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oznerol

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At first the game didn't grab me - I spent a good 20-30 minutes trying to create a character that I was happy with. I couldn't, really, but I settled with the best I could do. I played maybe an hour or so more, and I just couldn't get into it. The character you create looks different in-game and in-cutscenes than it does at the character creation. This really took me out of the game - add that to the fact that the combat was confusing and there's no real in-game "tutorial" - I was a bit disappointed.

So I get a bit further, maybe another hour, and start figuring stuff out. I learn the skills - which classes have what - which I like to use - which I like allies to have - how to get allies to use them - and I realize that I need to start over. The first 2 and a half hours of the game were my "tutorial".

I start a new game and instead of using the character creator, I use John Shepard - at least, I use his name and appearance. I picked the class I found interesting (Infiltrator - the tech/soldier hybrid). Immediately the game was different. John Shepard's appearance and animations grabbed me - I could get into the game, as it's an interesting character.

I'm now I think 13 hours into the game and I'm at level 30 or 31. The story is above average, but the writing and voice acting is phenomenal. The dialogue tree is a cool feature, although I dislike how sometimes the text you pick is almost irrelevant to what your character actually says.

Combat is interesting. You die. A lot. I can't think of a single time I got into a big battle right after a cutscene where I didn't die. This actually leads into another issue with the game - the broken save system. You need to save and save often. With the mass amounts of saving, I really wish there was a quicksave button. Having to load the menu and save after every battle/cutscene/doorway takes you out of the experience.

The inventory system is also designed poorly. I don't mind items not "stacking" - because you will inevitably have duplicates (and who needs 7 level 1 pistols, really?) - but what really irks me is the menu system to access, buy, sell, and "break down" items. The cursor moves too slowly - and cannot be sped up - and my biggest gripe is the fact that when you sell an item to a vendor, the cursor goes back to the top of the listing. This is especially annoying when you want to sell a group of items on the bottom of your list, and keep all of the ones on top. This actually doesn't happen when you just view your own item listing and "break down" the item to omni-gel, so I end up just doing that instead. And I don't even use the omni-gel, or really know what it does aside from being able to use it to hack things - which you'll never do since hacking is insanely easy (it's essentially a weak version of DDR for your fingers).

My biggest gripe with the game, though, is the simple fact that it is, almost entirely, KOTOR. It's like KOTOR 1.5. I'm actually wondering if this game was designed to be KOTOR 2, and then when Bioware lost the license they just moved it over to a new IP.

Also, the framerate is pretty bad all-around, but it's playable. There are times in thick battles where I've seen it drop to the single-digits, though. I think the people who notice this more are the ones who played KOTOR on the PC, as that game ran similarly on the original Xbox, but on a decent PC it ran just fine. Side note - I kind of liked the film grain filter, but I noticed a decent frame rate improvement when I turned it off, so I don't use it.

All that being said, it's a good game. The story doesn't have me on the edge of my seat, (though there's still more to go which may change my mind) but the game as a whole has definitely kept me entertained. It's actually a first time in a long time that I'm seriously considering playing a game through a 2nd time.


If you read all of that, kudos. Now some questions for you guys - what team do you use the most? I usually go with Wrex and the blue chick (I forget her name).

Second, what good is the first aid skill for allies? They never use med-packs - or do those bonuses apply when I use a med-pack? As far as I've seen there's no healing abilities - ie "cure" from KOTOR - am I missing something?

Third - after you beat the game and start a new one with your built-up character, can you change their class/appearance/anything? I'd like to start a new game as a biotic-only female, but I don't want to start at level 0.

Lastly, and I know I can find this out on a FAQ or something, but am I getting shafted for going the "middle ground" - not being all-Paragon or all-Renegade? Because I started off Renegade, but got a ton of Paragon points, so now I'm almost equal.
 

R Nilla

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Originally posted by: ducci
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If you read all of that, kudos. Now some questions for you guys - what team do you use the most? I usually go with Wrex and the blue chick (I forget her name).

