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Official: Mack Brown whines his way into the BCS

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Originally posted by: chowderhead
Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat


And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

if you haven't followed the polls, every team this year have gained points during their 'bye' week.

and it's not so much that texas has gained points on a scale, per se.. polls are comparative... cal lost a few points to texas because they did not prove, to the voters, that they were as strong as they should be


so why dont cal fans stop WHINING? want to get in the rose bowl? beat a mid-major team the way youre supposed to. boooo hooooooo

Mystery Coaches in coaches poll drops Cal

Though Cal's players and fans were abuzz over Tedford's new commitment to the school following the Bears' best regular season in a half century, nobody could fathom why six coaches picked the Bears seventh or lower in the final poll -- four at No. 7 and two in the eighth slot.

In the previous week's poll, nobody picked Cal lower than sixth. The latest vote came after Cal's 26-16 win at Southern Mississippi on Saturday night -- a close game, but a tough road contest that wasn't in doubt in the final minutes.

That is pure BS. I'll bet a million dollars that one of the two coaches that voted Cal 8th was Mack Brown.
First, beg on national tv for votes and then pull this East German judge BS. I hate Michigan but I hope they romp over texas. :thumbsdown:


i read that too, pretty shocking, and those who say its purely coz they didnt win by 3 td's, that had nothing to do with it, whinning and bitching on national tv can you get you lot of votes apparently

having read all this i say aaron rodgers did nothing wrong at all, more power to him
 
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
It's ironic that you're being a little bitch and whining about Mack Brown whining. STFU, Texas is in the Rose Bowl, Auburn is not, go kill yourself if it bothers you that much.

why should AUBURN be in the rose bowl???

someone needs to brush up on his college football knowledge before posting in this thread . . . .

for one, its Cal

second, especially for those of us in the pasadena area, we want to keep the tradition of Pac 10 - Big Ten matchup in the rose bowl . . .

obviously, we can't have USC, so CAL would have to do . . .

It just seems so weird when its not Pac 10 - Big Ten
 
Originally posted by: udonoogen
Originally posted by: Hammer
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat
Originally posted by: Hammer
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat
Originally posted by: hdeck
Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the game last week was the first time most voters saw cal play. they didn't play well so they put texas above them. it's not that absurd at all.


Texas should not be gaining anything for not playing. Period. That sets a terrible precedent for an already shaky system. I respect the texas team, but their trip to the rose bowl was won with back office politics. Saying 26-16 (arguably 33-16) isn't "good enough" is the biggest load of bs i've yet to hear. Well 26-13 over A&M isn't exactly what I'd call a blowout either. The Pac-10 gets routinely shafted in the BCS. I don't even understand why the conference bothers.

a&m is a top 25 team, southern miss is not

And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.


arizona state lost to arizona, an unranked team 3-8 team

that was a rivalry game and they committed several turnovers.

SO? They still proved they blow. I was never impressed with them or any other Pac-10 team. Pac-10 is uber weak.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: udonoogen
Originally posted by: Hammer
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat
Originally posted by: Hammer
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat
Originally posted by: hdeck
Originally posted by: Dragnov
The problem isn't that Texas is #4, and Cal is #5. Problem is Texas jumped the polls when they didn't even play... thats just absurd.

the game last week was the first time most voters saw cal play. they didn't play well so they put texas above them. it's not that absurd at all.


Texas should not be gaining anything for not playing. Period. That sets a terrible precedent for an already shaky system. I respect the texas team, but their trip to the rose bowl was won with back office politics. Saying 26-16 (arguably 33-16) isn't "good enough" is the biggest load of bs i've yet to hear. Well 26-13 over A&M isn't exactly what I'd call a blowout either. The Pac-10 gets routinely shafted in the BCS. I don't even understand why the conference bothers.

a&m is a top 25 team, southern miss is not

And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.


arizona state lost to arizona, an unranked team 3-8 team

that was a rivalry game and they committed several turnovers.

SO? They still proved they blow. I was never impressed with them or any other Pac-10 team. Pac-10 is uber weak.

Yeah, I mean . . . the top two Pac-10 teams are ONLY #1 and #4 in the nation!
 
