Official HD7770/7750 Reviews Thread

[Creig]

7770 is a decent card, but is overpriced given the price/performance of the previous generation cards currently available out there. Give it a price cut + MIR and I bet it'll look a lot more appealing.

 

[Chiropteran]

I'm not bitching about the prices of NV, I'm bitching about the prices of video cards in general. How can you say it's not AMD's fault? This year, they were the first on the market with a new architecture and they induced the price increase relative to last generation. They went from $369 MSRP to $549 MSRP. Apples to apples keeping all things fair, we are looking at a $700 GTX 680.

What on earth are you going on about? The $549 MSRP wasn't invented by AMD, get a clue:

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Mini-HDM...VUBG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1329325886&sr=8-2

AMD simply priced the 7970 competitively instead of completely obliterating nVidias whole lineup by undercutting them by too much.

 

[gorobei]

unless you bought 6670 or 5750 or 6550 type cards for your htpc in the past, this isnt the card anyone on this forum ever considers. the pricing is silly but in a few months after the aib makers clear out their pipeline of older chips, they will drop like every new card from either amd or nv.

as for the seeming lackluster performance, this is far more likely a precursor move for the apu hsa development side of amd. trinity will be a bulldozer cpu + a vliw4 gpu. whatever comes after that will be a gcn apu. knowing that they are targeting putting a midrange gpu on every/all model of apu means they need to focus on making a low power, small footprint, high internal bandwidth architecture.
in the race for mediocrity(aka console level gaming) this is entirely good enough to beat the rv770 licensed in the upcoming wii replacement or even the next xbox gpu if rumors are to be believed.

 

[Chiropteran]

I certainly care. I may not use it in my main machine, but I might need it in a HTPC or someone else' that I build.

New process + new arch and you get the same old performance at the same price point. Thats fail in my book, regardless of how many times it happens.

Even when Intel does it?

Prices are not set buy the architecture, rather they are set by what the market will pay.

 

[thilanliyan]

I'm not bitching about the prices of NV, I'm bitching about the prices of video cards in general. How can you say it's not AMD's fault? This year, they were the first on the market with a new architecture and they induced the price increase relative to last generation. They went from $369 MSRP to $549 MSRP. Apples to apples keeping all things fair, we are looking at a $700 GTX 680.

Are you okay with that?

If you feel the 7970 is priced correctly, then I guess you also don't have a problem with a $700 GTX 680?

The 7970 is the top card and commanded a premium. Were you complaining when the 580 was launched? So what if the MSRP went up from their last gen...the 6970 came out when there was more competition and so they couldn't price it higher. This time there is no competition so they have priced it accordingly.

What makes you think nV will launch at $700? They will price it according to what they think the market will bear and their own supply. And if AMD no longer have the top card they will reduce prices making it even less likely that nV would launch at a super high price. You're saying it as if prices will never go down. I really hope you and others complaining about the price of the mid-high and high end 7 series cards are doing the same if nV launches their cards and price it relative to the 7 series cards. If they DO price it lower, kudos to them and they will reap the benefits of more sales and we will see better prices from both sides. Judging by nV's history, I'm not so sure it will be priced like the 4870 was relative to the GTX280.

Don't forget nV set the benchmark for ultra-high pricetags with the $830 8800Ultra. "That's right, this new high end graphics card will be priced $230 higher than the current performance leader. With such a big leap in price, we had hoped to see a proportional leap in performance. Unfortunately, for the 38% increase in price, we only get a ~10% increase in core and shader clock speeds, and a 20% increase in memory clock. "
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2222

And if anyone is thinking AMD did $1000 5970 4GBs, those were not officially by AMD, they were vendor made limited run cards, like the 2Win(?) cards from eVGA.

I don't get paid or get free stuff to post about this stuff so it does me no good to sit here and argue with those that do.

You must know something to make this claim. Care to share?

 

[xAlias]

The 7770 card seems to be a good one imo but its overpriced as the current 6870 is offered cheaper. Moreover the 7770 offers nothing much as in improvement in terms of features other than the power consumption.

