**OFFICIAL GTA:SA THREAD**

[notfred]

How does that look huge? If that was an actual town, that map would be enough streets to put housing on for maybe 5,000 people.

I've never really played any of the GTA games, but that map looks smaller than this: Monterey, CA - population 29,000

 

[Davegod]

Originally posted by: drag
Do what I'll do. Buy it for PS2, warez it for PC. I don't considure it stealing when you already own the freaking game! You already paid for it legitamentaly.

something freudian about the spelling there?



ps. Rockstar Games Ships Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for PlayStation2

 

[screw3d]

Originally posted by: notfred
How does that look huge? If that was an actual town, that map would be enough streets to put housing on for maybe 5,000 people.

I've never really played any of the GTA games, but that map looks smaller than this: Monterey, CA - population 29,000

If you have played previous GTAs, you would know that this map is WAY bigger.

GTA3 and Vice City's maps are not exactly small either.. you can spend a lot of time simply exploring the whole map

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: warcrow

Originally posted by: Naustica
I'm still trying to beat Vice City.

hehe, where are you stuck?

I'm not really stuck at one particular point. It's just that I rarely finish games and when I do, it usually takes me years.

 

[alm4rr]

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: drag
Do what I'll do. Buy it for PS2, warez it for PC. I don't considure it stealing when you already own the freaking game! You already paid for it legitamentaly.

Gee, aren't you all special and superior in your proud-to-be-stealing ways.:disgust: It doesn't matter if you don't consider it stealing because THE LAW considers it stealing! Under your non-logic, if you buy a car, you should steal a second one because you already bought the first.

If anyone wondered why games are laden with copy-protection that only punishes the paying customers by requiring CD keys, online activations or won't even run in certain makes of optical drives, say hello to the reason: Arrogant, smug, self-righteous braggerts who don't care who gets hurt as long as they get what they want for free.

Pathetic!:|:disgust:

0 / 10

The law does not and cannot dictate ethics.

Um, actually, that is the whole point of law

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: drag
It's not like I didn't pay for the game, what makes me morally obligated to pay for the same game twice simply because I want to play it on 2 slightly different formats?

Yeah!!! I bought a Ford, but I want a Porsche, so I'm just gonna help myself to one because there's no reason that I should have to pay for a car twice just because they're slightly different makes!!!

Doofus.:roll::disgust:

I bought and beat KOTOR and when the PC version came out, I BOUGHT that one too because I wanted to replay it with better graphics and the extra content AND to support a product that brought me great entertainment for about 50 cents an hour.

Rockstar won't miss your one sale amongst the millions they're sure to get, but that's not the point. You're an arrogant thief who seems to believe that your own selffish interests are the only ones that matter. One day, someone, just like YOU, is going to rip YOU off for something and when you complain, throw the same whackass "justification" that you're spewing here.

Hope you appreciate the irony of that moment.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: drag
It's not like I didn't pay for the game, what makes me morally obligated to pay for the same game twice simply because I want to play it on 2 slightly different formats?

Yeah!!! I bought a Ford, but I want a Porsche, so I'm just gonna help myself to one because there's no reason that I should have to pay for a car twice just because they're slightly different makes!!!

Doofus.:roll::disgust:

I bought and beat KOTOR and when the PC version came out, I BOUGHT that one too because I wanted to replay it with better graphics and the extra content AND to support a product that brought me great entertainment for about 50 cents an hour.

Rockstar won't miss your one sale amongst the millions they're sure to get, but that's not the point. You're an arrogant thief who seems to believe that your own selffish interests are the only ones that matter. One day, someone, just like YOU, is going to rip YOU off for something and when you complain, throw the same whackass "justification" that you're spewing here.

Hope you appreciate the irony of that moment.

Your logic is crap.

Playing for GTA on the PS2 and then wanting to play it in a PC is not the same thing as buying a ford and stealing a porche.

It's like buying a ford in Nevada and then being told I have to buy another one in order to drive it in California.

The flaw in your logic is that if I steal a porcshe then I am depriving someone else of their porcshe, I am taking a physical object that cost money and materials to construct and that some one else bought and paid for. If I take his car, then he does not have one.

If I copy a game to be played on PC that I already own for a playstation, that game content is bought and paid for by me previously.