Second, what good is the first aid skill for allies? They never use med-packs - or do those bonuses apply when I use a med-pack? As far as I've seen there's no healing abilities - ie "cure" from KOTOR - am I missing something?

Third - after you beat the game and start a new one with your built-up character, can you change their class/appearance/anything? I'd like to start a new game as a biotic-only female, but I don't want to start at level 0.

Lastly, and I know I can find this out on a FAQ or something, but am I getting shafted for going the "middle ground" - not being all-Paragon or all-Renegade? Because I started off Renegade, but got a ton of Paragon points, so now I'm almost equal.

I actually read all of that and agree with you on just about everything. I turned off film grain at the very beginning, so maybe that's why I didn't really encounter frame rate issues. It doesn't seem like it should make that big of a difference, but I guess every little bit counts.

1. I kept Tali on my team 90% of the time for her tech abilities (vs. the geth), for her electronics skill (for hacking into containers and things) since I was a Vanguard, and so I could at least get one of the party member achievements. I usually paired her with Wrex or Ashley. A few times I used Kaiden and Garrus together, and I almost never used Liara.

I think as a renegade I'll try to mainly use Wrex and Garrus to get those respective achievements, and also because I think they might have the most interesting responses to my bad actions. :)

2. AFAIK, the first aid bonuses apply when that character is in your party and you use medi-gel.

3. No, you can't change anything. You can just restart the game with the same character and everything you finished it with. Kind of a let down, but I think it makes sense. Any editing would essentially be creating a new character.

4. I don't think you are getting "shafted" necessarily for going the middle ground. From what I can tell, the biggest effect on the game that the Paragon and Renegade attributes have is directly affecting the amount of maximum Charm or Intimidate points you can earn for your character.

This in turn will affect what options are available in certain conversations (the option for each will be grayed out if you don't have enough Charm or Intimidate points, respectively), which furthermore can affect the outcome of certain situations in the game.

The biggest example is the ending, as one of the final conversations has Charm and Intimidate options, so if you don't have enough you won't be able to select that option and see that story. That's my take anyway, but I could be mistaken.
 

bl4ckfl4g

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I'm Vanguard and use Wrex and Tali.

It is a pretty leet team. I usually can take out a bunch of people right away with stasis, lift, and throw. Then shotgun ownage commences.

Do you get the weapon achievements when your party member kills someone with the required weapon or does it have to be you?
 

Guuts

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Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I'm Vanguard and use Wrex and Tali.

It is a pretty leet team. I usually can take out a bunch of people right away with stasis, lift, and throw. Then shotgun ownage commences.

Do you get the weapon achievements when your party member kills someone with the required weapon or does it have to be you?

Seems like it has to be you, so you're going to be playing it through again to get all the weapon achievements unless you picked a Soldier. I'm glad someone else besides me appreciates the shotgun. I love that thing!

My first run through as a Vanguard, I used Tali and Liara (though I got Liara kind of late in the game). I really like her biotic skills. I've been using Wrex more on my second playthrough, but I've built him as more of a tank... unfortunately whoever he's paired with takes a beating after I send him through the door as bait... keep the shield strength up on those light armor wearing squadmates.

And my current gripe, after one and a half playthroughs? After you get enough money to get the Spectre weapons, you really don't have to look at any other weapons again. Now, I'm playing again from Level 1 on Hardcore and haven't finished my 50-60 character, so there may be better weapons in that range, but once I got the credits for my Spectre pistol and shotgun, and money for a weapon a piece for my squad (though after a while you have so much money you can buy everyone all the weapons and not feel it), no more dealing with weapon management (and yes, in some ways a blessing and I liked having the nice weapons, but they were a bit too good maybe). Also some of the armors did the same thing once you actually found them, like the Colossus or the Predator series past VIII. Though damn if you could never find anything decent for Tali, huh? I realize it's because of the story of the Quarians, but still...

