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Originally posted by: Hans Gruber
I am having trouble getting the GSkill ram listed below to boot at 4-4-4-12 timings. I have tried 2.0-2.2v and the ram will not boot at 400FSB. The closest I can get the ram to 400FSB is 360FSB at 4-4-4-12. I have the brand new F8 bios for the DS-3 motherboard. Is this ram comptable with the DS-3 board?

G.Skill Model Name : F2-6400CL4D-1GBPK (512MB x 2) / F2-6400CL4D-2GBPK (1GB x 2)

Overview : PC2-6400 (DDR2-800) 4-4-4-12 Dual Channel


Specification
Capacity 1GB (512MB x 2) / 2GB (1GB x 2)
Speed 800MHz DDR2 (PC2-6400)
CAS Latency CL 4-4-4-12
Test Voltage 1.9~2.0 Volts
PCB 6 Layers PCB
Registered/Unbuffered Unbuffered
Error Checking Non-ECC
Type 240-pin DIMM
Warranty Lifetime
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Hey Hans, this is John McClane. You have the same issue I have. When I use the F7 Bios and the CL4 ram from Gskills, everything boots nicely at 400 MHz (in fact my experiment showed me that It would boot at 440 MHz and probably higher if I allowed for more voltage). But after I upgraded to F8, all things went to hell (see my post a little earlier). I'm pretty it's not the RAM's fault. I think it might be the Mobo's FSB's fault. You might try increasing NB or FSB voltage to see if that solves the problem.

I went back to the F7 bios because why screw with something that actually works.
 
Thanks for your reply yiranhu. I agree, the ram is very nice to look at as well. I never tried the ram at 4-4-4-12 on the F7 bios becuase I just got the motherboard last week. I just assumed, incorrectly I guess that Gigabyte tested the F8 bios before releasing it.

Nice to know there are Die Hard fans out there. Most people sa, "i know that name, but I don't know where from."
 
Yeah!
BIOS F7

4-4-4-12 @ 2.0v

FSB 400FSB 1:1 and 8x multiplier.

Thanks for the tip!

F8 will probably screw others as well. Beware, F7 is where you need to be right now.
 
Originally posted by: Hans Gruber
Yeah!
BIOS F7

4-4-4-12 @ 2.0v

FSB 400FSB 1:1 and 8x multiplier.

Thanks for the tip!

F8 will probably screw others as well. Beware, F7 is where you need to be right now.
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The F8 bios includes an updated firmware for the JMicron controller, from 1.06.53 to 1.06.59.
If you flash back to F7, does the JMicron firmware stay at the new version, or does it also revert to the old firmware version?
 
Originally posted by: vailr
Originally posted by: Hans Gruber
Yeah!
BIOS F7

4-4-4-12 @ 2.0v

FSB 400FSB 1:1 and 8x multiplier.

Thanks for the tip!

F8 will probably screw others as well. Beware, F7 is where you need to be right now.
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The F8 bios includes an updated firmware for the JMicron controller, from 1.06.53 to 1.06.59.
If you flash back to F7, does the JMicron firmware stay at the new version, or does it also revert to the old firmware version?
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Reverts to the old version

 
Small problem with F8 for me. F7 worked fine at 460x7 w/E6300 and OCZ Platinum Rev 2 PC6400 (Promos chips) @ 2.1 Vram, 1.4Vcore, +0.1NB. Runs Orthos + 3DMark06 for 20+ hours with no problems. 475x6 POSTs but doesn't boot Windows, 485x6 doesn't even POST no matter what voltage applied, so RAM is a bottleneck. Decided to try F8 to see if I could get 470x7 stable (didn't work with F7), no luck, so I went back to 460x7. At first, no issues - then when I tried to turn on the computer in the morning after it was off all night, the mobo would turn on then off quickly 3 or 4 times before finally turning on at 460x7. Turned off the computer and turned it back on immediately, it worked right away. Strange. Leave it turned off for 5 minutes or more and it doesn't boot up right away, and this time it cleared all OC settings and reverted back to 266x7. I suspect it's because the CPU or RAM has had a chance to cool down and the F8 can't start it up cold? Weird. So I decided to flash back to F7, and what do you know - 460x7 works fine and the computer turns on every time, whether left off for 5 minutes or an hour.

I was still having issues with F7 and my X-Fi card, the limited testing I did with F8 it seemed OK. S3 suspend still doesn't work with F7 (when overclocked), ddin't get to try it with F8.

For anyone who has gotten 500x7 with an E6300, what kind of RAM and cooling are you using?
 
I finally got around to installing my DS3 and it works great with the F7 BIOS.

400FSB with no voltage tweaks and my "non- Micron 9" Corsair sticks that I was told were so worthless (honestly, I don't know what chips are on the RAM sticks because I haven't removed the heatsinks, lol) running at 5-5-5-12 stable.

Hey, this motherboard is all about getting something for nothing! 😀 Temps are fine too. Call me a happy camper with this DS3 board even with it being Rev. 1.0. 😀
 
Originally posted by: theelectic
Small problem with F8 for me. F7 worked fine at 460x7 w/E6300 and OCZ Platinum Rev 2 PC6400 (Promos chips) @ 2.1 Vram, 1.4Vcore, +0.1NB. Runs Orthos + 3DMark06 for 20+ hours with no problems. 475x6 POSTs but doesn't boot Windows, 485x6 doesn't even POST no matter what voltage applied, so RAM is a bottleneck. Decided to try F8 to see if I could get 470x7 stable (didn't work with F7), no luck, so I went back to 460x7. At first, no issues - then when I tried to turn on the computer in the morning after it was off all night, the mobo would turn on then off quickly 3 or 4 times before finally turning on at 460x7. Turned off the computer and turned it back on immediately, it worked right away. Strange. Leave it turned off for 5 minutes or more and it doesn't boot up right away, and this time it cleared all OC settings and reverted back to 266x7. I suspect it's because the CPU or RAM has had a chance to cool down and the F8 can't start it up cold? Weird. So I decided to flash back to F7, and what do you know - 460x7 works fine and the computer turns on every time, whether left off for 5 minutes or an hour.

