Adul
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Just caught the movie before I went into work today. I enjoyed it despite some of the holes mention.
I want a APU
I want a APU
That's pretty much exactly as I feel. They introduced way too many characters that barely advanced the plot at all. The first Matrix was tight. Every second of the movie had a huge impact on the plot. These last two have way too many useless scenes that bring nothing to the table besides some pseudo-philosophy. I don't have a problem with philosophy, but everything should advance the plot first, not advancing the philisophical meaning of the movie first and advancing the plot as an after-thought, if at all.
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After re-watching the Animatrix, I think it's safe to assume that the machines would keep their word because of what they wanted in the begining. As a short synopsis for the Animatrix:
* Machines become sentient
* A machine revolts against human control(kills owner)
* Further machines peacefully protest(million machine march)
* Humans attempt to destroy machines
* Machines create their own city away from everyone, Zero-One(this is likely the Machine City you saw)
* Machines build powerful economy, become dominant economic force on earth; humans feel threatened for power
* Machines sense this, send envoy to UN to establish peace; the humans will have nothing to do of this
* Humans attack Zero-One
* Machines counter-attack
* Humans black the skies
* Machines win, improvise for power
So, it would seem to me the machines are unlikely to go back on their word; they finally got what they wanted originally: peace.
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bladewalker, the train station was really "pointless".
You say Morpheus isn't a central character anymore, what more did you want him to do? Be sent to Machine City when Neo's the only one who could stop Smith? Morph was already in the club scene, the train scene, the scene's of flying the Hammer with Niobe... did you expect him to blindly run out during the Zion battle scenes, mentally destroy Sentinels like Neo, and proclaim: "Maybe I'm the one???!" Seriously.
It seems like you really haven't thought about the ending at all. Did you really take the sunset at face value and think it was a "Hollywood" ending, la da di everyone's happy, let's go home? Or did you actually listen to the conversation, understand the irony of the sunset, understand the significance of the girl and her role in the Matrix, and comprehend that humans have won freedom of choice b/c of Neo's actions?
As mentioned before, I didn't fully understand why the little girl was introduced in the movie. It wasn't explained that well in the movie. All I know is she was important enough for Seraph to protect her, with possibility that she could be the next Oracle. So the train station significance is dependant on her role in the film. Her being involved in the movie seems to reinforced the idea that machines can "love" too and produce an offspring (sort of). To me that just sounds corny. Trainman == corny also.
Yes, I wanted Morpheus to do more. He fills the leadership role really well in the 1st and 2nd Matrix. Here, he is just along for the ride. You are happy with it. I'm not. He should be flying the Hammer. When they reached Zion, Morpheus should be leading the fight for their lives. The Zionites and the counselor have confidence in him in Reloaded, why wouldn't they rally behind him in Revolutions? I'm not saying those are the best ideas, but they could have written the story different to involve him more.
The sunset does not fit the overall feel of the movie. For face value it felt like it was tacked on the last minute. Please, explain away the irony of the sunset. Lets see if it helps to take away that feeling. So now the little girl program control the sun and has a purpose in the new Matrix. Whoop-ti-doo.
Just like Reloaded, Revolutions will produce many theories. Some really good, far-fetched, or just awful. You can dress the cheese how many ways you want, but it's still cheese. No amount of explanations will let me forgive the bad acting, the many cliches used, and the poor transition from one movie to the next. I went in Revolution with not-so-high expectation too. That being said, it still has one of the best f/x of any movie for people to watch. So you won't find me trying to persuade anyone not to see it.
What, and this movie wasn't cheesy? Are you serious? How about any of the dialogue in the entire movie? Examples:
- "C'mon, gimme a chance, sir! I won't let you down!"
- "What if you knew the only way to see Dozer again was to get out there and fight. What would you do?" "I'd be making shells."
- "Some things change." "But some things never do." (I hated this the first time I heard it in the last movie)
- "The war is over! Zion is free! Neo did it! The war is over!" (how the hell do they know the machines aren't just regrouping or something?)
- "I wanted to tell you I love you. Kiss me, one last time."
