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Hammer

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i saw it yesterday. i'm a little disappointed. parts were slow. very little story, just a lot of special effects. good special effects, but still. it didn't have quite the "flow" of the first one.
 

wviperw

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There's all sorts of stuff blacked out on the matrix site.

Besides that hex code there's also 0x98765432 blacked out lower down the page. Not to mention "Know the code." and others.
 

C'DaleRider

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Just an aside.........is Trinity pregnant? Sure looked that way when Neo pulled the bullet out of her............
 

Kev

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
By the way, in regards to EMPs and their effects on biological tissue:

Current-day EMP technology relies on microwaves to provide the "knockout punch" that disables the electronics. Microwaves excite water molecules. Humans are 50-70 percent water. Please make the connection yourself.

Low intensities would have little effect due to the relatively short duration of the pulse (less than a millisecond) but a powerful enough discharge or short-range blast would do some serious damage.

- M4H

then please, oh please tell me why only neo was affected and NOBODY else. It wasn't an EMP.
 

MC Webster

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That's it? It just means Enter The Matrix? Why would they make a big deal out of that?

Is there any groundbreaking blacked out stuff on The Matrix website that gives any hints about the truth?
 

slydecix

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Originally posted by: MC Webster
That's it? It just means Enter The Matrix? Why would they make a big deal out of that?

Is there any groundbreaking blacked out stuff on The Matrix website that gives any hints about the truth?
no, it doesn't mean "Enter the Matrix", it's a hack code for the Enter the Matrix VIDEO GAME

 

wviperw

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I was thinking a little more about the different layers of matrix and whatnot...

Why are we stopping at just two layers of the Matrix? In fact, why are we stopping at six or seven layers as well? Think about it--Neo ASSUMED the world in which he was living as Thomas Anderson was reality. Then, Neo (and us) ASSUMED that the world in which Zion exists is reality. Coming away from the second movie, we are ASSUMING this Zion world is also a layer of the Matrix, and that there is still a reality which Neo will be able to get to.

So what if there isn't. What if the reality which the humans in the Matrix so desparately try to attain is unattainable? What if there are an infinte number of Matrixes?

Is that worth fighting for? Is that worth dying for? ;)

But seriously, I think thats a possible direction Revolutions might go as well. It wouldn't be your typical Hollywood ending and would be somewhat depressing, but I think it'd be a cool direction to take.
 

LeeTJ

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Originally posted by: wviperw
I was thinking a little more about the different layers of matrix and whatnot...

Why are we stopping at just two layers of the Matrix? In fact, why are we stopping at six or seven layers as well? Think about it--Neo ASSUMED the world in which he was living as Thomas Anderson was reality. Then, Neo (and us) ASSUMED that the world in which Zion exists is reality. Coming away from the second movie, we are ASSUMING this Zion world is also a layer of the Matrix, and that there is still a reality which Neo will be able to get to.

So what if there isn't. What if the reality which the humans in the Matrix so desparately try to attain is unattainable? What if there are an infinte number of Matrixes?

Is that worth fighting for? Is that worth dying for? ;)

But seriously, I think thats a possible direction Revolutions might go as well. It wouldn't be your typical Hollywood ending and would be somewhat depressing, but I think it'd be a cool direction to take.

and that's what i was hinting at when i mentioned "brazil" i guess most of you guys don't remember that film.
 

paladin1234

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the machines never needed more than 2 matrices. You can assume that no one ever doubted the "real world" was actually real because the creator guy said one for 99% of the population, and Zion for the rest. Now, how could the machines destroy Zion 6 times and let the humans rebuild it 6 times? If it weren't another matrix, how could Neo have stopped the sentinals? (couldnt be EMP, the other ship would have shorted out itself since it was still flying) Its just a more secure matrix that puts doubters into a coma. And if Neo were a program, wouldnt he notice in his own code when he looks at part of himself? The oracle is just a program to assist the "one" to get rid of the humans in Zion. Wouldn't the machines in the real world have some way of killing all the humans that woke up from the matrix (like KILLING THEM instead of just disconnecting the tube from Neos head like in the first movie). I think the next movie will have some sort of irrefutable proof that they truly find the real world.
 

