**OFFICIAL Masters Tournament Thread - Who's going to be the winner?**

[spidey07]

Montgomerie?

That focker will never win on our soil. Let's keep it that way. His mouth needs to be shut, damn no talent hack. I've watched him play and we proudly boo-ed his arse on every hole.

I hate the focker. He can't even hold a candle to Tiger.

 

[FreshPrince]

tiger tiger tiger woods ya'll :laugh:

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Montgomerie?

That focker will never win on our soil. Let's keep it that way. His mouth needs to be shut, damn no talent hack. I've watched him play and we proudly boo-ed his arse on every hole.

I hate the focker. He can't even hold a candle to Tiger.

I could see Monty winning a US Open or PGA on the right course set-up. Something short and tight is right up his alley. At Augusta though, no way. Too short off the tee and wrong shot shape.

PS, I hate him too.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
I could see Monty winning a US Open or PGA on the right course set-up. Something short and tight is right up his alley. At Augusta though, no way. Too short off the tee and wrong shot shape.

PS, I hate him too.

:thumbsup:

In you're opinion what shape does augusta favor? Tee and iron?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: crt1530
Historically, Woods has won 12/32 of the majors since his first win at Augusta National. Unless you know he's injured, how can you bet against him (assuming even money)?

Better question: Assuming even money, why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to bet on something that hits 12/32?

That's .375

In the Masters he's 4/10. (.400) And one could argue that he threw a couple of Masters and other majors away during those "fixing my swing" years.

Besides, who is playing better golf right now? Anybody? Beuller? If he's on his game he's untouchable. If you're betting Tiger against the field on an historical basis you might take the field as there is a 60/40 chance that someone other than Tiger will win. But looking at him lately... I'd reverse that.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
I could see Monty winning a US Open or PGA on the right course set-up. Something short and tight is right up his alley. At Augusta though, no way. Too short off the tee and wrong shot shape.

PS, I hate him too.

:thumbsup:

In you're opinion what shape does augusta favor? Tee and iron?

Augusta favors bombers. Big hitters have always done well there as the course favors distance over accuracy. The right shot shape is to a hit a draw off the tees, there are a lot of holes there that require that and very few where a fade is favored. And to win at Augusta you need to hit HIGH iron shots. Tiger, Jack, Arnie, Phil etc all hit towering approaches and that's the way to get balls to stop on those greens. Guys who hit it low like Trevino and Azinger have never done well there.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Why would anyone bet against Tiger Woods? There are no odds in the poll so if someone were to give you straight up odds in a bet and you could choose any golfer why choose otherwise?

 

[Lurknomore]

Greg Norman- he'll make a comeback after his split, mark my words.:shocked:
Unless of course, Larry Mize is chipping well...

 

[Tarrant64]

Today's the day!

 

[meltdown75]

w00t, going to following the scores @ work.

Go Weirsie!!

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Augusta favors bombers. Big hitters have always done well there as the course favors distance over accuracy. The right shot shape is to a hit a draw off the tees, there are a lot of holes there that require that and very few where a fade is favored. And to win at Augusta you need to hit HIGH iron shots. Tiger, Jack, Arnie, Phil etc all hit towering approaches and that's the way to get balls to stop on those greens. Guys who hit it low like Trevino and Azinger have never done well there.

Makes sense. With all the big elevation changes/wacky greens one would assume the high hitters have the advantage.

oh - prediction.....Tiger wins, -16. Two strokes over nearest competitor.

-edit-
About hitting a draw...that may be why Phil is doing so well in the Masters - when he misses, he misses left (fade for a lefty)

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Augusta favors bombers. Big hitters have always done well there as the course favors distance over accuracy. The right shot shape is to a hit a draw off the tees, there are a lot of holes there that require that and very few where a fade is favored. And to win at Augusta you need to hit HIGH iron shots. Tiger, Jack, Arnie, Phil etc all hit towering approaches and that's the way to get balls to stop on those greens. Guys who hit it low like Trevino and Azinger have never done well there.

Makes sense. With all the big elevation changes/wacky greens one would assume the high hitters have the advantage.

oh - prediction.....Tiger wins, -16. Two strokes over nearest competitor.

-edit-
About hitting a draw...that may be why Phil is doing so well in the Masters - when he misses, he misses left (fade for a lefty)

-16? I am thinking... -12, and 1 stroke over nearest competitor.

Has anyone taken a look at Hole No. 12? Looks to be a little challenging.

 

[Patt]

I tossed in Geoff Ogilvy as my champ ... though let's just say I won't be surprised to see that Eldrick fellow win it. He's got the length, creativity and touch with the putter to take it if he's on. He hits it high and straight most of the time, which should allow him to hold the greens. Inexperience might hold him back a bit, but hey,whatever.