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: chowderhead
Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat


And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

if you haven't followed the polls, every team this year have gained points during their 'bye' week.

and it's not so much that texas has gained points on a scale, per se.. polls are comparative... cal lost a few points to texas because they did not prove, to the voters, that they were as strong as they should be


so why dont cal fans stop WHINING? want to get in the rose bowl? beat a mid-major team the way youre supposed to. boooo hooooooo

Mystery Coaches in coaches poll drops Cal

Though Cal's players and fans were abuzz over Tedford's new commitment to the school following the Bears' best regular season in a half century, nobody could fathom why six coaches picked the Bears seventh or lower in the final poll -- four at No. 7 and two in the eighth slot.

In the previous week's poll, nobody picked Cal lower than sixth. The latest vote came after Cal's 26-16 win at Southern Mississippi on Saturday night -- a close game, but a tough road contest that wasn't in doubt in the final minutes.

That is pure BS. I'll bet a million dollars that one of the two coaches that voted Cal 8th was Mack Brown.
First, beg on national tv for votes and then pull this East German judge BS. I hate Michigan but I hope they romp over texas. :thumbsdown:


i read that too, pretty shocking, and those who say its purely coz they didnt win by 3 td's, that had nothing to do with it, whinning and bitching on national tv can you get you lot of votes apparently

having read all this i say aaron rodgers did nothing wrong at all, more power to him

Ok, so you agree that Bob Stoops whined like a bitch as well? That Auburn should be in there over OU. If not you are a hypocrite.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: chowderhead
Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat


And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

if you haven't followed the polls, every team this year have gained points during their 'bye' week.

and it's not so much that texas has gained points on a scale, per se.. polls are comparative... cal lost a few points to texas because they did not prove, to the voters, that they were as strong as they should be


so why dont cal fans stop WHINING? want to get in the rose bowl? beat a mid-major team the way youre supposed to. boooo hooooooo

Mystery Coaches in coaches poll drops Cal

Though Cal's players and fans were abuzz over Tedford's new commitment to the school following the Bears' best regular season in a half century, nobody could fathom why six coaches picked the Bears seventh or lower in the final poll -- four at No. 7 and two in the eighth slot.

In the previous week's poll, nobody picked Cal lower than sixth. The latest vote came after Cal's 26-16 win at Southern Mississippi on Saturday night -- a close game, but a tough road contest that wasn't in doubt in the final minutes.

That is pure BS. I'll bet a million dollars that one of the two coaches that voted Cal 8th was Mack Brown.
First, beg on national tv for votes and then pull this East German judge BS. I hate Michigan but I hope they romp over texas. :thumbsdown:


i read that too, pretty shocking, and those who say its purely coz they didnt win by 3 td's, that had nothing to do with it, whinning and bitching on national tv can you get you lot of votes apparently

having read all this i say aaron rodgers did nothing wrong at all, more power to him

Ok, so you agree that Bob Stoops whined like a bitch as well? That Auburn should be in there over OU. If not you are a hypocrite.

Everyone knows that Auburn deserves it more than OU; OU didnt deserve it last year either!

At least Auburn got to the Sugar Bowl . . . a $14Million bowl . . .

CAL got the HOLIDAY Bowl . . . a $2.2Million bowl . . .
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: chowderhead
Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat


And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

if you haven't followed the polls, every team this year have gained points during their 'bye' week.

and it's not so much that texas has gained points on a scale, per se.. polls are comparative... cal lost a few points to texas because they did not prove, to the voters, that they were as strong as they should be


so why dont cal fans stop WHINING? want to get in the rose bowl? beat a mid-major team the way youre supposed to. boooo hooooooo

Mystery Coaches in coaches poll drops Cal

Though Cal's players and fans were abuzz over Tedford's new commitment to the school following the Bears' best regular season in a half century, nobody could fathom why six coaches picked the Bears seventh or lower in the final poll -- four at No. 7 and two in the eighth slot.

In the previous week's poll, nobody picked Cal lower than sixth. The latest vote came after Cal's 26-16 win at Southern Mississippi on Saturday night -- a close game, but a tough road contest that wasn't in doubt in the final minutes.

