Official Modern Warfare 2 thread

[Queasy]

"Crash" map comparison between COD4 and MW2

 

[Kabob]

We have similar taste in maps. Highrise is good, but could be so much better. There's just too many places to camp and too many nooks and crannies, especially for such a small map. Vacant (COD4) was a SWEET map. I cleaned up more on that map than any other. It was sick. I'd put Backlot right behind Crossfire as my #3, and Strike was good, too.

You shouldn't have ditched the CoD 4 map pack so quickly, you'd have loved Broadcast. Putting up with Chinatown (which 60% of the time was voted to skip) and Creek was worth it.

Overall we have pretty close taste in maps although I don't much mind Wasteland, Afghan, or Scrapyard (really the only MW2 map I truly dislike is Underpass, it's just difficult to see!)

The most popular suggestion for the next installment after COD4 was more killstreaks. It was on the tip of everyone's tongue: we could get something after 7 kills... we want to pilot an AC130. So IW focused on fulfilling that demand, but to accommodate that, the maps had to be changed drastically. You needed larger maps with more open spaces to support the new killstreaks.

I don't think anyone (IW or the fans) thought about the consequences of changing map design so much from COD4 to MW2. Making matters worse was a better-tuned game engine that allowed for more "stuff". Many of MW2's maps are filled with so much debris and clutter; it's sometimes difficult to see your targets as a result. If you'll notice, the new maps are stripped of all this crap. Storm is a bloody FANTASTIC map, but when you really stop to look at it, it's a relatively simple layout with very little eye candy (yet it still looks very nice).

CoD 4 was great because it was so balanced. The issue with MW2 is that if you can get a few quick sequential kills you can turn into a killstreak machine the way they have it set up. I sort of like having killstreaks end at 7 personally. They definitely put too much junk in the game.

Unreal went through similar growing pains. When Epic went from UT99 to UT2k3, they had a brand new engine to play with. UT2k3's maps were stuffed to the hilt with garbage, static meshes, and eye candy galore. The game was wholly rejected immediately by fans, because a) you couldn't move around very well, and b) you couldn't see people very well. MW2 suffers from the same problems, just not as much.

Epic did it again with Gears of War. They promised that GoW 2 would be "Bigger, Bloodier, and more Badass!" and they delivered...to the point that I thought it was just stupid. Gears of War 1 was phenominal, Gears 2 I sold in under a month.

Seems like devs are on a roll of producing way too much eye candy in-game and not worrying about making games fun/stable. GoW 2 was absolutely plagued with connection issues when it was released as well.

Playlist crappiness aside, I will pay IW $15 every 3 - 4 months if they can keep cranking new maps out like the ones in this last pack. The only original MW2 maps I care to keep are Karachi, Invasion, and Highrise. You could probably make compelling arguments for Quarry and Derailed, too. Scrapyard can get in line right behind Wasteland and Afghan to lick my nuts.

Meh, I don't mind any of those maps much. From best to worst MW2 maps I'd rank them as:

Highrise
Terminal
Sub Base
Skidrow
Favela
Karachi
Scrapyard
Derailed (camp fest though)
Rundown
Invasion
Estate (This SHOULD be better than it plays out)
Afghan
Wasteland
Quarry
.
.
Rust
Underpass

Wasteland is a decent map but the issue is that it seems most people feel that the tunnel is somehow key to victory when in reality it's a freaking death trap. I need to go into a game with a group of friends and have everyone completely avoid the tunnel all together to see how it plays out (I think I'd be sniped about 200 times but oh well).

 

[GCS]

Rust on the bottom ??? Come on I actually like that map. Matches are short but intense. Plus it rarely comes up in the rotation when I play.

I agree with your first 2 MW2 maps but then toss in Invasion, Rundown, Sub Base, and Scrapyard after that take your pick as I can go either way on the remaining maps (except Karachi would be next to last ... I just don't care for it for some reason). Least favorite for game play is Underpass but I enjoy its "atmosphere" the most (much like I enjoy the winter atmosphere of Sub Base).

Greg

 

[ciproxr]

they updated the playlist's and now the new maps are showing up under domination! woooohoooo i was starting to believe i wasted my money

 

[Kabob]

they updated the playlist's and now the new maps are showing up under domination! woooohoooo i was starting to believe i wasted my money

They should be on all playlists now.

 

[BD2003]

"Crash" map comparison between COD4 and MW2

Surprised how different they look - the COD4 version has much better texturing and specular effects.

On the other hand, I shouldnt be that surpised - IW is not the kind of dev thats going to let anything go to waste on the system - I'm sure they used every KB of RAM available to them. MW2 has quite a bit more weapons than COD4, so something has to give if theyre going to squeeze the same map into a smaller memory footprint.

It's too bad we cant upgrade the ram in our consoles. 🙁

I wonder how it'll play out on the PC side of things, without that limitations.

 

[tfinch2]

I played a round on Crash last night. One thing I noticed was in the store (I guess) looking out toward the center of the map (To the left of B: http://awaitingrequiem.com/image/cod4/overhead_views/sd/mp_crash.jpg), the lightning was blown out and it was diffcult to see anything. On MW1, I found that to be a pretty good spot.

 

[SR1729]

This map pack has completely rejuvenated MW2 for me. Not quite the same crack addiction intensity as COD4, but close. It's funny: when a COD4 map comes up, I go from ~1.5:1 to KILLEVERYONEANDPAINTTHEWALLSWITHTHEIRBLOOD:1.