My sentimental choice would be Mike Weir (as Melty mentioned) ... but I just don't think his game is in that sort of shape ... but a good finish might help to restore some confidence.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Augusta favors bombers. Big hitters have always done well there as the course favors distance over accuracy. The right shot shape is to a hit a draw off the tees, there are a lot of holes there that require that and very few where a fade is favored. And to win at Augusta you need to hit HIGH iron shots. Tiger, Jack, Arnie, Phil etc all hit towering approaches and that's the way to get balls to stop on those greens. Guys who hit it low like Trevino and Azinger have never done well there.

Makes sense. With all the big elevation changes/wacky greens one would assume the high hitters have the advantage.

oh - prediction.....Tiger wins, -16. Two strokes over nearest competitor.

-edit-
About hitting a draw...that may be why Phil is doing so well in the Masters - when he misses, he misses left (fade for a lefty)

Augusta also features some reachable par fives and not a lot of rough. They've added some length in recent years to make it tougher, but that really only favors the big hitters even more. Shorter hitters can't reach some (most? all? I haven't looked closely) of the par fives now, but Tiger and Phil etc can. Leaving out doglegs and such, just how long would a par 5 have to be to make it unreachable for those guys? 600+?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Even 600 isn't enough, especially if downhill, downwind or if there's any sort of dogleg that can be carried. 700 would be safe, 650 might be doable for the really big hitters. But you're right, the par 5's are the key to Augusta and stats show that par 5 dominance is the key to success on the entire PGA tour. The guys who play the par 5s the best do the best overall. If you look at Tiger's career stats over the last 10 years he's over par on the par 3s, about even on the par 4s and 1000 under on the par 5s and those stats mimic all the top players. Figuring a par 72 with 4 par 5s that's 16 par 5s in a tournament. The winner will often play them at 12-14 under and thats why he wins.

BTW, I don't see anything approaching -16 winning this week. That was a great score at the old Augusta without the extra length. With the course so much longer now we might never see that kind of scoring again. I'm figuring about half of that, -8 to win and if the greens are really firm something like -4 or -5 could do it.

 

[Gibsons]

I just looked at the weather forecast for Augusta, looks like it won't rain, but it won't be very windy either. Fairly neutral conditions I guess.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Augusta favors bombers. Big hitters have always done well there as the course favors distance over accuracy. The right shot shape is to a hit a draw off the tees, there are a lot of holes there that require that and very few where a fade is favored. And to win at Augusta you need to hit HIGH iron shots. Tiger, Jack, Arnie, Phil etc all hit towering approaches and that's the way to get balls to stop on those greens. Guys who hit it low like Trevino and Azinger have never done well there.

Makes sense. With all the big elevation changes/wacky greens one would assume the high hitters have the advantage.

oh - prediction.....Tiger wins, -16. Two strokes over nearest competitor.

-edit-
About hitting a draw...that may be why Phil is doing so well in the Masters - when he misses, he misses left (fade for a lefty)

-16? I am thinking... -12, and 1 stroke over nearest competitor.

Has anyone taken a look at Hole No. 12? Looks to be a little challenging.

i think those scores are a little low. over the past 5 years, tiger is only total -24 at augusta (20 rounds) and phil is -32.

i think the winning score will be around -9 for 4 rounds.

 

[Tarrant64]

Mickelson IS KILLING ME.

+5? He may not make the cut. No good.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Augusta has notoriously fast and tricky greens, if theres no rain this week it could get really ugly.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Mickelson IS KILLING ME.

+5? He may not make the cut. No good.

Mickelson isn't alone. Augusta is rearing it's teeth and it looks like things could get ugly this week if there's no rain to soften things up.

Mickelson +5 through 7
Els +5 through 8
Appleby +5 through 10

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Mickelson IS KILLING ME.

+5? He may not make the cut. No good.

Mickelson isn't alone. Augusta is rearing it's teeth and it looks like things could get ugly this week if there's no rain to soften things up.

Mickelson +5 through 7
Els +5 through 8
Appleby +5 through 10

Wish I had a TV right now. I'm really surprised at seeing them over EVEN.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Mickelson IS KILLING ME.

+5? He may not make the cut. No good.

Mickelson isn't alone. Augusta is rearing it's teeth and it looks like things could get ugly this week if there's no rain to soften things up.

Mickelson +4 through 8
Els +6 through 9
Appleby +5 through 10

Fixed.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Mickelson IS KILLING ME.

+5? He may not make the cut. No good.

Mickelson isn't alone. Augusta is rearing it's teeth and it looks like things could get ugly this week if there's no rain to soften things up.

Mickelson +5 through 7
Els +5 through 8
Appleby +5 through 10

Wish I had a TV right now. I'm really surprised at seeing them over EVEN.

There's streaming live coverage of Amen Corner at Masters.org

 

[spidey07]

Lol! Fuzzy Zoeller is playing in the tournament.

Go get 'em Fuzzy! Make the cut!

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Lol! Fuzzy Zoeller is playing in the tournament.

Go get 'em Fuzzy! Make the cut!

Urban?