If I buy GTA and let a freind borrow it and beat it, is that stealing it? Is that immoral? If I own a nintendo game and want to play it in emulation on the PC is it immoral to take the rom out of it and play it in a emulator even though Nintendo may have released a classic gaming pack for the PC? If I buy a DVD movie and then rip it and put it on my laptop so I could watch it on a trip without risking ruining the DVD is that ethicly wrong? If I make a mix tape of songs I record off of the radio, should I go to jail for that? If I buy a music cdrom and rip and encode some mp3's so that I could stream the songs to myself at work and play it their, is that wrong? If I buy a doom3 game and the cdrom gets broken and I download another copy, does that make me a criminal?

Your logic is crap. If somebody would to buy a game from me and then want to play it on a different format or computer system, that I couldn't care less. What comes around goes around, and I couldn't care less if this is it.

Now if somebody breaks into my house and tries to steal my computer I'll shoot him in the freaking head if he threatens me when I try to stop him.

Now if your smart you have a chance to convince me that I am wrong, but your going to have to do a hell of a lot better job then that.


edit:

Also in the past GTA games offered no extra content from one version to another. (all copies I've played so far are legatimently paid for) The only difference was that in PC versions you could hack the game and play around with physics and such. If the PC version offered new maps or different missions/added cars and stuff like that, then I'd pay for it. I bought most their other games, I've been a fan of rockstar since their first GTA games with the 2d top-down perspective.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: drag
Now if somebody breaks into my house and tries to steal my computer I'll shoot him in the freaking head if he threatens me when I try to stop him.

Go for body shots, if you get a head shot kill it generally gives the jury the impression that you were out to kill in offense rather than defense. Its too bad these video games you pirate don't teach you this otherwise you are fairly clever and could probably convince the jury of your innocence.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: drag
Now if somebody breaks into my house and tries to steal my computer I'll shoot him in the freaking head if he threatens me when I try to stop him.

Go for body shots, if you get a head shot kill it generally gives the jury the impression that you were out to kill in offense rather than defense. Its too bad these video games you pirate don't teach you this otherwise you are fairly clever and could probably convince the jury of your innocence.

Shows what you know. First off it's nearly impossible to hit somebody with a handgun in a stressfull unusual situation in the dark, so I'd be lucky to hit anything.. period.

Secondly this person would have to 1. break into my house 2. threaten me or my freinds. That means that there would be evidence of a break in and they would have to have some sort of deadly weapon: A knife, a crowbar, a bat, a gun. All those are equally deadly weapons in close quaters, it takes only a fraction of a second for somebody to stab you if they are within 15 feet of you, for instance.

Plus a deep stab wound is deadlier then a small pistol firearm. The loss of blood is usually what causes death, and you have a 75% chance of surviving even a serious gunshot wound.

There would be NO issue of innocence. I'd probably spend some time in jail, a couple nights. I doubt I could afford bail if they press charges, which they wouldn't. It's not my choice that somebody came into my house and attacked me, it's self-preservation.

1. I don't go looking for fights. Never have never will. (In fact I've never been in a fight in my life)
2. I don't want to hurt no one
3. I don't want to be hurt by no one.

I've had people point guns at me. I've even had a guy once offer me 400 dollars so I could show him were somebody was hiding at so that he could have a "talk" with him (just seconds after pulling a gun and threating to shoot my friend's dog if it wouldn't stop barking). (don't hang out with that "friend" anymore, btw)

Situations like that are not fun. I don't like it. I don't want to be involved in situations like that. I take great care to aviod situations like that. But sh1t happens and you have to know what is going on and be prepared.

Beleive me, I know the difference between a video game, and reality. One has no consiquences and nobody ever gets hurt and nothing bad never happens because you hit the reset button, the other one bad things happen and they are forever. Can you tell the difference?

The only reason that I mentioned something stupid like that is that guy was stupid enough to compare me getting a game I already own off of the internet with stealing a 50,000+ dollar car from somebody.

Of course once I said it, I knew somebody would be stupid enough to think he was smart enough to say something like you did.

 

[gUEv]

drag - you are not a badass, and you are not cool.
the fact that you guys are expending so much time and text into this is kinda sad


end of discussion kthx

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: gUEv
drag - you are not a badass, and you are not cool.
the fact that you guys are expending so much time and text into this is kinda sad


end of discussion kthx

First of: You don't know me. Don't pretend to think that you do.

