*** Official Kerry vs Bush Debate: Round #3 ***

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Kerry won all three debates although Kerry's victory in the second debate was marginal at best. Cheney eeeeeked out against Edwards. This third debate wasn't as impressive as the first one but not that much far away from it.

Yeah, I completely agree, as do the polls (though I'd say the second debate was too close to call). The Gallup poll called last night's debate a Kerry win by 52% to 39%. It didn't strike me as even close, though it was closer than the first one.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Kerry won all three debates although Kerry's victory in the second debate was marginal at best. Cheney eeeeeked out against Edwards. This third debate wasn't as impressive as the first one but not that much far away from it.

Does your last statement even make sense? sorry but if anything the last debate IMHO was nothing like the first in that if anything Kerry only won by a slight margin whereas in the first debate the win was by a large cavernous gap...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Kerry won all three debates although Kerry's victory in the second debate was marginal at best. Cheney eeeeeked out against Edwards. This third debate wasn't as impressive as the first one but not that much far away from it.

Does your last statement even make sense? sorry but if anything the last debate IMHO was nothing like the first in that if anything Kerry only won by a slight margin whereas in the first debate the win was by a large cavernous gap...

How does it not make sense? I felt, and obviously DH agrees, that Kerry won decisively last night, albeit not in the same butt-kicking fashion as in the first debate. I tend to think the people who are proudly declaring President Bush the winner of 2 of 3 of the debates are looking through rose-colored Bush/Cheney 2004 glasses.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
Apparently yankeesfan only saw the last couple of minutes of the debate.

Which, imo, Kerry still won. Esp. with his remark about "married up" and "maybe me moreso than others. But I can take it."

actually thought that "joke" was in very poor taste, made him look like the slimeball he truly is...overall I think Bush didn't do well in the last debate, but also felt Kerry was far too full of himself with his snide remarks and condescending looks...came off as a pompous ass, IMHO of course.

But Bush's constant jabs and full-bore rhetoric was ok with you? His laughing at being confronted with no finding bin Laden didn't disgust you? His evil-sounding cackles didn't scare the hell out of you?

 

[Chadder007]

I tend to think people who are proudly declaring Senator Kerry the winner of all 3 debates are looking through rose-colored Kerry/Edwards 2004 glasses.

 

[conjur]

Reaction from teens to the presidential debate
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ne...ry?coll=sfla-news-sfla


Generally favorable toward Kerry.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I think that President Bush left no doubt to the fact that he doesn't know who Colonel Mustard is,
doesn't know what a candle stick can be used for, and can't find his way to the Library.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: conjur
Reaction from teens to the presidential debate
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ne...ry?coll=sfla-news-sfla


Generally favorable toward Kerry.

Ahh....teens goin along with their Teachers, which are mostly liberal. Ive been in school before, I know how it is. Teens truly know nothing.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
I tend to think people who are proudly declaring Senator Kerry the winner of all 3 debates are looking through rose-colored Kerry/Edwards 2004 glasses.

Joe Scarborough of MSNBC said that both candidates gave his respective supporters something to be happy about, adding, "anybody who wants to say one of these candidates won going away is either an ideologue or a liar, or they were watching the Red Sox-Yankees game."


Frankly I don't think last night debate really mattered because so many people were watching the ballgame instead of the debates.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Chadder007
I tend to think people who are proudly declaring Senator Kerry the winner of all 3 debates are looking through rose-colored Kerry/Edwards 2004 glasses.

Joe Scarborough of MSNBC said that both candidates gave his respective supporters something to be happy about, adding, "anybody who wants to say one of these candidates won going away is either an ideologue or a liar, or they were watching the Red Sox-Yankees game."


Frankly I don't think last night debate really mattered because so many people were watching the ballgame instead of the debates.

From Drudge:

FOX BASEBALL SPLIT COVERAGE 11.0/16... DEBATE #3: NBC 9.9/14... ABC 9.8/13... CBS 6.3/9... TOTAL DEBATE BIG-3 26.0 RATING/36 SHARE... [FIRST DEBATE 29.1 RATING/40 SHARE] MORE...


DEBATE: 36 SHARE
BASEBALL: 16 SHARE

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: conjur
Reaction from teens to the presidential debate
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ne...ry?coll=sfla-news-sfla


Generally favorable toward Kerry.

LOL at this one - I wonder if he knows what "menial" means. Organized crime prosecution is considered among the most challenging and prestigious activities for a prosecutor:

"John Kerry repeatedly failed to answer the question and liked to answer a question with a completely different topic. George W. Bush came out as a person who believed in his ideals, and came across as a person who can be believed by the American people. Also, Kerry said that he was a `law enforcement' officer, which he was never. He was a menial district attorney in Boston, where he was primarily involved in organized crime. Not much else."

Daniel Reilly, 15, St. Andrews School

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: conjur
Reaction from teens to the presidential debate
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ne...ry?coll=sfla-news-sfla


Generally favorable toward Kerry.