That is pure BS. I'll bet a million dollars that one of the two coaches that voted Cal 8th was Mack Brown.
First, beg on national tv for votes and then pull this East German judge BS. I hate Michigan but I hope they romp over texas. :thumbsdown:


i read that too, pretty shocking, and those who say its purely coz they didnt win by 3 td's, that had nothing to do with it, whinning and bitching on national tv can you get you lot of votes apparently

having read all this i say aaron rodgers did nothing wrong at all, more power to him

Ok, so you agree that Bob Stoops whined like a bitch as well? That Auburn should be in there over OU. If not you are a hypocrite.

i didnt really see wat bob stoops said, if he did and if that (like in this case) is the reason (like it seems in the cal case) coaches didnt put auburn above OK then yeh I agree


edit: although in this case it seems rather drastic that texas was idle and people already had seen them finish their season, and then they decided to drop cal (to even 6,7 and 8) and even go as far as putting texas at no #2 and #3

anyway i have never said Auburn didnt deserve to be there, they played very well all year and should have had a shot at the NC game
 
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: chowderhead
Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat


And Cal blew out a top 25 team (Az St). Doesn't seem like that mattered much, though your point is taken. I still don't believe the end result was justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. If Cal had lost to So.Miss, I'd be perfectly ok with it. As it is, the end result was a fraud, and until someone can explain to me how teams can gain points for not playing, I don't see why i should waver from that conclusion.

if you haven't followed the polls, every team this year have gained points during their 'bye' week.

and it's not so much that texas has gained points on a scale, per se.. polls are comparative... cal lost a few points to texas because they did not prove, to the voters, that they were as strong as they should be


so why dont cal fans stop WHINING? want to get in the rose bowl? beat a mid-major team the way youre supposed to. boooo hooooooo

Mystery Coaches in coaches poll drops Cal

Though Cal's players and fans were abuzz over Tedford's new commitment to the school following the Bears' best regular season in a half century, nobody could fathom why six coaches picked the Bears seventh or lower in the final poll -- four at No. 7 and two in the eighth slot.

In the previous week's poll, nobody picked Cal lower than sixth. The latest vote came after Cal's 26-16 win at Southern Mississippi on Saturday night -- a close game, but a tough road contest that wasn't in doubt in the final minutes.

That is pure BS. I'll bet a million dollars that one of the two coaches that voted Cal 8th was Mack Brown.
First, beg on national tv for votes and then pull this East German judge BS. I hate Michigan but I hope they romp over texas. :thumbsdown:


i read that too, pretty shocking, and those who say its purely coz they didnt win by 3 td's, that had nothing to do with it, whinning and bitching on national tv can you get you lot of votes apparently

having read all this i say aaron rodgers did nothing wrong at all, more power to him

Ok, so you agree that Bob Stoops whined like a bitch as well? That Auburn should be in there over OU. If not you are a hypocrite.

i didnt really see wat bob stoops said, if he did and if that (like in this case) is the reason (like it seems in the cal case) coaches didnt put auburn above OK then yeh I agree


edit: although in this case it seems rather drastic that texas was idle and people already had seen them finish their season, and then they decided to drop cal (to even 6,7 and 8)

let's just blame it on the hurricanes . . . . . . .
 
There is no doubt Cal got screwed. I like Texas and I like Cal, but it is obvious that they both were deserving. Cal being there the entire and then getting bumped in an issue to me. FURTHER reason for playoffs. Auburn has been playing great all year. USC and OU have had several close games. AU has had two. Vs. LSU the defending Nat'l champs and a 9 win UT team that they played twice. I'm sorry, but WTF? People can bitch about their Out of Conf. schedule all day, but who the played in Conference was huge. Besides, who in OU's or USC's OOCS schedule was that good? No one....
 
Va Tech turned out to be pretty good eventually, for SC, Anyway this year, computers were not the deciding factor in the polls (unlike last year). even if Auburn would have jumped USC to be #2 in the computers and the AP, coaches polls remained the way they were, they would have been still left off?

This year the reason the system is bad shifts from computer programs to Pollsters,

 
Originally posted by: Amol
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
It's ironic that you're being a little bitch and whining about Mack Brown whining. STFU, Texas is in the Rose Bowl, Auburn is not, go kill yourself if it bothers you that much.

why should AUBURN be in the rose bowl???

someone needs to brush up on his college football knowledge before posting in this thread . . . .

for one, its Cal

second, especially for those of us in the pasadena area, we want to keep the tradition of Pac 10 - Big Ten matchup in the rose bowl . . .

obviously, we can't have USC, so CAL would have to do . . .