Maverick

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whew! Just read this whole thread. Saw the movie last night and I gotta say I loved it. I don't care how fake the fighting scene with Neo, the pole and 200 Smiths looked...it was entertaining.

I agree with everyone that says the "real world" is just another layer. I almost don't want to believe that though because it makes it seem like it would be even more difficult for the humans to ever truly win.

One point that I'm surprised no one has brought up is the role of the counselors of Zion. That scene where Neo talks to the counselor...the counselor kinda makes it seem like he thinks the humans and machines need each other. Maybe everyone on the council is actually a program designed to keep the Zionists from progressing far enough to truly defeat the sentinels and control the "real world" layer of the matrix. Just another form of control by the machines.

Still I can't wait for all these questions to be cleared up in Revolutions.
 

cpals

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Originally posted by: wviperw
I was thinking a little more about the different layers of matrix and whatnot...

Why are we stopping at just two layers of the Matrix? In fact, why are we stopping at six or seven layers as well? Think about it--Neo ASSUMED the world in which he was living as Thomas Anderson was reality. Then, Neo (and us) ASSUMED that the world in which Zion exists is reality. Coming away from the second movie, we are ASSUMING this Zion world is also a layer of the Matrix, and that there is still a reality which Neo will be able to get to.

Isn't there another movie that has something like this? The people are actually in a double virtual world... I think it was called The Thirteenth Floor..?

 

StageLeft

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Taking that into consideration I decided to relax a bit as I watched the movie, try to enjoy the fight scenes to the fullest extent and I pity those who don't like them just because they look to CGI of which they don't because I bet you couldn't tell a CGI Smith next to the real smith in the fight scene with 100 smiths. the only reason it looked fake was because there were so many Smiths that looked completely identical and Neo was doing impossible feats, put those two together and our mind cannot relate such a thing as being completely possible. Had they made 99.9% perfect clones of Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith) and had all 100 fight right infront of you you wouldn't think that it looked real either, especially if they were moving faster and jumping higher than humanly possible.
You're reaching and I disagree. Quite frankly the CGI at parts of this movie was subpar. We've seen better in star wars and lord of the rings. If you still don't believe that parts of the CGI were subpar you can load up the reloaded trailer that shows one of the agents on the highway scene as he jumps on the hood of a car. It goes slow motion and if you can't see the cartoonish aspect to the character your eyes need to be checked. I've seen better and you've seen better.

Good CGI for the 100 smiths may have been difficult with all that was going on but it could have been done. However, excusing that there is simply no reason for the agent on the hood of that car to look so bad. It was the worst CGI I've seen in recent times and utterly unacceptable for a movie of this supposed caliber and budget. Check out the trailer if you need reminding. Then go watch lord of the rings - perhaps the cave troll in LOTR1 or those orc-dogs in LOTR2. The contrast is huge. The scene was rushed and I am surprised it was let through on Matrix R.
 

Taggart

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From Roger Ebert's review of TMR a few days ago:

"That will not prevent fanboys from analyzing the philosophy of "The Matrix Reloaded" in endless Web postings."

Teehee:D

You guys are great!
 

Joker81

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Who else thought the dance scene was just dumb. Except for the see through t-shirts, even then it was still bad.
Everyone that was complaing about the CGI on the freeway in the apple.com trailer. Its not even noticible. On the apple trailer going underneath the truck it looked bad but on the screen i couldn't see it. OMG that truck crashing was the awesomist sh1t eva.
 

policy11

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I found it, compared to the first, quite underwhelming. It was a connect the dot of fights with a weak plot at best. Plus the fighting just frankly got boring. It was a big wire string mess and the CGI for the fight with the bar at one point I was sure I was looking at a real time render of what they must use on the console version of the matrix game.