Jesus Christ, I actually felt sick to my stomach after hearing some of that absolute sh!t. My assessment of the third installment:
The overall plot: Pretty damn good
The special effects: The best anyone's ever done
Philosophical Depth: Still there
Direction/Cinematography: Beautiful
BUT:
Character depth: Horrible, non-existent
Dialogue: Terribly cheesy, cliched, enough to destroy a perfectly good story
It was worth my time and 4 bucks to see the movie, but only once. I cannot tolerate dialogue that insults my intelligence, even if all of the other elements do not.
Originally posted by: BladeWalker
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bladewalker, the train station was really "pointless".
You say Morpheus isn't a central character anymore, what more did you want him to do? Be sent to Machine City when Neo's the only one who could stop Smith? Morph was already in the club scene, the train scene, the scene's of flying the Hammer with Niobe... did you expect him to blindly run out during the Zion battle scenes, mentally destroy Sentinels like Neo, and proclaim: "Maybe I'm the one???!" Seriously.
It seems like you really haven't thought about the ending at all. Did you really take the sunset at face value and think it was a "Hollywood" ending, la da di everyone's happy, let's go home? Or did you actually listen to the conversation, understand the irony of the sunset, understand the significance of the girl and her role in the Matrix, and comprehend that humans have won freedom of choice b/c of Neo's actions?
As mentioned before, I didn't fully understand why the little girl was introduced in the movie. It wasn't explained that well in the movie. All I know is she was important enough for Seraph to protect her, with possibility that she could be the next Oracle. So the train station significance is dependant on her role in the film. Her being involved in the movie seems to reinforced the idea that machines can "love" too and produce an offspring (sort of). To me that just sounds corny. Trainman == corny also.
Yes, I wanted Morpheus to do more. He fills the leadership role really well in the 1st and 2nd Matrix. Here, he is just along for the ride. You are happy with it. I'm not. He should be flying the Hammer. When they reached Zion, Morpheus should be leading the fight for their lives. The Zionites and the counselor have confidence in him in Reloaded, why wouldn't they rally behind him in Revolutions? I'm not saying those are the best ideas, but they could have written the story different to involve him more.
The sunset does not fit the overall feel of the movie. For face value it felt like it was tacked on the last minute. Please, explain away the irony of the sunset. Lets see if it helps to take away that feeling. So now the little girl program control the sun and has a purpose in the new Matrix. Whoop-ti-doo.
Just like Reloaded, Revolutions will produce many theories. Some really good, far-fetched, or just awful. You can dress the cheese how many ways you want, but it's still cheese. No amount of explanations will let me forgive the bad acting, the many cliches used, and the poor transition from one movie to the next. I went in Revolution with not-so-high expectation too. That being said, it still has one of the best f/x of any movie for people to watch. So you won't find me trying to persuade anyone not to see it.
I think after they let Neo and Trinity take the Logos, Morpheous lost a lot of credibility, as none of the counsel was particularly convinced of the whole "One" thing anyways. I think he was tolerated, for his leadership and track record, but more like the spoiled athlete that hits 60 Home Runs or scores 80 goals... all through Reloaded it seemed that counsel was simply petting him on the head.
think he had done all he could possibly do at that point... anything else, would have been completely out of character for him... he's the lover, not the fighter...
Overall, i liked the movie, and love the series, i'm just dissapointed at how many questions where left unanswered.
What i dont understand is that:
1.) Is the matrix cycle complete now, or is it going to keep on going like the architect said in the second one?
2.) If humans are free to leave, then wont the machines lose their source of power?
3.) exactly who is the oracle benfiting, the matrix or the humans?
What i dont understand is that:
1.) Is the matrix cycle complete now, or is it going to keep on going like the architect said in the second one?
2.) If humans are free to leave, then wont the machines lose their source of power?
3.) exactly who is the oracle benfiting, the matrix or the humans?
1. the cycle will continue as was stated before.
2. all humans wont leave. some will and others will stay. like cypher wanted in part 1.
3. she was programmed to iron out the bugs in the matrix to perfect it. just so happens that by doing that, it created peace with the humans.
i saw it on tuesday morning at 10:30 and again today. Overall I did like it more the 2nd time BUT overall I don't think it was done too well especially comapred to the first movie!!!!!!!!!!!! A lot of holes, a lot os shameless ties to the first just for the awe effect, cheesy ending, and just over all not matrix 1 worthy. I don't even think they did a good job tieing it into the 2nd movie!!!! Also soemone tell me exactly what the "last exile" was all about?!?!
