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Official HD7770/7750 Reviews Thread

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Good card at a bad price. I don't see AMD's marketing department willingly taking the decision to sell only their cards to people who are misinformed and will buy the highest number they see. Some people might have a specialized use for it, for instance because it doesn't use a lot of power, but overall, it's an awful price to performance ratio.

The only reasonable explanation that comes to mind really is that the yields are so awful that they just don't have a choice but to sell at this price, else they lose money. If that's the case, this doesn't bode well for the near future. Hopefully the yields increase by the time Nvidia joins the party and a nice price war can begin. :\
 
This is total rubbish. We've had gaming performance like this since 2008.
These should be the 7600 series and priced at $50 and $75, respectively.
 
Quantos said:
Good card at a bad price. I don't see AMD's marketing department willingly taking the decision to sell only their cards to people who are misinformed and will buy the highest number they see. Some people might have a specialized use for it, for instance because it doesn't use a lot of power, but overall, it's an awful price to performance ratio.

The only reasonable explanation that comes to mind really is that the yields are so awful that they just don't have a choice but to sell at this price, else they lose money. If that's the case, this doesn't bode well for the near future. Hopefully the yields increase by the time Nvidia joins the party and a nice price war can begin. :\
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The explanation is that they don't want to compete with their old products, which are very competitive with NVIDIA old products.

Until NVIDIA brings competition and/or old AMD stock doesn't dry, it seems the 7xxx series will be all either priced high or overpriced.
 
The whole review was flawed, IMO.

The 5770 was the step down from the 5850 for much of it's early life. Later, the release of the 5830 added a step in-between, but even then the 5770 still had a fairly high performance role to fill.

The 7770 doesn't fit into the same category. There will be an entire 7800 series in-between the flagship 7900 cards and the 7770. The 7770 is now the low end, not the step below the flagship enthusiast cards. It's not the equivalent to the 5770 in any way other than price, IMO. And price will change to meet the demands of the market.

The 7850 or 7870 will be the real replacements for the 5770. They will be the cards that people buy who can't afford the best of the best but want something one or two steps down from the high priced highest tier.

That said, I'm still curious about the 7700 series for a couple reasons. I'm wondering how bitcoin mining performance is, especially mhash per watt, and I am wondering if any manufacturer will make a single slot 7770. If the price drops some and a single slot version is available, it may be a nice choice to make a very dense bitcoin mining box. Not as good as a 7970, but much cheaper and possibly just as efficient.
 
GaiaHunter said:
The explanation is that they don't want to compete with their old products, which are very competitive with NVIDIA old products.

Until NVIDIA brings competition and/or old AMD stock doesn't dry, it seems the 7xxx series will be all either priced high or overpriced.
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The question then is, why release now? Considering the 6000 series is doing well, why clog the market with overpriced cards that nobody's going to buy? Why not wait for NVidia to make its move? I can only see advantages to waiting.

First, from a performance point of view, if AMD waits, they get that more time to work on final details (drivers, probably).

Second, from a business point of view, they don't clog the market with too many cards that confuse people.

Third, from a marketing point of view, the only thing that the 7770 is getting now is bad press because it's overpriced.
 
At this rate i'm expecting the 7850/7870 to be in the same performance range of 6850/6870 give or take 10 fps, forcing people who has the upgrading itch to pay the extra cash for the 7950/7970.
 
Its like the article stated. They made the cards very power efficient but shot themselves in the foot with pricing. The 7770 is almost on par with the GTX460 in games but the 460 is cheaper? That is not good IMO.
 
IMO the 7750 and the 7770 could be easily put into a pre-built rig and would be useful for people who are watching the power supply and the watt values coming from their computer. Bit lower on price but its early days they might realise soon
 
Leadbox said:
They're actually, remember the switch from 57xx->68xx?
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Oh yes I get it now. So what AMD needs to do to earn more profit is to simply squeeze in more and more tiers. The lower tiers will simply offer the same price performance as old parts and the upper tiers will offer you the elusive performance increase if you pay for it. Good strategy there.
 
WMD said:
Oh yes I get it now. So what AMD needs to do to earn more profit is to simply squeeze in more and more tiers. The lower tiers will simply offer the same price performance as old parts and the upper tiers will offer you the elusive performance increase if you pay for it. Good strategy there.
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Nope, the lower tiers are covered by the APUs now
 
Where the card numbers supposedly place a card in the product stack is immaterial. They are not priced in 6670 territory and so they are not competing against it. If you charge 6850 prices, you'd better offer at least 6850 performance.
 
tincart said:
Where the card numbers supposedly place a card in the product stack is immaterial. They are not priced in 6670 territory and so they are not competing against it. If you charge 6850 prices, you'd better offer at least 6850 performance.
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Hey! What can I tell you, no more freebies from AMD I guess or at least none until the competition shows up....
 