Not to sound too harsh because the movie was ok, just a dissapointment for me and I think that a lot of people are going to find it was less to them than the first. Certainly in no hurry to see it again.

My thoughts exactly.
 

slydecix

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Taking that into consideration I decided to relax a bit as I watched the movie, try to enjoy the fight scenes to the fullest extent and I pity those who don't like them just because they look to CGI of which they don't because I bet you couldn't tell a CGI Smith next to the real smith in the fight scene with 100 smiths. the only reason it looked fake was because there were so many Smiths that looked completely identical and Neo was doing impossible feats, put those two together and our mind cannot relate such a thing as being completely possible. Had they made 99.9% perfect clones of Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith) and had all 100 fight right infront of you you wouldn't think that it looked real either, especially if they were moving faster and jumping higher than humanly possible.
You're reaching and I disagree. Quite frankly the CGI at parts of this movie was subpar. We've seen better in star wars and lord of the rings. If you still don't believe that parts of the CGI were subpar you can load up the reloaded trailer that shows one of the agents on the highway scene as he jumps on the hood of a car. It goes slow motion and if you can't see the cartoonish aspect to the character your eyes need to be checked. I've seen better and you've seen better.

Good CGI for the 100 smiths may have been difficult with all that was going on but it could have been done. However, excusing that there is simply no reason for the agent on the hood of that car to look so bad. It was the worst CGI I've seen in recent times and utterly unacceptable for a movie of this supposed caliber and budget. Check out the trailer if you need reminding. Then go watch lord of the rings - perhaps the cave troll in LOTR1 or those orc-dogs in LOTR2. The contrast is huge. The scene was rushed and I am surprised it was let through on Matrix R.
It's easier to pick out unrealistic aspects when the 3d model is of a human... have you ever seen an orc-dog in person? I'll admit some of the movement was a little awkward, like the way the agents bounced back after being hit by the neo, but the detail on the faces were amazing. After an awkward movement, it'd focus on the face, which then seemed like they fused clips of animation with live-motion segments when in reality, it's all computer generated.
 

Taggart

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Did anyone catch the cameo by Cornell West on the Council? He was "Councilor West." He's a famous professor at Harvard or Stanford specializing in African-American studies. He's on Fox News and CNN all the time commenting on racial issues.

Are there any other cameos that anyone could tell?
 
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I found it, compared to the first, quite underwhelming. It was a connect the dot of fights with a weak plot at best. Plus the fighting just frankly got boring. It was a big wire string mess and the CGI for the fight with the bar at one point I was sure I was looking at a real time render of what they must use on the console version of the matrix game.

Not to sound too harsh because the movie was ok, just a dissapointment for me and I think that a lot of people are going to find it was less to them than the first. Certainly in no hurry to see it again.

Are you my brother? I thought the same thing. the CG fight with smith was noticably CG. The movie was OK, but predictable.


 
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As far as noticing the CG, it's easy, the textures on the clothes wasn't right, and the hands are always a dead give away.

I also noticed the wire a few times, like in the fight with the keeper of the oracle.
To much wire-fu in the movie.
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
As far as noticing the CG, it's easy, the textures on the clothes wasn't right, and the hands are always a dead give away.

I also noticed the wire a few times, like in the fight with the keeper of the oracle.
To much wire-fu in the movie.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Look at me be a critical asshat!!! Whoooopeeeeee!

Let's try it this way - Since the first Matrix came out, has there been a SINGLE action movie that possessed anywhere near its intelligence and intensity?

No. Not a one. A couple came within a few miles, but none got close.

Unless I missed something completely in the last 4 years.
 

Unicron80

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Someone touched on this, but not sure if everyone was clear. It's all swirling around in my head, maybe I can make some sense of it if I typed it out.

In the first Matrix, Morpheus tells Neo there was someone before him, the one who freed the minds of the first inhabitants of Zion.

In Reloaded, the architect asks Neo to choose 23 people to inhabit the Zion of the 7th iteration of the Matrix.