How are the humans "free to leave" The Matrix when they don't know they're in the Matrix to begin with? At least most of them anyways.
I know this is not related to the frustration at the end of Revolutions, but after watching some of the first and second movies again, I noticed the Smith copy effect seemed very similar to what Neo experienced after swallowing the red pill (he touched the mirror, the piece of the mirror began covering his body and Trinity said something about replication). I know there's probably no connection, but I thought I'd mention it. Oh, and I've read this entire thread so far and I still haven't heard a good explanation as to why Neo has powers in the real world. Any plausible explanations?
I feel The Matrix trilogy was better as a concept.
The first movie was great because it was brand new, fresh, original (at least to me). It didn't get into the absolute specifics of it but the idea that there is a world within a world excited everyone. It's (almost literally) "thinking outside the box."
The second movie was good because it didn't have to deal with the complexities of the story's end, so it could mainly focus on action and basic plot movement. The Architect was a fairly weak scene, but overall the movie was very enjoyable. However, it left a great deal of storylines and theories to tie together and eliminate.
The third was a stuttering mess (from horrible, to cheesy, to great, to good, and backagain). It was enjoyable but I'm not impressed with what they did.
Usually movies that span 3 seperate films have some sort of climatic conclusion. A simple peace agreement isn't excatly my diea of a thrilling ending.
My idea of an ending would basically involve Neo entering the computer network, and acting as a virus (a la Smith) to control them. It would bring AI back into humanity's control, as it once was, and thereby allow people to return to the surface. With the advanced technology they could clean up the atrocious lingering clouds and storms and so on and so forth.
If nothing more, it would bring some definition to the series. The given ending is halfway to a "...and then I woke up" ending found in children's books.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the third movie, but mainly because I didn't pay for my ticket.
My $.02
The first movie was great because it was brand new, fresh, original (at least to me). It didn't get into the absolute specifics of it but the idea that there is a world within a world excited everyone. It's (almost literally) "thinking outside the box."
The second movie was good because it didn't have to deal with the complexities of the story's end, so it could mainly focus on action and basic plot movement. The Architect was a fairly weak scene, but overall the movie was very enjoyable. However, it left a great deal of storylines and theories to tie together and eliminate.
The third was a stuttering mess (from horrible, to cheesy, to great, to good, and backagain). It was enjoyable but I'm not impressed with what they did.
Usually movies that span 3 seperate films have some sort of climatic conclusion. A simple peace agreement isn't excatly my diea of a thrilling ending.
My idea of an ending would basically involve Neo entering the computer network, and acting as a virus (a la Smith) to control them. It would bring AI back into humanity's control, as it once was, and thereby allow people to return to the surface. With the advanced technology they could clean up the atrocious lingering clouds and storms and so on and so forth.
If nothing more, it would bring some definition to the series. The given ending is halfway to a "...and then I woke up" ending found in children's books.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the third movie, but mainly because I didn't pay for my ticket.
My $.02
Yeah, but I bet they weren't on the floor, either. I think that the best argument for the Star Wars series is that it's a kids series, but that each trilogy were products of their time. In the 70s and 80s you had Drak Crystal, Goonies, Willow, Neverending Story was that they had fairly solid plots, almost never talked down to their audience, had good cross generational appeal, and were about the story that they told. Now, you have movies that are about merchandizing foremost, special effects second, and plot almost a distant last. What sophistication and depth they once had have long gone out of them, to be replaced by conservative, forcus-group generated rehash. Yes, you still get the odd innovative movie nowadays, but a LOT of them are sorley lacking.
As to Revolutions, I thought it ended the only way it really could. Well, not really; I wanted the Oracle and Architect to mention that the humans in Zion never clued in to the fact that they were still in the Matrix, just at another level of it. Yes, it's been done before (13th Floor, eXistenZ) but here it would have made just as much sense. It would have been a much nicer explination of Neo's powers in the Real World than his "psychic link" with the Source Code. It would better have explained how his predecessors worked, and Zion itself worked (ie, the selected humans having no memory and recording nothing about the last fall of Zion). And it would have made more sense as to why the machines just didn't get the hell off Earth and set up shop in orbit. It would have better explained how Smith could take over Bane, too.
Though I do like what was suggested for the very end, that Neo wakes up in front of his computer and it's all a dream. Or was it?