Ahh....teens goin along with their Teachers, which are mostly liberal. Ive been in school before, I know how it is. Teens truly know nothing.

You're right. We should just euthanize the whole lot of them. Or, at the least, cover their mouths with duct tape.

 

[CaptnKirk]

goin along with their Teachers, which are mostly liberal. Ive been in school before

'goin' Vs. 'going'
'Ive' Vs. 'I've'

'been in school before' - not in a long time, it appears.

 

[conjur]

BTW, chadder007...I'm still waiting for your answer

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Kerry won all three debates although Kerry's victory in the second debate was marginal at best. Cheney eeeeeked out against Edwards. This third debate wasn't as impressive as the first one but not that much far away from it.

Does your last statement even make sense? sorry but if anything the last debate IMHO was nothing like the first in that if anything Kerry only won by a slight margin whereas in the first debate the win was by a large cavernous gap...

How does it not make sense? I felt, and obviously DH agrees, that Kerry won decisively last night, albeit not in the same butt-kicking fashion as in the first debate. I tend to think the people who are proudly declaring President Bush the winner of 2 of 3 of the debates are looking through rose-colored Bush/Cheney 2004 glasses.

The rose-colored glasses seem to be fashion apparel of those supporting both candidates.

The only reason I'd give Kerry an edge is due to presentation and comportment. Bush doesn't handle himself as well in a speaking engagement, though this debate may have been his best performance in that department. Still, that's not saying much. As to the actual facts, which to me is the important part, I think Bush may have a bit of an edge. While everyone here seems focused on Bush statement about Osama, the statement Kerry kept making about newly created jobs being worth $9,000 less than those they replace is pretty much bunk and is based on a single, highly contested study that even many Dems don't agree with. His fantasies concerning health care covering every American are pie-in-the-sky as well. While Kerry can embue his statements with an authority that Bush lacks, that kind of bothers me. At least when Bush is BSing it's evident (and even when he's stating facts it often seems as if he's BSing). It's not nearly as evident when Kerry is doing so. That Clintonian slickness aspect of Kerry bothers me.

Where Bush stumbled badly was in his failure to answer the Roe v Wade question directly. He danced around the issue and you could tell he wasn't about to say anything that might upset the Christian right. Kerry gave a straight answer that not only seemed fair and balanced, it also seemed to be precisely what he believed. I give him props for that response.

Are the debates enough to lift Kerry over Bush? We shall see in little more than a couple of weeks. My opinion? No.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: DonVito
How does it not make sense? I felt, and obviously DH agrees, that Kerry won decisively last night, albeit not in the same butt-kicking fashion as in the first debate. I tend to think the people who are proudly declaring President Bush the winner of 2 of 3 of the debates are looking through rose-colored Bush/Cheney 2004 glasses.

DH said, which I bolded that the third debate wasn't as impressive as the first...the only thing that made the first debate stand out was that it was a total devistation, the third was a marginal win at best if not a tie. I would hardly say that Kerry won decisively last night at all.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: DonVito
How does it not make sense? I felt, and obviously DH agrees, that Kerry won decisively last night, albeit not in the same butt-kicking fashion as in the first debate. I tend to think the people who are proudly declaring President Bush the winner of 2 of 3 of the debates are looking through rose-colored Bush/Cheney 2004 glasses.

DH said, which I bolded that the third debate wasn't as impressive as the first...the only thing that made the first debate stand out was that it was a total devistation, the third was a marginal win at best if not a tie. I would hardly say that Kerry won decisively last night at all.

Of course you wouldn't.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur

But Bush's constant jabs and full-bore rhetoric was ok with you? His laughing at being confronted with no finding bin Laden didn't disgust you? His evil-sounding cackles didn't scare the hell out of you?

not nearly as Kerry's overly white false teeth grins (Guy Smiley) and pompous attitude just turned my stomach, and his wife mockery was the icing on the cake...Kerry is a blowhard and last night brought out his true colors...I'll take cackles anyday over that type of smug snobbishism.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DonVito
CsG, you are the king of "derogatory and kookist tripe," since everytime someone disagrees with you, all we hear about is "Kool Aid" and "tinfoil hats."

All the neutral polls (at least the ones I've seen) agree Kerry won the last debate. You are entitled to your opinion, but don't be so proud of it.

No, actually I don't use "kool-aid". And no, it's not when someone disagrees. It is when it rises above just normal disagreement and reason. In this case it was arsbanned talking about the "drool".
I am and will be proud of my opinion despite your attempt to tell me not to. There are no "neutral" polls but I'd expect nothing less from today's MSM.
This debate was supposed to be where kerry was hitting homerun after homerun - he failed to do so. He struck out a few times and seemed to forget what the count was.

Look, you leftists here will claim kerry won - just like the leftist on the news will yap about kerry "winning", but those who actually watched and listened to the debate will know that kerry didn't. It was quite clear by the "lull" last night the left lost and had to go watch the spin to come back with their talking points. It's "OK", but just realize you have been called on it.