Anyway.. still, an amazing game, having almost as much fun being a badass renegade Soldier on my second playthrough as I did on my first! (though, yeah, the sidequest planets are REALLY old... but good for xp and CREDITS). Plus Hardcore is really tough, especially in the early levels. Can't wait for Insanity! *grin*
 

Bitek

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I really like it. I'm a vanguard and keep Tali, and switch between Wrex and Garrus. A few issues, but overall awesome 13hrs in. Would be nice to be able to control squad separately. I like Tali, but if I tank Garrus she gets fragged pretty fast, and my guys not that much of a tank either. Waiting for the "bitch, stay back and cast $hit while we kick ass" command update.

The Mako sucks to drive in a pinch, but if you get into your head that the direction of the stick just points to the direction you want it to go, it gets ok. Don't know why they decided to reinvent the wheel on veh controls tho. PITA. I thought it was cool driving on all the diff planets. Maybe will get tiring eventually, but they are so far pretty varied terrain-wise, and lend some good Monster Truck action, with rockets for extra airtime. The low grav planets give you more airtime, which is a nice touch.
 

Yreka

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Just finished my first playthough.
*stands*
*applauds*

what a great game. Onto my 2nd playthrough as the Renegade Soldier. My first time through was an Infiltrator. I liked the tech / sniper combo started slow, but picked up quite a bit later in the game.

One thing that bummed me out is that I missed out on my "ally" achievement. I literally had Wrex with me through the whole game, and Kaidan in all but 1 mission ( Brought LIara to see how the dialog went when fighting the Matriarch.) but no achievements.
 

R Nilla

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Supposedly to get the achievement you have to have your ally with you for 45 assignments and 15 missions to get the achievement.
 

tatteredpotato

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Originally posted by: Yreka
Just finished my first playthough.
*stands*
*applauds*

what a great game. Onto my 2nd playthrough as the Renegade Soldier. My first time through was an Infiltrator. I liked the tech / sniper combo started slow, but picked up quite a bit later in the game.

One thing that bummed me out is that I missed out on my "ally" achievement. I literally had Wrex with me through the whole game, and Kaidan in all but 1 mission ( Brought LIara to see how the dialog went when fighting the Matriarch.) but no achievements.

I have the same class, but use Level X Spectre Gear Sniper combined with high explosive rounds and you have one powerful long range rocket launcher.
 

Yreka

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Originally posted by: R Nilla
Supposedly to get the achievement you have to have your ally with you for 45 assignments and 15 missions to get the achievement.

Aah, that explains it then.. I saved quite a few of the assignments for my 2nd playthrough. Looks like I will most likely skip those achievements then.

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian

I have the same class, but use Level X Spectre Gear Sniper combined with high explosive rounds and you have one powerful long range rocket launcher.

damn, Ill have to try that.. I plan on going back to this career to get my lvl 50-60 points.
 

Cellulose

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Which class do you recommend? I am currently playing Soldier but I am only up until I have been around 45 mins inside the big ship thing :)

I kinda feel like biotics would be fun...am I missing much?

 

Yreka

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Originally posted by: Knobjockey
Which class do you recommend? I am currently playing Soldier but I am only up until around 45 mins inside the big ship thing :)

I kinda feel like biotics would be fun...am I missing much?

It seems like Vanguard is the most popular. Soldier / Boitics mixed, hard to go wrong there.

Remember though, you can fill in to some extent with your other squad mates. If you want t have Biotics as a soldier just use Kaiden, Wrex, or even better Liara when you get her. Set options to manually control squadmates, then you are all set.

 

bl4ckfl4g

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Originally posted by: Knobjockey
Which class do you recommend? I am currently playing Soldier but I am only up until around 45 mins inside the big ship thing :)

I kinda feel like biotics would be fun...am I missing much?

Vanguard is fun. Shotgun + Biotics FTW
 

R Nilla

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Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Originally posted by: Knobjockey
Which class do you recommend? I am currently playing Soldier but I am only up until around 45 mins inside the big ship thing :)

I kinda feel like biotics would be fun...am I missing much?

