Official: Mack Brown whines his way into the BCS

[kalster]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: hdeck
i have lost ALL respect for aaron rodgers. read that article. he explicitly says the system is bad and THEN complains that mack brown did it. well fck you buddy, you're gonna lose to tech in the holiday bowl! and kalster is a worthless tool.

nice comeback champ

what aaron rodgers did (which is agree was uncalled for) was no worse than wat brown did , i dont care for either of them anyway

no worse? "wah wah mack brown shouldn't complain about the system....wah wah the system is bad" :roll: what a joke.

wah wah, he was begging for votes, did you see tubbervile whine like a baby or pete caroll whine at all last year, NO,

anyway, i havent seen texas (besides the 12-0 ownage by OU ) to definitevely say if they are better than cal or not,
i do agree with tedford though about it being unfair to penalize his team for not blowing out the team (they infact took a knee on the last play from what i understand).

i

 

[Farkshiatdamn]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
Both Texas and Cal deserve to be in... Everyone bitching on each side should point fingers at the BCS for allowing teams the calibur of Pittsburgh in...

There is no logical reason why a 8-3 team should be in one of the top four games in the nation.

It's just sad...

There's a very logical reason, this is all about $$$. The big conferences only care about the millions of dollars the BCS guarantees every year, they couldn't care less about the fans.

 

[Dragnov]

The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the media polls have never claimed to be nor have been accused of rationality.

but in this case, they might be. if a team disappoints they lose votes, and those votes have to go somewhere.

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the media polls have never claimed to be nor have been accused of rationality.

but in this case, they might be. if a team disappoints they lose votes, and those votes have to go somewhere.

They didn't play their best game certainly but they still won by 10 (easily could've been 17 if they wanted to.) Its not realistic to expect the better team to always have their A game and blow out weaker teams... this is evident in all forms of college and professional sport. A win is a win.

It's certainly not coincidence that 3 out of the 6 vote changes came from inside Texas and after the whining on national television.

Auburn and Cal both got robbed. I'm hoping the Rose Bowl gets pissed and puts further pressure on the BCS. Man thats a ton of money lost.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Dragnov
It's certainly not coincidence that 3 out of the 6 vote changes came from inside Texas

proof?

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Dragnov
It's certainly not coincidence that 3 out of the 6 vote changes came from inside Texas

proof?

1. The integrity of the polls comes into question. That Texas is playing in the Rose Bowl instead of Cal is not by itself an injustice. You can make plenty of arguments in favor of either 10-1 team. What is ridiculous is the way the Longhorns got in, sitting on their couch while Cal traveled across the country and won at Southern Miss -- but apparently not by enough for the tens of voters who moved Texas up and the Bears down in their final poll, knowing exactly what the ramifications were when they did it. "If you have to go in and blow people out," said Cal coach Jeff Tedford, "that doesn't serve the integrity of the game."

Among those who made the last-minute switch: writers in Austin, Dallas and Fort Worth, Texas. Many will wonder whether they and their counterparts in the coaches' poll succumbed to the lobbying efforts of 'Horns coach Mack Brown and/or pressure from their constituencies. "I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the [Texas A&M] game," said Cal QB Aaron Rodgers. "I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself."

From the following SI article
link

Guess it wasn't out of six. Not really sure what # is "tens of voters". I just pulled the number out of memory, and I thought it was six.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Farkshiatdamn

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: hdeck
i have lost ALL respect for aaron rodgers. read that article. he explicitly says the system is bad and THEN complains that mack brown did it. well fck you buddy, you're gonna lose to tech in the holiday bowl! and kalster is a worthless tool.

nice comeback champ

what aaron rodgers did (which is agree was uncalled for) was no worse than wat brown did , i dont care for either of them anyway

no worse? "wah wah mack brown shouldn't complain about the system....wah wah the system is bad" :roll: what a joke.

Great comeback, excellent use of this "logic" you keep talking about.

no you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. how can you honestly complain about someone criticizing the system and then critcize the system yourself? is that too hard for you to comprehend???

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the game last week was the first time most voters saw cal play. they didn't play well so they put texas above them. it's not that absurd at all.