It just seems so weird when its not Pac 10 - Big Ten

RB gets pwned :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: kalster
Va Tech turned out to be pretty good eventually, for SC, Anyway this year, computers were not the deciding factor in the polls (unlike last year). even if Auburn would have jumped USC to be #2 in the computers and the AP, coaches polls remained the way they were, they would have been still left off?

This year the reason the system is bad shifts from computer programs to Pollsters,

But the problem with that is they ranked from the very beginning. BEFORE they played a game. Unfair to Auburn because they thought last year was their year, and that they'd be sh!tty this year. Actually, they were off on their predictions and punished Auburn for that. Total BS.
 
yeh, sucks for them, they did everything asked from them and still get left out, i dont think anyone can honestly make a legit argument that either 1 of them deserve to be in the NC game any less than the other 2 (which is also what pete caroll said (specially having been through a similar thing last year)

 
Originally posted by: kalster
yeh, sucks for them, they did everything asked from them and still get left out, i dont think anyone can honestly make a legit argument that either 1 of them deserve to be in the NC game any less than the other 2 (which is also what pete caroll said (specially having been through a similar thing last year)

The BCS has to be blamed instead of the teams. I think Mike Tranghese or however you spell his name should be beaten to death.
 
hey cal fans, stfu:
bcs stuff you might like to see

posted on hornsfans.com message boards. too bad this won't make cal fans shut up either.

taken from hornfans.com. posted by SynTex

The Pac 10 commish, the Cal coach, and many others are harping on some of the voting patterns that may have tainted the BCS. Let's talk about it. Let me take item by item some of the problems that have been discussed (and I will make adjustments accordingly).

-- You complain about the 3 Texas based AP voters who switched and put Texas ahead of Cal. I'm gonna switch it back for ya. (typing). There you go!

-- You complain about the Alabama jerk who suddenly realized Texas is not the #9 team, but he suddenly moved us up to #5. Bear in mind, he still had Texas behind you guys, but what the hay? Let's take away those four points from Texas, shall we?

-- You are offended (and you have a case) that some coaches put Texas #2 or #3. You are right. That is wrong. I'm taking it all away. I will take away those points from Texas, and because y'all are so damn confident that you unequivocally outrank Texas, I will reassign all these #2/#3 Texas coach votes to Texas as a #5 vote. (More typing). There we go! And I'm being so nice today, I'm gonna go ahead and leave the pro-Cal #3 vote that mysteriously appeared in the final coaches poll.

-- You are offended that 6 coaches put you #7 or #8. Yes, that's wrong, too. Forget the fact that 8 coaches had Texas #7 or #8, the media is not mentioning that fact at all, but whatever. What I will do for y'all... I will take all 6 Cal #7/#8 votes, and because y'all are so convinced you are the better team, I will magically turn those into #4 votes, ahead of Texas.

So where do we stand after all these very generous changes?

#4 Texas 0.8442
#5 Cal 0.8397
0.0045

That's right. We eliminated a little more than half of the difference. So much for the razor thin margin. So much for the conspiracy taking away your Rose Bowl bid. Y'all need to get together, figure out another injustice, and let me know, so we can try to plug a way for you guys to win.

OK. Now that I have mathematically shown (and given you all are very smart students at Berkeley, and you know based on what I said above, I'm right), let me give you all the reasons why you need to shut up already and just accept your damn Holiday Bowl bid.

1. The Conspiracy Effect Doesn't Add Up
This is what was just proven above. In the end, it makes for a neat Trev Alberts, PTI, New York Times, Seattle Times story, but it didn't really matter.

2. You Outranked Us in Both Human Polls
Al Gore wanted a recount, investigations, because he had LOST the human vote. You guys won it, damn it! Not only do you outrank us #4/#5 in the coach's poll, but you have the added benefit of a wedge (Utah) to outrank us #4/#6 in the AP poll. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?? How can you allege fraud in the human polls, when in the end, they WENT IN YOUR FAVOR?