Vanguard is fun. Shotgun + Biotics FTW

I love Lift :thumbsup:

Playing as an Infiltrator on my second go, I must say the tech abilities are pretty cool too. I was surprised to see they also affect organics. I suppose they would have been pretty limited otherwise. So far it's almost impossible to use the sniper rifle. Need a to get a better gun and get my skill up.
 

Yreka

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Originally posted by: R Nilla
Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Originally posted by: Knobjockey
Which class do you recommend? I am currently playing Soldier but I am only up until around 45 mins inside the big ship thing :)

I kinda feel like biotics would be fun...am I missing much?

Vanguard is fun. Shotgun + Biotics FTW

I love Lift :thumbsup:

Playing as an Infiltrator on my second go, I must say the tech abilities are pretty cool too. I was surprised to see they also affect organics. I suppose they would have been pretty limited otherwise. So far it's almost impossible to use the sniper rifle. Need a to get a better gun and get my skill up.

Sniping gets MUCH better later in the game w/ better rifles and more skill points. Its almost useless right out of the gate.

 

KaOTiK

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Just finished for my first time through. Loved the game, the story and the lore really pulled me in. The dialog with the characters was great as well. I found the combat to be ok. When I was going about the story my character felt real weak, I'd die quick and such. So I decided to just go and explore all the worlds that weren't for the main story, ending up gaining a ton of levels and money then started back on the story, everything was a cake walk then even the last fights and such. Geth took 2-4 shots to kill with my pistol and I was running and gunning through them. When I finished I was lvl 42 or 43.

Great game overall but the combat system was the weakest point of the game imo. I was a bit disappointed by the length too, finished at around 25 hours? I know I missed a a few things but at most maybe another 5 hours. Guess I just have the old school mentality of 40 hours being the norm for rpgs at least.

 

CKDragon

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No other Adepts in the thread? I seem to always pick the mage/sorcerer/force user in the RPGs I play. I guess I just find it more interesting than playing a tank or tank/mage hybrid. I'll probably switch it up on my 2nd playthrough.

After 18 hours I'm around level 27. I've barely touched the main quest since I got out of the Citadel because I'm afraid I'll hit a point where I won't be able to go back and do some of the side-quests. (I haven't seen any spoilers, I'm just guessing from past RPG experience)
 

R Nilla

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Originally posted by: CKDragon
No other Adepts in the thread? I seem to always pick the mage/sorcerer/force user in the RPGs I play. I guess I just find it more interesting than playing a tank or tank/mage hybrid. I'll probably switch it up on my 2nd playthrough.

After 18 hours I'm around level 27. I've barely touched the main quest since I got out of the Citadel because I'm afraid I'll hit a point where I won't be able to go back and do some of the side-quests. (I haven't seen any spoilers, I'm just guessing from past RPG experience)

The way the story progresses, I thought I reached this point after Virmire. I thought I was screwed and couldn't do any more side quests, but luckily I was wrong. From what I can tell, all of the side quests are available up until the final mission (Ilos).

I wanted to play as an Adept the first time through, but I also wanted to be able to use at least a couple of the weapons (especially the shotgun), so I had to go with Vanguard. I think I'm the opposite and usually tend to choose brute force and weaponry over magic in RPGs. I had my character setup this way in Oblivion (some healing, but otherwise strictly brute force).
 

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Originally posted by: CKDragon
No other Adepts in the thread? I seem to always pick the mage/sorcerer/force user in the RPGs I play. I guess I just find it more interesting than playing a tank or tank/mage hybrid. I'll probably switch it up on my 2nd playthrough.

After 18 hours I'm around level 27. I've barely touched the main quest since I got out of the Citadel because I'm afraid I'll hit a point where I won't be able to go back and do some of the side-quests. (I haven't seen any spoilers, I'm just guessing from past RPG experience)

I basically agree - I like the casting classes, too, mainly because otherwise it's just a mediocre shooter with an interesting story.

But after playing a bit, it's best to choose the class that the AI of your teammates just can't do well - and they're great meat bags for diverting fire.

I picked infiltrator - if I could go back I would do the tech/biotic hybrid, though sniping is great.
 