In the first Matrix, Morpheus goes on to tell Neo that this previous "the one," who had the same powers as Neo does now, died.

In Reloaded, the Architect tells Neo he will die and the Matrix will be reset.


I think I got that straight, those are right out of the conversations of the movies with no conjecture. Correct me if I got something wrong, I've only seen Reloaded once.

Personally, I didn't catch much about Zion being a second level of the Matrix, but it does make sense. If that's the case, I believe Neo's coma in the "real world" (the second level Matrix) either means A) he's in a friggin coma from wasting those sentinals or B) He's found a way to jack in to the next level of the Matrix or *gasp* the "REAL real world."

I have no idea how Agent Smith works into this, but I have a strong feeling Marovingius (i know i spelled it wrong) will be coming back, and we will find out in Revolutions how strong he truly is. I just don't see them introducing yet another character in Revolutions.

I enjoyed the movie (the underground rave sucked) but it has it's flaws. I really want to see it again and again, it was a great ride. I went in with high expectations (was hard not to), but i'm also a realist and knew it couldn't pull off what the first one did.
 

Kev

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Originally posted by: Taggart
From Roger Ebert's review of TMR a few days ago:

"That will not prevent fanboys from analyzing the philosophy of "The Matrix Reloaded" in endless Web postings."

Teehee:D

You guys are great!

Nobody here has analyzed the philosophy in any way whatsoever. We're just talking about what is going on in the movie.

If we were to analyze the philosophy we'd be discussing the existence of free will and causal relationships, which is the philosphy that the movie tried desperately to pound into our heads.
 

Kev

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Originally posted by: MachFive
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
As far as noticing the CG, it's easy, the textures on the clothes wasn't right, and the hands are always a dead give away.

I also noticed the wire a few times, like in the fight with the keeper of the oracle.
To much wire-fu in the movie.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Look at me be a critical asshat!!! Whoooopeeeeee!

Let's try it this way - Since the first Matrix came out, has there been a SINGLE action movie that possessed anywhere near its intelligence and intensity?

No. Not a one. A couple came within a few miles, but none got close.

Unless I missed something completely in the last 4 years.

Nope, you haven't missed anything. These peoples' gripes with the special effects are on par with the blue-screen effect you cann notice while Merry and Pippin ride Treebeard in TTT. They're just being picky. Maybe it makes them feel special?
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: maladroit
Originally posted by: MachFive
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
As far as noticing the CG, it's easy, the textures on the clothes wasn't right, and the hands are always a dead give away.

I also noticed the wire a few times, like in the fight with the keeper of the oracle.
To much wire-fu in the movie.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Look at me be a critical asshat!!! Whoooopeeeeee!

Let's try it this way - Since the first Matrix came out, has there been a SINGLE action movie that possessed anywhere near its intelligence and intensity?

No. Not a one. A couple came within a few miles, but none got close.

Unless I missed something completely in the last 4 years.

Nope, you haven't missed anything. These peoples' gripes with the special effects are on par with the blue-screen effect you cann notice while Merry and Pippin ride Treebeard in TTT. They're just being picky. Maybe it makes them feel special?

Something like that. Like all the asshats (that is such a good word) who submit to the nitpickers site and point out stupid small errors in movies. "In one shot, the coke bottle was filled about 3/4, but in the next, it was full!" So f*cking what? How many hours did you waste paying more attention to the little crap than appreciating the movie as a whole?

Reloaded's CG wasn't perfect. Maybe they were trying to do too much with too little, too soon. But if you sit back, relax, and just let the film wash over you, it kicked freaking ass, CG Neo and Smiths and all.

Reloaded is the best Action movie since the first Matrix. Hands down. Or have I forgotten about some other ground-breaking action film in the last 4 years?
 

noxipoo

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Originally posted by: koolhand
So who was the kid that followed Neo around when he was in Zion?
Mouse? I thought he died?

the kid is from the animatrix, called kid's story. Neo saved him basically like he says in the movie, don't wanna tell you more, just watch the dvd when its out.