It's sick. Oh, and UMP > *.

 

[Kabob]

My scores are typically lower on the new maps, then again other than two or so hours on Tuesday night I haven't been able to play.

 

[basslover1]

My scores are typically lower on the new maps, then again other than two or so hours on Tuesday night I haven't been able to play.

I'm at a disadvantage because I never owned COD4, just played a few times at a buddy's house. I remember playing Crash and Overgrown, but not enough to be familiar with them.


I do OK on them, nothing great. I figure just like the MW2 maps, after a week or two of consistent playing, I should pick up on things quickly.

 

[YoungGun21]

I played a round on Crash last night. One thing I noticed was in the store (I guess) looking out toward the center of the map (To the left of B: http://awaitingrequiem.com/image/cod4/overhead_views/sd/mp_crash.jpg), the lightning was blown out and it was diffcult to see anything. On MW1, I found that to be a pretty good spot.

Yea if you are deep in that room you can't see out at all. I get what they were going for, but it really is too much.

 

[Kev]

So I let my friends talk me into wasting $15 on this pile of fucking dogshit. I've tried 4 times and every time the aptly named "Crash" map attempts to load, my xbox freezes. I don't know if I even care enough to complain to XBL support. All I know is I'm done with IW and anything they shit out in the future.

 

[mugs]

All I know is I'm done with IW and anything they shit out in the future.

Do you promise?

 

[SR1729]

Do you promise?

🙄

He paid $15 for a pack that freezes his Xbox. He has a right to be pissed.

 

[mugs]

🙄

He paid $15 for a pack that freezes his Xbox. He has a right to be pissed.

🙄

Did I say he doesn't?

Go back and read the rest of the thread, then you'll understand my comment.

 

[Kev]

...

 

[SR1729]

🙄

Did I say he doesn't?

Go back and read the rest of the thread, then you'll understand my comment.

Who lit the wick on your tampon?

 

[Kabob]

So I let my friends talk me into wasting $15 on this pile of fucking dogshit. I've tried 4 times and every time the aptly named "Crash" map attempts to load, my xbox freezes. I don't know if I even care enough to complain to XBL support. All I know is I'm done with IW and anything they shit out in the future.

Not sure how the DLC is freezing your 360 but w/e.

Do you promise?

Heh, +1

Who lit the wick on your tampon?

I'm with mugs on this one...he's thrown in the perverbial towel quite a few times already yet somehow keeps coming back...

Kev, methinks that as much as you love to hate on the game you secretly can't get enough of it. :awe:

 

[Kabob]

So, I forgot about how cheap/amazing Danger Close is. I was reminded this morning.

The match after I unlocked it was on Underpass, my least favorite map. Spawn on the Militia side and head right towards the forklift. Make my way up towards the TF141 side and a sniper pops me from waaaaaay to the left (near their center building?). So I respawn and head the same direction. Notice alot of shooting from near the dumpster and shoot an M203 up there.

..

+850! (4x kills + multikill bonus)

Sahweet! So I reload the M203. Wait and see another guy round the corner a few seconds later (maybe one of the guys I just killed). Shoot another M203...

+450 (2x kills + double kill bonus)

I duck down and call my predator, unfortunately the guy I am at runs inside so I get nothing with that. Out of M203's but enjoying the explosioney mayhem. Pull out my AT4 and aim at the same place where I've just got 4 kills. I see a guy hiding behind the dumpster and fire...

+450 (2x kills + double kill)

Call in my harrier and get 1 with the bombs and a few with the gun. Call in Pave Low and it and harrier get killed instantly.

Amazingly enough is despite that and an overall solid performance my team was absolutely stomped...

Oh well, still lots of fun.

 

[SR1729]

I'm with mugs on this one...he's thrown in the perverbial towel quite a few times already yet somehow keeps coming back...

We all do that, though. Rubbing a guy's face in his own frustration (over the Internet) seems equally as lame to me. So he gave it another shot. I did, too 😉

 

[mugs]

We all do that, though. Rubbing a guy's face in his own frustration (over the Internet) seems equally as lame to me. So he gave it another shot. I did, too 😉

Sorry, I was just looking forward to a thread with less complaining. 😉

 

[Kabob]

Oh, and one more thing. On Salvage the TF141 team has a big advantage. It's not starting location or anything, it's clothing. They blend in REALLY well with all the garbage/destroyed cars while the Militia sticks out like a sore thumb. I had a ton of issues killing a guy who was camping in the midst of a bunch of cars because I couldn't distinguish what was him and what was car...

 

[Kev]

Not sure how the DLC is freezing your 360 but w/e.



Heh, +1



I'm with mugs on this one...he's thrown in the perverbial towel quite a few times already yet somehow keeps coming back...

Kev, methinks that as much as you love to hate on the game you secretly can't get enough of it. :awe:

I think we went over this before, but since you obviously forgot, I only "gave up" on it once. If you would like to go back and find a quote of me saying otherwise, please do. Either way, w/e. I'll refrain from making any more negative comments since it gets you and mugs all butthurt

 

[Kev]

Sorry, I was just looking forward to a thread with less complaining. 😉

Then start a forum where people are only allowed to say what you want to hear.

 

[PimpJuice]

People whined about GOW2, but MW2 has/had just as many problems. I'm glad I'm done with this game......it was getting a bit boring anyway. I'm loving the new FREE Bad Company maps though. It seems that game has much more teamwork.

To each their own I guess