If you don't really care about the collectibles in the Xbox 360 Hardened Edition, but do want a good deal on the Elite subscription, buy the game at Kmart. You can get the game plus 4000 MS points for $59.99 + $29.99 = $89.98. Plus you'll get $15 gaming credit for you next purchase (valid Nov 13-23). Use the 4000 MS points to buy a Elite Subscription, and you'll still get the Founder status as if you bought a Hardened Edition or a Elite Scription card. That's a pretty sweet deal right there. Plus buying Uncharted 3 or Lord of the Rings: War in the North from Kmart this week will net you a $20 coupon which would make MW3 $20 cheaper. Best deal if you're looking to pay cash/cc but can't find a Hardened Edition