The beginning of this movie sucked, IMO. A waste of 20 good minutes with the whole Trainman arc. I mean WTF?! Really. No explination how he got there and it's totally irrelevant to anything later on except to humanize the programs and give us a cute little child actress. It was excessive, unneeded, and it should have gone.
The Messiah figure, Neo, had to die, that's all there is to it. Not only is that an accepted part of the role, but it's convient in terms of story. What would you do with a messiah afterwards? Dune did a pretty good job providing one answer for that. Dennis Leary alo has a great skit where he compares Jesus to an aged Elvis that kind of answers that question, too. ("I'm going to hell for that bit. And you're all coming to with me!") Yeah, it sucks that Trinity bought it as well. Would have liked to have her live, but then she'd likely return to Zion as a disciple of Neo. Really, the whole jeudo-christian structure at the end was a bit much for a franchise that made its name on the blending of religions and philosophies. I mean all the crosses, and the machine represented as a glowing angle... come on.
Yes, some of the battles were protracted a bit much. The hanger battle for Zion did rule, though, no question! I did still want to see The Kid die a heroic death, however. I just wanted to see him die in general, of course, but the heroic death part would have just fit into the movie.
I can't believe the number of people who didn't get how Smith was Killed by Neo, though. IMO, it was not that hard!! The Oracle -- who had nothing to do with it -- told Neo that Smith was his equal and opposite, a negative image of what Neo was. Right then I knew they'd have to merge and cancel each other out. Matter and anti-matter. While that didn't happen EXACTLY, it was certainly close. The reason that the Smith clones exploded was that the Source had a direct link into Smith for the first time though Neo and were able to finally wipe out Smith's program. Anyone with any real programming experience knows what happens to forked and threaded processes when the parent is killed. Before they were defeated by the middleware of the Matrix, which, due to the fact that exile programs can live undetected in it, shows that the machines don't have total control there. But having Neo plugged in through THEIR system, they gained the exclusive access and control they needed to end things.
The machines then returned everything to the way it was, so that the simulation could continue working and they could continue surviving. What happens after? Do machines and humans actually start working together or do humans just go about surviving? No idea and I hope we never find out. That's part of the mystery. Matrix was not about The War, it never was. It was about The One. And that story is finished. If you want a story about The War, go to Animatrix or the sequels and comics that they're planning.
For those that DIDN'T like the ending, do tell, what would you have perfered instead? I threw this out in the poll thread and no one has responded yet.
Oh, and am I the only one disappointed that the Ghost Twins weren't back in this one?
-- Jack
Just on that level, I?d have to call Frankenstein Island the poorer film.
Still, it?s like debating whether Willie Mays was a better ballplayer than Lou Gehrig
-- Jabootu's Bad Movie Dimension, Frankenstien Island
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i thought the oracle said neo had a link to the source, and therefore he could "sense" the machines. that would explain why he felt it first after the encounter with the architect so his powers where only machine-related nothing else.
- something else got me thinking. in the flight to the machine city neo says that there are too many of them and in a short cut in golden colors we see how neo gets a machine in his body. what was that?
- also i didn't really get the trainstation thing in the beginning. where do they come from to get into the matrix?
- neo saw seraph in golden code and he sees every machine golden after he's blind. any connection here? is seraph something like a jacked in machine?
damn i have to see it again
i thought the oracle said neo had a link to the source, and therefore he could "sense" the machines. that would explain why he felt it first after the encounter with the architect so his powers where only machine-related nothing else.
- something else got me thinking. in the flight to the machine city neo says that there are too many of them and in a short cut in golden colors we see how neo gets a machine in his body. what was that?
- also i didn't really get the trainstation thing in the beginning. where do they come from to get into the matrix?
- neo saw seraph in golden code and he sees every machine golden after he's blind. any connection here? is seraph something like a jacked in machine?
damn i have to see it again
Other than a take off of the Final Fantasy movie, I have no idea...
(What a waste of a trilogy)
After thinking about it a little bit, i;ve come to the conclusion that the matrix is one of those movies thats designed to leave a lot of questions unanswered; not just about the ending, but about the characters. Yes, a lot of characters seem to appear out of nowhere, but i believe thats what the brothers where going for, not because of a rushed movie and poor plot.