SuperjetMatt

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I am almost done with my 2nd playthrough.
My infiltrator is at level 56 now.
This time he did Ashley (Liara last time). Not really that much different.
I am just slightly below 50 hours for both attempts (36 for the 1st)

It was a great game, but I think I'll sell it now.
 

Cellulose

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I just got to liara (I think) and theres that stupid battle master with his drones. This is the first planet I have visited and its impossible! I dont even have time to get to cover :)
 

CKDragon

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I beat it tonight in about 38 hours with a Paragon Adept. I played so much of the story, from Noveria through the end, today. I just finished up about a half an hour ago. I'm too tired to go into in depth impressions right now, but I'll just say that it was incredible.

Achievements aren't a huge deal to me, but it seems fitting that the 100gp I got for completing the first playthrough pushed me over 10,000gp total. Link
 
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I just got to liara (I think) and theres that stupid battle master with his drones. This is the first planet I have visited and its impossible! I dont even have time to get to cover

I went there as my first planet and it really is incredibly difficult at that point. The best solution is to sprint to your right when the cutscene (that you just watched for the 100th time) finishes. You can hide around the corner where the building is in the way of the large droid (battlemaster?). You can then wait for the drones to come round the corner and pick them off one at a time. Go for the battlemaster last of all, and make sure you use cover because it one shots you.
 

Guuts

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Originally posted by: Energizer Bunny
I just got to liara (I think) and theres that stupid battle master with his drones. This is the first planet I have visited and its impossible! I dont even have time to get to cover

I went there as my first planet and it really is incredibly difficult at that point. The best solution is to sprint to your right when the cutscene (that you just watched for the 100th time) finishes. You can hide around the corner where the building is in the way of the large droid (battlemaster?). You can then wait for the drones to come round the corner and pick them off one at a time. Go for the battlemaster last of all, and make sure you use cover because it one shots you.

This is a fairly difficult fight early in the game, especially if it's your first playthrough. The Krogan Battlemaster is very tough, particularly in the smallish space you're in since this one seems to love to rush you... just a warning, the Krogans are all very tough and you never want to let one get into melee range of you or you're gonna get flattened (and die). Lift is your friend with these guys.

But back to the fight...actually, cover is bad in this fight, in my opinion, since you really need to be fast, fast, fast in killing the drones. As soon as the cutscene ends, you should be hitting your right bumper and cueing up 2 (or 3 if you have them) attacks on the few drones that should still be right in front of you... Throw, Overload, really anything that will affect them, then pick a target, get a bead on it, and release RB, gun down your drone, and hit the bumper again to repeat this. You should be able to burn them down one at a time pretty fast, using biotic/tech attacks on the ones you're not currently shooting.

Leave any that go for cover for last on your target list, though biotic/tech attacks will affect them even behind cover (the "magic" attacks all have a radius effect). What I did with the ones that went for cover was simple: I rushed them. You have to clear the drones fast.

The Krogan will have run off and probably has been shooting your team from cover.... after his drones are gone and you start targetting/shooting him, he gets a bit upset and starts rushing you and your team. As I mentioned before, you MUST stay away from him.... hitting the A button to sprint helps if he comes after you. If he's not coming for you, the old "circle strafe" is good to keep him in your sights. It's not real smart to hold still for this guy, and he'll rush you in cover as well. Burn him down before he gets you...if he's rushing your squadmates, that's fine, he's leaving you to fire on him, and you have Unity to revive them if you need to.

This doesn't mean you shouldn't keep your eye on your squadmates' health, but early in the game, the reuse timer is pretty long on it and you'll probably only have one use out of it in this fight, unless you have Adrenaline Rush already (very handy for a second Unity then Heal).

Get used to using the right bumper! You can even use it to target enemies that were behind you when you paused...and you'll come back to the game aiming at them, which, yes, is kind of cheesy, but helpful.

That was kind of long, sorry.. hope it helped someone. Of course, there are various strategies for that fight, this was just the one that ended up working well for me both as a Vanguard and Soldier.