Piano Man said:
AMD continues to deliver fail with their pricing of the 7xxx series...
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What's incredible is that it took a second wave of cards for all the AMD fan boys to realize that the 7000 series might as well be buried and forgotten. There is nothing good about the 7000 series (except power consumption), from top to bottom. There is no progress, it's 2008 performance with an adjusted price. The fact that the 7970 is the fastest GPU doesn't excuse it from being one step forward in relative performance and two step backwards in evolutionary performance.

This is the best chance NV has had since R600 to put a huge gap between their products. The only problem is NV has never been an economical company: because of AMD we are going to pay through the nose. Mark my words.
 
-Slacker- said:
From what I can gather ... 7750: Great for $110 ... 7770: Boooooooooooo!!! Booo you suck booooooooooooo!!
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The 7750 only makes sense if you're putting it in a low-power rig, like an HTPC/light gamer.
The pricing is still off, though. It really should only be about $75, tops.
 
JAG87 said:
This is the best chance NV has had since R600 to put a huge gap between their products. The only problem is NV has never been an economical company: because of AMD we are going to pay through the nose. Mark my words.
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So you're blaming NV's lack of economy on AMD?
 
Silverforce11 said:
Its ~50W less than the 6870 (making it an excellent card for a lot of cramped brand name systems).. I bet with some vcore mods it will overclock very well and scale.

But, should be ~$140 tops. AMD is obviously milking it with no competition.
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How can anything be milked if no one will buy it?
 
JAG87 said:
What's incredible is that it took a second wave of cards for all the AMD fan boys to realize that the 7000 series might as well be buried and forgotten. There is nothing good about the 7000 series (except power consumption), from top to bottom. There is no progress, it's 2008 performance with an adjusted price. The fact that the 7970 is the fastest GPU doesn't excuse it from being one step forward in relative performance and two step backwards in evolutionary performance.

This is the best chance NV has had since R600 to put a huge gap between their products. The only problem is NV has never been an economical company: because of AMD we are going to pay through the nose. Mark my words.
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Do not de-rail this thread into a discussion about the 7970 or the 7000 series as a whole.
If you want to do that, start a new thread.
 
Joseph F said:
The 7750 only makes sense if you're putting it in a low-power rig, like an HTPC/light gamer.
The pricing is still off, though. It really should only be about $75, tops.
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Why? It delivers on average the same performance as the HD 6770, consumes a lot less power, is smaller, and costs the same. There's no card from NVIDIA that directly competes with it, either, since the 6770 didn't directly compete with the 550 Ti, which is priced higher and is slightly faster.
 
JAG87 said:
What's incredible is that it took a second wave of cards for all the AMD fan boys to realize that the 7000 series might as well be buried and forgotten. There is nothing good about the 7000 series (except power consumption), from top to bottom. There is no progress, it's 2008 performance with an adjusted price. The fact that the 7970 is the fastest GPU doesn't excuse it from being one step forward in relative performance and two step backwards in evolutionary performance.

This is the best chance NV has had since R600 to put a huge gap between their products. The only problem is NV has never been an economical company: because of AMD we are going to pay through the nose. Mark my words.
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Surely it's because of NV that we will be paying through the nose?
AMD set their prices based on current market more or less (with an error with the 7770).

If NV don't change market pricing when they release new products, that's not because of AMD.
 
LOL_Wut_Axel said:
Why? It delivers on average the same performance as the HD 6770, consumes a lot less power, is smaller, and costs the same. There's no card from NVIDIA that directly competes with it, either, since the 6770 didn't directly compete with the 550 Ti, which is priced higher and is slightly faster.
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Haha, I agree with you. Craziness.

There are plenty of folks who want to play Star Wars on their shiny new Dell/HP/Acer/whatever and the 7750 just became the defacto card for that application IMHO.

The 7770 will come down, it has to. It's tiny die size and small memory buffer means that when the time is right (ie, nvidia is bringing competition) we'll see these cards at ~$75/~$100 like the current 6750/70.

I am excited about the compute power, as others have mentioned. Two 7770s folding away should do well without crushing your power bill, I am hoping for ~10k+ ppd each for F@H, ~7k ppd for the 7750 which is what the 5770 manages with the new OpenCL WU's. As they optimize work for GCN that can only get better 🙂

They do have FP too, even if it is slow it is there.

To be clear - I am not really "excited" by this launch, but glad to see things moving forward.

Also, will we hear complaining about IVB not moving the ball forward in regards to performance? There is a strong chance that IVB will be about perf/watt and not absolute performance and adding some features that are not immediately useful.
 
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