:
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/201...cs-game-2-the-lebron-james-travel-that-wasnt/

don't have exact NBA wording for a travel, but case is being made it wasn't a travel but a jump stop.
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Jump stop? lol. Here's the NBA rules:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling_(basketball)

NBA
For the 2009-10 season, the NBA modified its rule regarding traveling to update antiquated language.[1]

NBA Official Rules (2009-2010)
Rule 10, Section XIII—Traveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
-A player who receives the ball while he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before his second step. The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball. The second step occurs after the first step when the other foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
-A player who comes to a stop on step one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he jumps with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor.
-A player who lands with one foot first may only pivot using that foot. A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.
c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
e. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
f. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
g. A player may not be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his backboard, basket ring or another player.
h. Upon ending his dribble or gaining control of the ball, a player may not touch the floor consecutively with the same foot (hop).
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Seems like both d. and h. were violated. It would've been no different if he had gathered the ball for a layup. He cannot leave the floor with his pivot foot, come back down on it, and then go up again. It's classic traveling and that's plainly what LBJ did.
 
cheezy321 said:
You do know the referees make the traveling calls, correct? How does that make LBJ a douche?

If you could get away with it, why not do it?
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some other reasons:

a. backed out of the dunk contest after agreeing to it.
b. wants to change his number to "honor" MJ, oh really? Why didn't he do it 7 years ago?
c. faking an elbow injury
 
TastesLikeChicken said:
Jump stop? lol. Here's the NBA rules:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling_(basketball)


Seems like both d. and h. were violated. It would've been no different if he had gathered the ball for a layup. He cannot leave the floor with his pivot foot, come back down on it, and then go up again. It's classic traveling and that's plainly what LBJ did.
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http://www.nba.com/videorulebook/category.html?cid=76

looks like a legal jump stop according to vid rulebook. you're supposed to be able to stop your dribble by going off one foot and landing on both simulatenously. from there if you lift either foot you have to release the ball.

i'm no lebron fan and aware he travels without it getting called, but this particular instance looks legal when comparing to the legal jump stop example
 
neegotiator said:
haha wow, might make mike woodson go crazy enough to shave his eyebrows again
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Seriously...has a coach ever been fired during the playoffs? This is pathetic. I'm still fuming that Chicago with it's inbred front office kept John Paxson and fired a young coach that took a young, raw team into the playoffs and played their freaking hearts out.
 
neegotiator said:
http://www.nba.com/videorulebook/category.html?cid=76

looks like a legal jump stop according to vid rulebook. you're supposed to be able to stop your dribble by going off one foot and landing on both simulatenously. from there if you lift either foot you have to release the ball.

i'm no lebron fan and aware he travels without it getting called, but this particular instance looks legal when comparing to the legal jump stop example
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If that's the case then they need to change their written rules because those rules clearly don't allow for a "jump stop."
 
That was clearly not a travel on LeBron.

The Hawks have no offensive scheme whatsoever. I don't know if I have ever seen them run a play.
 
I can honestly say I've never heard of a "jump stop". I guess it's been close to 15 years since I had any formal basketball training and I don't ever remember that being a term or something that was allowed then. Is that something new?
 
vi edit said:
I can honestly say I've never heard of a "jump stop". I guess it's been close to 15 years since I had any formal basketball training and I don't ever remember that being a term or something that was allowed then. Is that something new?
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it's been around for awhile i believe, also called a pro hop.

i.e. - MJ highlight vid you can see same basic concept where goes off one foot onto both feet, then goes up for a jump shot off both feet. at around :20 and :54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vByeOp8Bwic

but ya, way rules are written and way this is called aren't clearly aligned. i'm sure euro ball doesn't allow, not sure about college as i don't watch much of that.
 
vi edit said:
I can honestly say I've never heard of a "jump stop". I guess it's been close to 15 years since I had any formal basketball training and I don't ever remember that being a term or something that was allowed then. Is that something new?
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I'm 37 and grew up playing hoops. Jump stop has been around as long as I've been playing and longer than that. The problem is almost no one actually stops on both feet anymore, so it's technically travelling. Especially in the NBA; the stars jump stop has more or less become an excuse to use an extra step.
 
TastesLikeChicken said:
If that's the case then they need to change their written rules because those rules clearly don't allow for a "jump stop."
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why do they need to change the rules? do you have a rulebook at hand when you're watching the game? custom of the game easily supplements the rules and informs the refs/players about what is acceptable.

most people who watch or play basketball know what a pro hop/jump stop is. if you grew up shooting on peach baskets then I would understand. otherwise, don't let rabid hatred for lebron turn you into a stickler for the "rules" who ignores the facts of the game.
 
wkabel23 said:
why do they need to change the rules? do you have a rulebook at hand when you're watching the game? custom of the game easily supplements the rules and informs the refs/players about what is acceptable.

most people who watch or play basketball know what a pro hop/jump stop is. if you grew up shooting on peach baskets then I would understand. otherwise, don't let rabid hatred for lebron turn you into a stickler for the "rules" who ignores the facts of the game.
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The first NBA game I ever attended a guy named Lew Alcindor was playing so I've seen a bit of basketball in my time.

I know what a jump stop is. I lol because it's bullshit. IF the refs applied that rule equally to all players I wouldn't have a problem with it. The fact is though that the only players that can actually get away with it are guys with names like Kobe and LeBron. There's also the fact that the written rules don't allow for a "jump stop," "pro hop," or whatever ridiculous label someone wants to apply to a travel to make it sound legit. If you have the ball in your hand(s) when your pivot foot goes up in the air and you come back down on it with the ball still in your possession, it's a travel according to the written rules, simple as that. If the NBA wants to throw a caveat into the written rules to accomodate a jump stop I'm fine with that. As it stands right now it's nothing more than an unwritten exemption that provides preferential treatment.

btw, I don't have any rabid hate for LeBron. He can be a dick sometimes but, so what? He's one of the best players the NBA has ever seen. He has a certain right to dickishness. He doesn't, however, have a right to have special rules applied to him but it happens all the time; particularly when he lowers his shoulder and bulls right through people, crab dribbles, and jump stops.
 
A jump stop is really no different than taking 2 steps for a layup. Either you pick the ball up and take 2 steps and lay it up, or you pick it up and take 2 steps simultaneously (jump stop) and then lay it up.
 
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