What i dont get is the hardocp review where the overclocked XFX 7770 is pit against a vanilla 6870 and 560ti and gets a silver award! Wow, talk about biased reviews!!

 

[gladiatorua]

The 7770 card seems to be a good one imo but its overpriced as the current 6870 is offered
cheaper

Then buy 6870.


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[Ieat]

What i dont get is the hardocp review where the overclocked XFX 7770 is pit against a vanilla 6870 and 560ti and gets a silver award! Wow, talk about biased reviews!!

Yep, that review is a joke and the conclusion reads more like an AMD press release then a review. Using words like amazing, fantastic and absolutely perfect for 1080p displays. WTH? Then they try to cover up the fact that it is slower even when overclocked then a Gtx 560ti or a 6870 by saying it doesn't matter if its slower because the game play experience is the same. lol They have no credibility with me as they are untrustworthy in my opinion.

 

[Olikan]

I certainly care. I may not use it in my main machine, but I might need it in a HTPC or someone else' that I build.

New process + new arch and you get the same old performance at the same price point. Thats fail in my book, regardless of how many times it happens.

actualy, is just amd beeing greedy.

The card performance is very respectable for 128-bits

 

[Fantazn]

Loved the review and thought it had a great point on there is no bad video card it just comes down to $$

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Loved the review and thought it had a great point on there is no bad video card it just comes down to $$

is there a more important factor than what it costs?

 

[hectorsm]

I'm glad I decided not to wait for the 7770 and got the HD6870 ($140 AR) instead a month ago. The performance of the 7770 is way too weak at that price point.

 

[notty22]

Yep, that review is a joke and the conclusion reads more like an AMD press release then a review. Using words like amazing, fantastic and absolutely perfect for 1080p displays. WTH? Then they try to cover up the fact that it is slower even when overclocked then a Gtx 560ti or a 6870 by saying it doesn't matter if its slower because the game play experience is the same. lol They have no credibility with me as they are untrustworthy in my opinion.

I found the review lacking and opposite of what most reviews found and their own evidence. The same game play experience methodology lost some points with me.

 

[xAlias]

Then buy 6870 and stop whining.

Who is whining here? I just stated a point that a 6870 is a better buy imo. Jeez, u got to chill and stop being an idiotic amd fanboy here.

 

[xAlias]

Yep, that review is a joke and the conclusion reads more like an AMD press release then a review. Using words like amazing, fantastic and absolutely perfect for 1080p displays. WTH? Then they try to cover up the fact that it is slower even when overclocked then a Gtx 560ti or a 6870 by saying it doesn't matter if its slower because the game play experience is the same. lol They have no credibility with me as they are untrustworthy in my opinion.

^^

Same here. They have lost all credibility with me as that is a poor review and kinda misleading especially with the benchmarks where a min of 7 fps is hit but said as playable and smooth.

 

[Hypertag]

I don't know why people were imaging 6870~ performance for a card with such weak stats. It feels good to be proven correct.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Disappointing. I was hoping to be able to recommend the 7750 and 7770 for budget builds, upgrades, and adding to systems with weak power supplies.

They seem like good GPUs with the right cooler (NOT AMD's sample 7750 cooler -- way too noisy) but the prices are much higher than they should be.

2 years after the 5770 we should be getting the 7770's performance for $100 - $125, and these cards should be labeled 7650 and 7670.

 

[formulav8]

The only real current problem for AMD is the 68xx being priced so cheap. If that wasn't the case then I think people would be fairly happy getting a mainstream card that performs somewhat similar to a last gen performance card. Thats the POV that HOCP was talking from and not most other reviews. When the 68xx are gone your left with the 7770. Your getting near last gens performance series speeds in a mainstream card and $159-$179 price (The 68xx cards prices are much lower now than they were at launch). So he is not wrong in that regard. I do think he should have done alittle more to recommend a 68xx if your buying now though. That would be the best option now. But in a couple/few months it will only be the 77xx gpu's. Its not much different to when the 5770 was released when 48xx cards offerered more performance at the same or better price. I remember how much people were complaining then...

I honestly expected an even higher price for the 7770 (But more performance) since AMD would still have sold all they made and no new nvidia next gen. I was expecting more performance from the 7750...