 

[Anonemous]

so would it have mattered if Cal dominated that last game?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Dragnov
1. The integrity of the polls comes into question. That Texas is playing in the Rose Bowl instead of Cal is not by itself an injustice. You can make plenty of arguments in favor of either 10-1 team. What is ridiculous is the way the Longhorns got in, sitting on their couch while Cal traveled across the country and won at Southern Miss -- but apparently not by enough for the tens of voters who moved Texas up and the Bears down in their final poll, knowing exactly what the ramifications were when they did it. "If you have to go in and blow people out," said Cal coach Jeff Tedford, "that doesn't serve the integrity of the game."

Among those who made the last-minute switch: writers in Austin, Dallas and Fort Worth, Texas. Many will wonder whether they and their counterparts in the coaches' poll succumbed to the lobbying efforts of 'Horns coach Mack Brown and/or pressure from their constituencies. "I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the [Texas A&M] game," said Cal QB Aaron Rodgers. "I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself."

From the following SI article
link

Guess it wasn't out of six. Not really sure what # is "tens of voters". I just pulled the number out of memory, and I thought it was six.

ah, ok AP. the coach's poll doesn't release who did what.

anyway, the system is working exactly how the people that created it want it to, which is to keep people talking about college football all the time.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: Anonemous
so would it have mattered if Cal dominated that last game?

yes

 

[CWRMadcat]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the game last week was the first time most voters saw cal play. they didn't play well so they put texas above them. it's not that absurd at all.

Texas should not be gaining anything for not playing. Period. That sets a terrible precedent for an already shaky system. I respect the texas team, but their trip to the rose bowl was won with back office politics. Saying 26-16 (arguably 33-16) isn't "good enough" is the biggest load of bs i've yet to hear. Well 26-13 over A&M isn't exactly what I'd call a blowout either. The Pac-10 gets routinely shafted in the BCS. I don't even understand why the conference bothers.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Anonemous
so would it have mattered if Cal dominated that last game?

yes, if they would have won by 3 or more touchdowns they would have secured their bowl bid.

to clarify, i do think cal should be in a bcs game over a team like pitt. but people in the media have loved to hate on texas for years, and that pisses me off.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the game last week was the first time most voters saw cal play. they didn't play well so they put texas above them. it's not that absurd at all.

Texas should not be gaining anything for not playing. Period. That sets a terrible precedent for an already shaky system. I respect the texas team, but their trip to the rose bowl was won with back office politics. Saying 26-16 (arguably 33-16) isn't "good enough" is the biggest load of bs i've yet to hear. Well 26-13 over A&M isn't exactly what I'd call a blowout either. The Pac-10 gets routinely shafted in the BCS. I don't even understand why the conference bothers.

a&m is a top 25 team, southern miss is not

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the game last week was the first time most voters saw cal play. they didn't play well so they put texas above them. it's not that absurd at all.

Texas should not be gaining anything for not playing. Period. That sets a terrible precedent for an already shaky system. I respect the texas team, but their trip to the rose bowl was won with back office politics. Saying 26-16 (arguably 33-16) isn't "good enough" is the biggest load of bs i've yet to hear. Well 26-13 over A&M isn't exactly what I'd call a blowout either. The Pac-10 gets routinely shafted in the BCS. I don't even understand why the conference bothers.

a&m is a top 25 team, southern miss is not

 

[Dragnov]

Cal didn't look that great against So Miss.
Texas looked even worse against Kansas. A team that finished 3-7.

I could care less about Cal. (I hate Berkeley). But Mack Brown's whining got them the spot, thats all to it.

 

[CWRMadcat]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the game last week was the first time most voters saw cal play. they didn't play well so they put texas above them. it's not that absurd at all.