CsG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur

But Bush's constant jabs and full-bore rhetoric was ok with you? His laughing at being confronted with no finding bin Laden didn't disgust you? His evil-sounding cackles didn't scare the hell out of you?

not nearly as Kerry's overly white false teeth grins (Guy Smiley) and pompous attitude just turned my stomach, and his wife mockery was the icing on the cake...Kerry is a blowhard and last night brought out his true colors...I'll take cackles anyday over that type of smug snobbishism.

I thought Kerry looked a bit stiff but the last questions brought out a warm side to him. And Schieffer laughed quite a bit at Kerry's remarks as well as the whole audience. Bush was just out there...way out there. Almost non-stop mocking, scoffing, dismissal, bitterness, arrogance, etc. Oh, and flat-out lying, too. No wonder you like him.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

No, actually I don't use "kool-aid". And no, it's not when someone disagrees. It is when it rises above just normal disagreement and reason. In this case it was arsbanned talking about the "drool".
I am and will be proud of my opinion despite your attempt to tell me not to. There are no "neutral" polls but I'd expect nothing less from today's MSM.
This debate was supposed to be where kerry was hitting homerun after homerun - he failed to do so. He struck out a few times and seemed to forget what the count was.

Look, you leftists here will claim kerry won - just like the leftist on the news will yap about kerry "winning", but those who actually watched and listened to the debate will know that kerry didn't. It was quite clear by the "lull" last night the left lost and had to go watch the spin to come back with their talking points. It's "OK", but just realize you have been called on it.

CsG

Even in this response, you're showing your recurring tendency toward partisan invective (by referring to me and others as "leftists," and implying that those of us who feel Kerry won the debate didn't actually "watch and listen" - I can assure you I did both).

I do respect your opinions and think you're generally a decent guy, but you are as guilty as anyone here of partisan nastiness, and presuming that your own partisan blind spots are supported by the facts. You can presume that anyone who believes Kerry won the debates is a "leftist," or that Kerry and his supporters are evil commie pinkos, but that doesn't make it so.

The only "MSM" I know of is the Meritorious Service Medal, but I doubt that's what you're talking about . . .

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur
BTW, chadder007...I'm still waiting for your answer

Looks like chadder's on another of his patented snipe-and-run posts.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

No, actually I don't use "kool-aid". And no, it's not when someone disagrees. It is when it rises above just normal disagreement and reason. In this case it was arsbanned talking about the "drool".
I am and will be proud of my opinion despite your attempt to tell me not to. There are no "neutral" polls but I'd expect nothing less from today's MSM.
This debate was supposed to be where kerry was hitting homerun after homerun - he failed to do so. He struck out a few times and seemed to forget what the count was.

Look, you leftists here will claim kerry won - just like the leftist on the news will yap about kerry "winning", but those who actually watched and listened to the debate will know that kerry didn't. It was quite clear by the "lull" last night the left lost and had to go watch the spin to come back with their talking points. It's "OK", but just realize you have been called on it.

CsG

Even in this response, you're showing your recurring tendency toward partisan invective (by referring to me and others as "leftists," and implying that those of us who feel Kerry won the debate didn't actually "watch and listen" - I can assure you I did both).

I do respect your opinions and think you're generally a decent guy, but you are as guilty as anyone here of partisan nastiness, and presuming that your own partisan blind spots are supported by the facts. You can presume that anyone who believes Kerry won the debates is a "leftist," or that Kerry and his supporters are evil commie pinkos, but that doesn't make it so.

The only "MSM" I know of is the Meritorious Service Medal, but I doubt that's what you're talking about . . .

Well, you see DV -the leftists here have a hissy fit when called them "liberal" so to better generalize(as the left doesn't only contain liberals - it contains socialists and others too) I have used "leftist". This would be true in your case. You are on the left based on what you post here in the forum. I am on the Right. I don't see how "leftist" is something that gets you guys all worked up. If I used something else then you'd have a problem with that too. IMO "leftist" accurately describes those on the left side of the fence.

MSM = Main Stream Media.

You can assume what I think if you wish, but just because you assume it - doesn't make it so.

CsG

 

[cKGunslinger]

Wow, I somehow missed the debate last night. I guess it's too early for a transcript for reference?

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
Apparently yankeesfan only saw the last couple of minutes of the debate.

Which, imo, Kerry still won. Esp. with his remark about "married up" and "maybe me moreso than others. But I can take it."

actually thought that "joke" was in very poor taste, made him look like the slimeball he truly is...overall I think Bush didn't do well in the last debate, but also felt Kerry was far too full of himself with his snide remarks and condescending looks...came off as a pompous ass, IMHO of course.

But Bush's constant jabs and full-bore rhetoric was ok with you? His laughing at being confronted with no finding bin Laden didn't disgust you? His evil-sounding cackles didn't scare the hell out of you?

Bush's constant jabs and rhetoric? Were you asleep when Kerry was talking? He was laughing at how ridiculous Kerry's statement was/is. That doesn't scare me in the slightest, no. But then again I'm not slanted so far to the left to take things way out of context and get scared by them.