Secondly it doesn't have anything to do with being a badass. I didn't do jack to experiance any of that, and I would of avoided it if I could of and if I knew of it before hand. It's called life. Crap happens, you do your best to avoid it, but sometimes your in a bad place at a bad time and your run into a bad person.

Most everybody, if they are old enough, have been in situations that sucked and they wish they avoided. Being a car accident, getting mugged, getting your house broken into. It sucks but these things do happen. And if you don't know what I am talking about then you've either been exceptionally lucky, exceptionally smart, haven't been around long enough, or realy sheltered.

If you want to go see a bad-ass go down to a largish metropolitin area in a large city and go talk to a verteren police officer. Or go talk to a person that's been in iraq.

In fact I regret saying anything at all.

Now on the otherhand if do you think that me downloading a video game I already own is like me going somewere and stealing a car?

 

[gUEv]

you are a nerd linux programmer typing alone in nebraska at 2:55am.


lol

the fact that you spend 5+ paragraphs responding makes me laugh. your "life" diatribe illustrates my point more that you think you are so "cool".

I do live in a large "metropolitin" (nice one) area. I have talked to "verteren" police officers and friends of mine currenttly serving in iraq....what is your point?


why dont you tell us more stories of gunplay or how you dont give a "sh1t" about the law, billy badass.

 

[drag]

case in point. people suck. Imagine if that was your girl freind or mom in the car.

I am just trying to get my point across. Sometimes I don't give a crap about what the law has to say on some subjects. On other things I care greatly.

Gunplay? How about me stealing a car? Yes I shouldn't of said anything, and usually it's easier to talk to people you know. And yes my spelling sucks. And yes I am bored out of my mind. And yes people do point guns at other people when your standing in a 7-11 parking lot with freinds 3 am in the morning BS'ing with each other while adding oil to their crap car and some drunk morons drive up and try to get in a fight with you (even in nebraska). I live in a city with well over a million people in it and crap happesn and I don't like it and I never pretended to be a bad-ass or be anything I am not. (right now I am sitting alone at work watching a stupid computer beep at me every 20 minutes. If I wasn't delerious with bordem I wouldn't be on this forums right now. I have better things to do, like sleep).

Personally I beleive that it's the duty of every person to be able to protect themselves and their household. People suck, people realy do suck. And if somebody is going to get uptight because I said that I would be willing to download a game that I already own, they are the ones that need a reality check.

 

[drag]

Look, I am sorry. I shouldn't of said anything, but sometimes I get exited and I just type out what I am thinking without thinking about it. I've done it before. It's not appropriate topic, this is about software, not me screwing around on the internet with other guys. Sorry.

Usually I am pretty good about restraining myself.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: DefRef
It doesn't matter if you don't consider it stealing because THE LAW considers it stealing!

Im not going to argue on Drag's point but i am going to point out that you may want to reconsider this arguement.

Have you ever had sex in a non missionary position? It doesnt matter what you consider it because in your state it may be illegal.

Unless everything you believe to be right agrees with the law I would retract or reword the arguement.

It used to be legal to own slaves... would this also be affected by your arguement? Did it not matter what the slaves thought because THE LAW considered it humane?

I am obviously pushing the extremes here I just think you should reword your arguement. If you cannot come up with something better than that I dont see how you could persuade him that what he has done is wrong.

I would suggest mentioning the work put into porting the game - he has not contributed to the salary of those who have ported the game. This is not an insignificant amount of work even though these coders are probably pretty adept at doing it now. How about extra features placed into the game.. including any SDK (he mentions mods) provided for the mod community. If these extra features are the reason you play the game then it is only logical that you should pay for them.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: alm4rr

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: drag
Do what I'll do. Buy it for PS2, warez it for PC. I don't considure it stealing when you already own the freaking game! You already paid for it legitamentaly.

Gee, aren't you all special and superior in your proud-to-be-stealing ways.:disgust: It doesn't matter if you don't consider it stealing because THE LAW considers it stealing! Under your non-logic, if you buy a car, you should steal a second one because you already bought the first.

If anyone wondered why games are laden with copy-protection that only punishes the paying customers by requiring CD keys, online activations or won't even run in certain makes of optical drives, say hello to the reason: Arrogant, smug, self-righteous braggerts who don't care who gets hurt as long as they get what they want for free.

Pathetic!:|:disgust:

0 / 10

The law does not and cannot dictate ethics.