Texas should not be gaining anything for not playing. Period. That sets a terrible precedent for an already shaky system. I respect the texas team, but their trip to the rose bowl was won with back office politics. Saying 26-16 (arguably 33-16) isn't "good enough" is the biggest load of bs i've yet to hear. Well 26-13 over A&M isn't exactly what I'd call a blowout either. The Pac-10 gets routinely shafted in the BCS. I don't even understand why the conference bothers.

a&m is a top 25 team, southern miss is not

And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Anonemous
so would it have mattered if Cal dominated that last game?

yes, if they would have won by 3 or more touchdowns they would have secured their bowl bid.

to clarify, i do think cal should be in a bcs game over a team like pitt. but people in the media have loved to hate on texas for years, and that pisses me off.

that whole link of thinking in bs

you'd think if someone would have whined hard about how texas barely beat a joke of a kansas team they would have been left out too

whinning and getting in is the problem

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat


And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

if you haven't followed the polls, every team this year have gained points during their 'bye' week.

and it's not so much that texas has gained points on a scale, per se.. polls are comparative... cal lost a few points to texas because they did not prove, to the voters, that they were as strong as they should be


so why dont cal fans stop WHINING? want to get in the rose bowl? beat a mid-major team the way youre supposed to. boooo hooooooo

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: kalster


that whole link of thinking in bs

you'd think if someone would have whined hard about how texas barely beat a joke of a kansas team they would have been left out too

whinning and getting in is the problem

wait, remind me if cal won a 1 point squeaker over a mediocre team? oh, yeah, they did, too.

voters vote on most RECENT performance (kansas was BEFORE a&m)... thats the way college football voting has worked for 12938443 years.. it has nothing to do with texas. hey, do well on your final game and no problem.

usc this usc that. beat them, too, and you wouldnt have to complain would you?

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the game last week was the first time most voters saw cal play. they didn't play well so they put texas above them. it's not that absurd at all.

Texas should not be gaining anything for not playing. Period. That sets a terrible precedent for an already shaky system. I respect the texas team, but their trip to the rose bowl was won with back office politics. Saying 26-16 (arguably 33-16) isn't "good enough" is the biggest load of bs i've yet to hear. Well 26-13 over A&M isn't exactly what I'd call a blowout either. The Pac-10 gets routinely shafted in the BCS. I don't even understand why the conference bothers.

a&m is a top 25 team, southern miss is not

And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

arizona state lost to arizona, an unranked team 3-8 team

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the game last week was the first time most voters saw cal play. they didn't play well so they put texas above them. it's not that absurd at all.

Texas should not be gaining anything for not playing. Period. That sets a terrible precedent for an already shaky system. I respect the texas team, but their trip to the rose bowl was won with back office politics. Saying 26-16 (arguably 33-16) isn't "good enough" is the biggest load of bs i've yet to hear. Well 26-13 over A&M isn't exactly what I'd call a blowout either. The Pac-10 gets routinely shafted in the BCS. I don't even understand why the conference bothers.

a&m is a top 25 team, southern miss is not

And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

arizona state lost to arizona, an unranked team 3-8 team

that was a rivalry game and they committed several turnovers.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat


And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

if you haven't followed the polls, every team this year have gained points during their 'bye' week.

and it's not so much that texas has gained points on a scale, per se.. polls are comparative... cal lost a few points to texas because they did not prove, to the voters, that they were as strong as they should be


so why dont cal fans stop WHINING? want to get in the rose bowl? beat a mid-major team the way youre supposed to. boooo hooooooo

Mystery Coaches in coaches poll drops Cal

Though Cal's players and fans were abuzz over Tedford's new commitment to the school following the Bears' best regular season in a half century, nobody could fathom why six coaches picked the Bears seventh or lower in the final poll -- four at No. 7 and two in the eighth slot.

In the previous week's poll, nobody picked Cal lower than sixth. The latest vote came after Cal's 26-16 win at Southern Mississippi on Saturday night -- a close game, but a tough road contest that wasn't in doubt in the final minutes.

That is pure BS. I'll bet a million dollars that one of the two coaches that voted Cal 8th was Mack Brown.
First, beg on national tv for votes and then pull this East German judge BS. I hate Michigan but I hope they romp over texas. :thumbsdown:

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Anonemous
so would it have mattered if Cal dominated that last game?

yes, if they would have won by 3 or more touchdowns they would have secured their bowl bid.

to clarify, i do think cal should be in a bcs game over a team like pitt. but people in the media have loved to hate on texas for years, and that pisses me off.

that whole link of thinking in bs

you'd think if someone would have whined hard about how texas barely beat a joke of a kansas team they would have been left out too

whinning and getting in is the problem

it's not bs. that's what the all the experts said. cal knew what they had to do. they didn't do it. get over it.