 

[railven]

Well, the 7750 not requiring it's own power plug is a nice perk, otherwise, I'd wait for the price drop.

Anyone in this buying bracket is better served by a GTX 550ti or an HD 6850, unless they have a form factor or power restriction.

Definitely should have been an HD 76xx card, at least then it would look more pleasing in benching comparatives.

 

[Ieat]

The only real current problem for AMD is the 68xx being priced so cheap. If that wasn't the case then I think people would be fairly happy getting a mainstream card that performs somewhat similar to a last gen performance card. Thats the POV that HOCP was talking from and not most other reviews. When the 68xx are gone your left with the 7770. Your getting near last gens performance series speeds in a mainstream card and $159-$179 price (The 68xx cards prices are much lower now than they were at launch). So he is not wrong in that regard. I do think he should have done alittle more to recommend a 68xx if your buying now though. That would be the best option now. But in a couple/few months it will only be the 77xx gpu's. Its not much different to when the 5770 was released when 48xx cards offerered more performance at the same or better price. I remember how much people were complaining then...

Sorry but the 6850 is faster and was released 15 months ago for $180. Amd is releasing a slower card over a year later for a whopping $20 less... And no the low price of the 68xx series cards isn't AMD's only problem because the 7770 is slower then the cheaper gtx 460 as well and gets beaten down by the gtx 560 non-ti which is cheaper after rebate. There just isn't a good defense for the glowing hocp review.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

The price would only be justified if every game performed like Civ 5... Right now its a horrible deal

AMD can get away with the 7970 because it has no competition, but this is something else... Wtf are they thinking? It doesnt even matter that Nvidia is late or whatever in this case since their own older cards are a much better deal

I guess they are hoping to phase out all the 6xxx until people are left with this crap and forget about it

 

[lifeblood]

This is a pain. I need to replace my 4830 and I was hoping the 7770 would be the winner, but that hope is now shot.

If I was only playing slightly older games then the 6870 would be the winner, no question. But the main game I’m playing right now is Skyrim at 1920x1080. In that game, the 7770 beats the 6870 by a clear margin. Of course, I haven’t played Metro and Crysis yet, but I plan on it. I guess I’m going to have to fork over the $250+ the 7850 will certainly cost when it comes out so I can play both old and new games.

 

[Vesku]

Techreport tested Skyrim with high-res textures and it looks to me the 6850 and thus 6870 handles it better than the 7770. Very playable 1080p performance out of the 6850 in their Skyrim test.

But as for future games, these GCN cards are more capable in terms of tessellation than the 6800 series.

This is a pain. I need to replace my 4830 and I was hoping the 7770 would be the winner, but that hope is now shot.

If I was only playing slightly older games then the 6870 would be the winner, no question. But the main game I’m playing right now is Skyrim at 1920x1080. In that game, the 7770 beats the 6870 by a clear margin. Of course, I haven’t played Metro and Crysis yet, but I plan on it. I guess I’m going to have to fork over the $250+ the 7850 will certainly cost when it comes out so I can play both old and new games.

 

[formulav8]

The 68xx are ALL eol cards. Their prices reflect that. When they were new they had more performance but also higher prices than even the 7770. Your comparing eol prices to brand new prices. Even without performance or whatever involved, brand new stuff is always more expensive than the same item will be a year from now. A year from now the 7770 will be cheaper just like the 68xx cards got cheaper. Same thing that happened when the 5770 was released and the 4870 offering more performance for similar or better prices. Nothing new here...

 

[Vesku]

7700 series cards up on Newegg, seems like they realize the SP count is a bit blah on the marketing side as the SP count is missing on the details tab (all the other radeons list SP counts afaik). Bottom line though is that AMD shaved some size off the ~$150 parts die size, focusing on profit over offering significant performance improvement over the 6850 which had a launch MSRP just $20 more than this 7770 MSRP.

Edit: Boo, hiss at AMD on the 7770 choices. 7750 seems a well thought out HTPC card. 7770 looks like an OEM card being dangled in the retail waters to try to catch some sucker fish, ahem, I mean customers.