Forget the fact that both teams have identical records, and a good case to make as both teams lost to undefeated national title contenders. It's understandable that some voters will vote Cal #4/Texas #5, and vice versa. If you refuse to accept that premise, you are being naive. It is not a slam dunk case, that in every voter's mind, that you are better than Texas. You know it and we know it. I will never argue that every voter should have Texas higher than Cal, and you should never argue the opposite. It's a grey area.

And in the end, the grey area was in your favor. You are unhappy, because it wasn't overwhelmingly ENOUGH in your favor. Oh well.

3. There's a reason the computers liked Texas
Cal's cumulative opponents win/loss was 61-61, a perfect breakeven.
Texas' cumulative opponents win/loss was 67-56, 11 games over 0.500

That's right. The best way we can try to demote our schedule to your level, is to pull out the undefeated 12-0 record of our best opponent, Oklahoma. But given that you guys [censored] and [censored] and [censored] how close you came to beating your undefeated opponent, I don't think we can accomodate you there.

We beat 5 teams that had 7 or more victories. You defeated one. One. One team that won 7 or more games.

4. Be fair about each of our losses.
I am more than willing to grant you that you played USC better than we played OU. But don't go saying that you practically beat USC (because you outgained them, and your wideout tripped on his route), while we got blown out by OU. The score of the OU game at halftime was Oklahoma 3, Texas 0. It was Oklahoma 6, Texas 0 up until 8 minutes in the 4th quarter. I realize that given you are Pac 10 fans, you must shiver when you see such a defensive struggle. But this was a very close game.

Again, we did not do as well against our rival as you did against yours. You guys were close. But don't go saying that we were blown out by OU.

5. Be fair about each of our sloppy wins.
Kansas. Boy, the media sure loves that game. We played sloppy in that one no doubt, but you guys know that as time was winding down, the Oregon WR dropped a wideopen, easy pass that puts them well within field goal range. So those are both near misses against sub-0.500 teams.

Arkansas. Well, I was happy with that one, it was an electric environment. It was probably closer than it should have been. Honestly, I do think this is a wash with your Southern Miss game. On the road, close at the end (game was nearly tied 17-16 with a mere 6 minutes left). But in the end, the better team won.

If you try to assert that any of our wins beyond KU and Arkansas were low quality or squeakers in nature, you are wrong (in my opinion). I attended and re-watched each of these games. Kansas and Arkansas made me sweat, but as the games concluded, none of the others were really in question, and they were all by reasonable victory margins. Yes, a comeback was needed against Okla State, but we won that game by 21 points.

6. Quit harping on the Big 10/Pac 10 sanctity crap.
For years, the Rose Bowl has been diligent in preserving tradition by always inviting the champion of the Big 10, to play the champion of the Pac 10.

Three teams: Michigan, Cal, and Texas. Only one of them meets this tradition, and last time I checked, that team is going to the Rose Bowl. Tell me, again, how the tradition is being violated.

7. Quit saying Mack Brown's whining did the trick.
While you and Utah were off, and after we defeated a ranked A&M team in a rivalry game, Mack Brown made public statements asking for voters to reconsider their votes. Some have portrayed this as whining, some may say he was politicking, but whatever you want to call it, it doesn't matter. He was certainly making an appeal to voters.

When the polls came out merely 2 days later (again bearing in mind that Texas beat a ranked team, Cal and Utah were off), here's what happened: Cal GAINED 4 points relative to Texas in the human polls. Texas LOST ground after defeating a ranked team by 13pts, while Cal was off. If ANYTHING, the whining backfired. It clearly didn't help.

Here's a thought.... maybe Cal lost ground in the human polls in the following week (a full 9 days after Mack's whining) because of a subpar performance against a mediocre conference USA opponent. Because they were virtually tied with Southern Miss with only 6 minutes remaining in the game. Not because of Mack's whining. And if you think it is wrong for Cal to be penalized on ballots because they didn't look good against a mediocre opponent -- welcome to college football. Teams have constantly been tweaked because of soft performances. Nebraska, in 1997, lost considerable votes (relative to Michigan) when it needed some luck to squeak by Mizzou. The precedent is ample, and reasonable. In fact, Texas according to many voters was being penalized for its performance against Kansas. What goes around, comes around.
 
Being a UT alumn, I honestly think both Cal and Texas deserve it.

But being that Berkeley rejected me and UT gave me a full ride, my human vote goes to Texas.

 
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