A lot of people bitch about the trainman being a waste, and strictly in the sense of the thirs movie, it probalby was, but i think that the trainman as well, as the little girl fit the whole mystery feel of the series. If you tihnk about it, throughout the entire series the idea of "choice" is hammered, and if one was to analyze every aspect of the series, you could conceivably come up with any ending that you wanted to, because it all depends on you an individual interprets the series. The choice is up to the viewer on the outcome of the movie.
Anyone can claim anything that they want, but as far as i'm concerned, theres no solid evidence that supports any single ending theory; especially that of a matrix within a matrix. People are looking waaaaaay to far into it. Given the style that it was directed in, the Matrix is one of those movies that is going to be whatever you make it out to be, nothing more, nothing less.
A lot of people bitch about the trainman being a waste, and strictly in the sense of the thirs movie, it probalby was, but i think that the trainman as well, as the little girl fit the whole mystery feel of the series. If you tihnk about it, throughout the entire series the idea of "choice" is hammered, and if one was to analyze every aspect of the series, you could conceivably come up with any ending that you wanted to, because it all depends on you an individual interprets the series. The choice is up to the viewer on the outcome of the movie.
Anyone can claim anything that they want, but as far as i'm concerned, theres no solid evidence that supports any single ending theory; especially that of a matrix within a matrix. People are looking waaaaaay to far into it. Given the style that it was directed in, the Matrix is one of those movies that is going to be whatever you make it out to be, nothing more, nothing less.
I just found out something cool.
The background music during the credit roll has some Hindu "shloks" (similar to pslams from the Bible), and one of them means "take me from unreal to real, take me from darkness to light(knowledge), take me from death to immortality, let there be peace" which makes sense given the context of the movie.
I thought it was pretty cool and I loved that song. It's called "navras" (the song not the shlok). They fused Christian holy music (atleast thats what I think it is in the beginning) with Indian/Hindu classical/religious vocals/instruments and then added some techno to it. Very cool.
Btw, the actual line in sankrit is "om asato maa sadgamaya.. tamaso maa jyotir gamaya.. mrityor maa amrtam gamaya.. om shaanti shaanti shaanti"
The background music during the credit roll has some Hindu "shloks" (similar to pslams from the Bible), and one of them means "take me from unreal to real, take me from darkness to light(knowledge), take me from death to immortality, let there be peace" which makes sense given the context of the movie.
I thought it was pretty cool and I loved that song. It's called "navras" (the song not the shlok). They fused Christian holy music (atleast thats what I think it is in the beginning) with Indian/Hindu classical/religious vocals/instruments and then added some techno to it. Very cool.
Btw, the actual line in sankrit is "om asato maa sadgamaya.. tamaso maa jyotir gamaya.. mrityor maa amrtam gamaya.. om shaanti shaanti shaanti"
Huh? I didn't see ANYTHING wrong/cheesy w/ those lines while watching the movie. If you're gonna view everything cynically, then one could contrive anything to be cheesy, right?
Morpheus lost his "power" beceause his faith was shattered. Think of it, the prophecy that you've lived and breathed for your entire life was just a lie to further the machines control.
Leaving Morpheus to the side was a good way of showing how weak he was.
The little girl was not "controlling" the sun. She was the machines version of the emotion "love".
I think the main fault of the last two movies was the amount of time spent in the real world. They could have made the trilogy more simple, yet more complex at the same time had they not spent so much time showing humans dance, but showing that the answer was actually in the Matrix, not outside of it.
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Especially considering everyone in the matrix should be dead because Smith took over them, right? So if they're entering new people into the matrix, are they going to go asking people in Zion to volunteer? Maybe grow babies in the matrix for now and when they get older ask them if they feel like leaving? How did the machines still have power after Smith took over all the people inside the Matrix, killing them all?
I liked Matrix 1 and 2... , but Matrix 3 was just disappointing .. I thought would give a closure to everyone's argument on what's going on.
Matrix 3 could've easily had an "OHHH, I GET IT" type of ending.. but no.. they had to make it another.. "WTF?!" story.
The war scene was way too long
- I think it was cool, how many tiny monsters were coming in and all, but I think they could've improved on this part. Maybe different weapons, different special effects.. come on.. T-1000 from T2's more interesting than this.
Why did Smith die?
- So my co-workers tell me..
