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Official "Marijuana is legal in CA" Countdown Thread ***UPDATE: California Sucks***

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Nik said:
The biggest problem is testing for it. How do you test for it? How do you know that someone's under the influence? A habitual smoker who wakes up sober and gets into his car to get some breakfast will pee 4000-6000+ on a pee test.

This is going to be the biggest point of contention.
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What is that ngTHC/mL?
 
Old Hippie said:
I was going to ask the same question.

Is 4000-6000 bad, uber bad, just over the line?
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I don't know the levels, but I do know that if you smoked only a couple days prior to a test, you will piss hot. You theoretically should piss equally hot whether you smoked the night before or three nights before.
Technically if you blazed in the morning, first time in a few weeks, then had a piss test - you might not actually test positive for the chemical and its metabolites... due to the way it is processed in the body.

There does indeed need to be some kind of way to test for usage that day, as opposed to usage days or weeks prior.
 
There does indeed need to be some kind of way to test for usage that day, as opposed to usage days or weeks prior.
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I'm sure someone/somebody/organization has stats on this...probably not specifics but I've been privy to some discussions between health professionals while discussing THC test results and they definately knew who tested "high" or "low" on a general scale.
 
erikistired said:
no, i just want that whole disaster gone. let it be someone elses problem.
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hahah, out of all the states you want to get rid of the best one? How about arkansas or alabama etc etc. Those states make so little money they actually take money from the other states to support themselves. California is one of the biggest economies on the planet and is where most of the modern internet/software world was created. California is probably the most influential place in the world at this time.
 
Old Hippie said:
I'm sure someone/somebody/organization has stats on this...probably not specifics but I've been privy to some discussions between health professionals while discussing THC test results and they definately knew who tested "high" or "low" on a general scale.
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But like I said, you could theoretically be high the day tested, and have a negative result, or possibly a low THC metabolite count if you hadn't smoked for awhile.
Yet someone who smoked the day before the test, but is sober during work, could have a higher count on the test.

It's a good test if you are looking for usage at any point in time, but not if you are screening between people who only smoke at home versus the people who smoke and are high at work.

When it is, at some point, likely to become a substance that is used like alcohol, where you enjoy a good toke after work (not necessarily to the point of getting stupid-stoned)... there has to be a way to screen out the users who stay completely clean during work hours. Some businesses probably wouldn't care if it was legal and you kept it at home.
 
BudAshes said:
hahah, out of all the states you want to get rid of the best one? How about arkansas or alabama etc etc. Those states make so little money they actually take money from the other states to support themselves. California is one of the biggest economies on the planet and is where most of the modern internet/software world was created. California is probably the most influential place in the world at this time.
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and yet it's broke. and full of hippies and deadbeats and worst of all, actors. if california disappeared the software world would be "created" somewhere else.
 
But like I said, you could theoretically be high the day tested, and have a negative result, or possibly a low THC metabolite count if you hadn't smoked for awhile.
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Absolutely!

I remember my brother (the DO) telling me there was testing avaliable for some drugs that showed length of time/tolerance thru blood tests?

Even that wouldn't show the latest consumption date for legal prosecution/defense.

It'll be a whole new ballgame!

Big money seems to always made at the beginning of a "new area of focus".

Is this the time to start gathering stats/info/information for this new area of law enforcement?

The Feds aren't gonna like it!
 
BoomerD said:
IIRC, legal to possess up to one ounce for personal consumption, and/or to grow up to 25 square feet of crop.

The law is pretty poorly written. I'm still not sure how I'm gonna vote, but quite possibly, I'll vote NO.

Re-write the law and bring it back...I'm NOT against the idea...but I do think the law needs to be better.
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Wat....
Compared to the stupid law we have now it is perfectly fine. Anything to undercut the black market is always a good thing.
 
Shame it won't be legal even if the proposition is passed.

Federal Law > State Law

and since somehow buying marijuana on your street corner is "interstate commerce" there is nothing California can do about it.

I mean if Obama & company is suing Arizona over their law which simply enforces federal law what will they do when California blatantly violates federal law?
 
Patranus said:
You really think the drug cartels are going to sit back and let their profits erode?
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What are they going to do? Bust down grannies door and take away her pot plant?
Are they going to go after legal pot growing cooperatives protected by police?
Are you %#@ kidding me? You might as well claim that the mafia were going to stop the end of prohibition... This law makes it legal for anyone over 21 to grow. That makes it completely impossible for the drug cartels to fight.
 
Patranus said:
Shame it won't be legal even if the proposition is passed.

Federal Law > State Law

and since somehow buying marijuana on your street corner is "interstate commerce" there is nothing California can do about it.

I mean if Obama & company is suing Arizona over their law which simply enforces federal law what will they do when California blatantly violates federal law?
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By federal law medical marajana is illegal. So what. Your example is fail, obama and co have turned a blind eye to medical marajana.
 
Nik said:
That's not the point. The point is it'll keep stupid cops from enforcing a stupid law and for no reason other than it being law.

Fucking pigs need to go bust some real criminals, the pussies.
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And I'm fine with that. Not sure what you're going on about or why you quoted me because I actually agree with you...well, except for the fucking pigs part.
 
0roo0roo said:
By federal law medical marajana is illegal. So what. Your example is fail, obama and co have turned a blind eye to medical marajana.
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Obama, yes, but during the Bush years, the feds prosecuted several medical marijuana co-ops for illegal drug sales. Granted, at least one of them was stupid about what they were doing...and probably crossed the line from providing legal medical marijuana to just selling dope...but the precedent has been set by the feds.
 
BoomerD said:
Obama, yes, but during the Bush years, the feds prosecuted several medical marijuana co-ops for illegal drug sales. Granted, at least one of them was stupid about what they were doing...and probably crossed the line from providing legal medical marijuana to just selling dope...but the precedent has been set by the feds.
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Obama hasn't stopped them either, BUT it has been much better since Obama took office.


Steve Cooley though, fuck him.
 
BoomerD said:
Obama, yes, but during the Bush years, the feds prosecuted several medical marijuana co-ops for illegal drug sales. Granted, at least one of them was stupid about what they were doing...and probably crossed the line from providing legal medical marijuana to just selling dope...but the precedent has been set by the feds.
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yea and max hardcore went to jail as well, it was a few targets for their political games. the rest were fine...

defacto legalization is the way forward. cuz politicians won't take the right position until they have no choice. even barbara boxer lefty libtard senator has the official position of being against prop 19...
 
So I see the Feds are coming out strongly against this. What will happen if 19 passes then. Legal in the state but federally illegal and a Fed government promising to keep it illegal. Would that mean you would be fine if a state officer caught you but screwed if caught by a fed officer? That's strange if so lol.
 
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