Um, actually, that is the whole point of law

I would argue that the law provides only a social contract.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: drag
Do what I'll do. Buy it for PS2, warez it for PC. I don't considure it stealing when you already own the freaking game! You already paid for it legitamentaly.

Gee, aren't you all special and superior in your proud-to-be-stealing ways.:disgust: It doesn't matter if you don't consider it stealing because THE LAW considers it stealing! Under your non-logic, if you buy a car, you should steal a second one because you already bought the first.

If anyone wondered why games are laden with copy-protection that only punishes the paying customers by requiring CD keys, online activations or won't even run in certain makes of optical drives, say hello to the reason: Arrogant, smug, self-righteous braggerts who don't care who gets hurt as long as they get what they want for free.

Pathetic!:|:disgust:

0 / 10

Sometimes I don't give a sh1t about what the law has to say about some subjects. The law does not and cannot dictate ethics.

It's not like I didn't pay for the game, what makes me morally obligated to pay for the same game twice simply because I want to play it on 2 slightly different formats?

Okay so I ask how you have paid for the PC version. The formats do not differ "slightly" many man hours and expenses go into changing the game for PS2 to PC - they add things like the SDK and you said you hope for mods. They add support for all types of graphics cards (I seriously doubt you have the same one that is located inside of the PS2 its like a Rage2 or something) they might even add new features or tweak existing features.

To steal the PC version would be to take advantage of the people who did the porting and the work they did which is very seperate from the original coding.

I understand your point of view Drag I just believe that you have not thought it out fully.

 

[Kev]

So anyway... yeah, that is a pretty big map

 

[DannyLove]

heh, this is why I don't admit to warez on these boards... Just keep it to yourself.

BACK TO TOPIC. Big map, reminds me of the size of Mafia...

danny~!

 

[alm4rr]

I wonder if they have a map already of all the secret packages?

 

[blurredvision]

Map, map, map. Ya, the map is HUGE. Nice map indeed.............am I on subject??

 

[alm4rr]

Does the eating and working out thing take away from the pace of the game at all?

 

[blurredvision]

Just played a bit, about 40 minutes worth, and I like what I see so far. It looks to be the same, good ol' GTA. The graphics are a tad better, mostly seen in the excellent car models. The autos look much better now. The handling seems to have changed a bit, but it could be the rust of not playing a GTA game for almost a couple of years now. I'll get used to it. Plus, like somewhere said here or in another thread, they aren't shy about the cursing, so keep the little kiddies away. I would go so far as to guess about 40 or 50 curse words were said in the entire intro alone, no sh!t.

My favorite line I've heard so far when I was blocking them in the road: "You're just like an asshole! Always blocking sh!t up!"

 

[everman]

Picked it up earlier today and played a bit. There's so much stuff in there. There's the skate park for for bmx bike, a dance club that's kinda like DDR, the gym, clothing options, bunch of other stuff. really really big too.

 

[warcrow]

Ok guys, I got done playing for a little over two hours. Here is my first impressions:

- Like BV said, the GFX looks more refined than VC. and it mostly comes across in the models, not the texutres (although they're better as well, but the fuzziness of a TV kills it).

- Voice acting is done really well, just like the others.

- The whole RPG elements added into the game dont bring the game down like I thought it would. Its more like getting credit for the stuff you have always done in the GTA games. For instance, when you're riding a bike or driving a car, all of a sudden a little message pops up saying, "you can now drive better" or "you can now turn corners better".

- OMG, the cussing lol! I swear I've heard the N-word, b!tch and MF atleast 20 times now.

- The cars physics have deffinitly been redone, and it feels a little better.

- There was this one time I was driving around and took a random road that lead down this hill....all of a sudden I realized that I was on freeway with cars were zipping by. Seriously, it was cool. I would imagine that these freeways lead you out of the city to the others.

- I only saw it rain once, but the rain saw no longer just white lines streaking by. It was now more ambient. A little more misty and "Wet" looking. I'm not sure how to explain it, but it looked better.

- After playing a few missions, I checked out the map to see how much of the game I'd seen. When I opened up the map, it showed on LA and I had only hit about 1/10 of it! :shocked: This game is HUGE!

- I noticed that there was a water way going through the city, I ran my car down into and instantly felt like I was in Terminator 2!


....more later. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.