- Neo is a "hybrid" that exists both in the Matrix and real world.. he's tied to everything..
- Agent Smith took over Neo..
- The machine killed Neo, and since Neo is tied to everything.. Agent Smiths all died.. made no sense to me.
I personally think.. they could've had the most random *ss ending and people would've just started picking up parts and have their own theories on why it happened.. What a bunch of crap..
Matrix 3 could've easily had an "OHHH, I GET IT" type of ending.. but no.. they had to make it another.. "WTF?!" story.
The war scene was way too long
- I think it was cool, how many tiny monsters were coming in and all, but I think they could've improved on this part. Maybe different weapons, different special effects.. come on.. T-1000 from T2's more interesting than this.
Why did Smith die?
- So my co-workers tell me..
- Neo is a "hybrid" that exists both in the Matrix and real world.. he's tied to everything..
- Agent Smith took over Neo..
- The machine killed Neo, and since Neo is tied to everything.. Agent Smiths all died.. made no sense to me.
I personally think.. they could've had the most random *ss ending and people would've just started picking up parts and have their own theories on why it happened.. What a bunch of crap..
virtuamike
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I can't help it if I had high expectations. I loved the originality of the 1st film and the 2nd did a great job of trumping up questions and setting up Revolutions as the end-all finale to the struggle of man vs machine. If they didn't want me to expect anything then they should've made the 1st 2 films suck. I'm not a critic that's hard to win over (Face/Off has loopholes and loose ends like you wouldn't believe but I love the film purely as a fan of action flicks), but I can't help feeling disappointed by the way Revolutions tried to end things. They should've picked a more fitting name, perhaps Matrix: Regurgitation, Matrix: Refund My Ticket, or Matrix: Rescue The Watchowski Bros from Silver, the Hollywood Money-Leaching Machine, and the RIAA, for revolutionary this film was not.
When Neo sees the Oracle and asks why she didn't tell him the truth, she tells him because you weren't ready, it wasn't time. It takes Neo 2 hours and $10 of my money to realize hey, I'm supposed to go back to the source - had I done that in the last movie, lots of people would've lived. At least I'm spared the horror of watching Keanu's pale ass on a 50 ft screen again.
That being said, I liked the action. Lots of CGI, lots of stuff blowing up, lots of big booms and bangs. My 2 big criticisms of it as an action flick, not enough boobies ( :lips: :heart: Monica Bellucci) and I really hate the way they just wrote off a lot of the characters (if they're not important, they're supposed to die, see Predator for reference). Felt like everyone was just along for the ride, Silver with Bruckheimer's incredible storytelling skills. Better put, it was more of a Silver production than a Wachowski flick, think Lethal Weapon 4 but with better special effects.
I can't really think of any trilogy that came close to perfect. Jedi, BTTF 3, and Godfather 3 are all classic examples of Hollywood stretching too little substance into a 3rd and final chapter. Indiana Jones is the closest in my book, but my $$$$ is on LOTR:ROTK to break all the rules and end the Hollywood curse, hopefully the closing chapter in the one trilogy to rule them all
When Neo sees the Oracle and asks why she didn't tell him the truth, she tells him because you weren't ready, it wasn't time. It takes Neo 2 hours and $10 of my money to realize hey, I'm supposed to go back to the source - had I done that in the last movie, lots of people would've lived. At least I'm spared the horror of watching Keanu's pale ass on a 50 ft screen again.
That being said, I liked the action. Lots of CGI, lots of stuff blowing up, lots of big booms and bangs. My 2 big criticisms of it as an action flick, not enough boobies ( :lips: :heart: Monica Bellucci) and I really hate the way they just wrote off a lot of the characters (if they're not important, they're supposed to die, see Predator for reference). Felt like everyone was just along for the ride, Silver with Bruckheimer's incredible storytelling skills. Better put, it was more of a Silver production than a Wachowski flick, think Lethal Weapon 4 but with better special effects.
I can't really think of any trilogy that came close to perfect. Jedi, BTTF 3, and Godfather 3 are all classic examples of Hollywood stretching too little substance into a 3rd and final chapter. Indiana Jones is the closest in my book, but my $$$$ is on LOTR:ROTK to break all the rules and end the Hollywood curse, hopefully the closing chapter in the one trilogy to rule them all
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