I was still having issues with F7 and my X-Fi card, the limited testing I did with F8 it seemed OK. S3 suspend still doesn't work with F7 (when overclocked), ddin't get to try it with F8.

For anyone who has gotten 500x7 with an E6300, what kind of RAM and cooling are you using?
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I don't suppose it has occured to you that buying a slightly more expensive CPU would save you the expense of more expensive RAM and a better HSF or extreme cooling?

This is a long-running argument I have with several people on this board... why use an E6300($191) and $300 worth of RAM to acheive what an E6400($224) and $120 worth of RAM can do? The CPU price diff is way less than the RAM you might be considering.

I guess I don't get why people work backwards, lol. 😛 Probably never will figure that one out but I got a CPU that runs faster than an X6800 and runs cool for cheap.

This is what overclocking is about my friends. It's not about your RAM or your watercooling/phasechange device. It's about slapping a reasonably priced heatsink/fan on a stock CPU and owning the hell out of people who think they can simply buy the best by paying the most money. 😀

 
I completely agree with th previous post. Why would anybody buy the 6300 when the 6400 has the higher multiplier. I will answer my own question. Becuase they're stupid, cheap, naive and uneducated.

I too went with the 6400, I may be a cripple but I'm a genius. I bought the monsterous Thermalright Ultra 120 heatsink and slapped on a thermaltake almost silent green silly looking glow in the dark fan. This 120mm fan blows like a hurricane. I crank the voltages way up for sport.

I bought the el cheapo GSkill 4-4-4-12 2.0v 800Mhz stuff. The F8 bios sucks. I've been running this beast as high as 410FSB with 4-4-4-12 timings. I plan to crank up the voltage on that ram for more sporting fun. If I break it, I will buy some more and do it again.

I will settle for 3.5Ghz eventually.
 
so what is repectable for this board? I'm at 3.15 with pretty high voltages and really nice ram... My 3Dmark scores aren't all that great either. I'm considering dumping this baord for something different: which boards seem to be doing the best right now?
 
Hey Piston, that score do you get in 3dmark06? I get around 4082, i have the following

gigabyte DS3
e6300 @ 2.4ghz (stock voltage)
2x1gb Patriot 667mhz ram @ 864mhz 5-5-5-15
evga nvidia 7800gt at stock speed


if your score is around the same as mine, then it means you probably need a better video card i think
 
Originally posted by: Beachboy
This is what overclocking is about my friends. It's not about your RAM or your watercooling/phasechange device. It's about slapping a reasonably priced heatsink/fan on a stock CPU and owning the hell out of people who think they can simply buy the best by paying the most money. 😀
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No, for a lot of people overclocking is simply about pushing the limits of the hardware to see how far it can go. Although I love a great deal and price/performance ratio, it's not necessarily about "free" extra performance.
 
everyone overclocks for their own reasons, id say alot of it is bragging rights against the rich and because were cheap to be frank lol. Some people do it just to do it, so they can say i made this go to x or y and its x% above, but alot of us just want that high end top of the line performance and we cant justify the cost and are too cheap/broke. Me overclocking is representative of everything I do in my entire life. Honestly if I was rich and could afford a c2d EE, id probabbly OC that too. I cant leave things alone and have to tweak it all to its maximum potential whether its my car, computer, or whatever.
 
Originally posted by: Hans Gruber
I completely agree with th previous post. Why would anybody buy the 6300 when the 6400 has the higher multiplier. I will answer my own question. Becuase they're stupid, cheap, naive and uneducated.
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I was going to leave this alone, but I can't.

I suppose the person who bought the 6600 would look down on you and say the same things? Or maybe they are a little more thoughtful and would hold their tongue, knowing that they might insult someone who had just put together a system they were very proud of.

I wonder what you will say about me when I purchase an E4300? No, actually I don't wonder.

I DON'T CARE!!


 
I agree with redhawk. It all depends on how far you are going with a processor. True that 6400 can probably be pushed a little further than 6300. But if all I want is to go to some reasonably good OC then 6300 serves the purpose very well. A setup of 6300 and $200 ram can get you to around 3.0 GHz without too much trouble. I'm satisfied with that...
 
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: ThePiston
I get about 9930-10K with the 9700GT at 585Mhz which apparently is fairly low with my specs
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WTF.... according to these results
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=233652

theres no way you could score that high with a single 7900gt...
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well well - maybe I'm not doing so bad after all. When I check my results online the graph says there are about 65 computers "like mine" and I am way down at the end. I'll go by your results page instead - thanks dood.

PS - that's no lie - my last result was 9930 when I had the card at 578Mhz. I upped it to 585Mhz but the 3dmark result website was down and I didn't get my result, but I'm guessing it's around 10K. I'll post the screen shot when i get home.

**EDIT** I am using 3Dmark05, not 06 which is what all of those people are using in that link. this is the link you want to look at: http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=215893
 
That cold boot issue is the issue with the F8 bios most of us have had. The reason I went back to my vdimm limited P5B-E, same OC but at least saves OC on bootup.

My 6300 will do 515 stable, using OCZ 6400 (5-5-5-15 @ 2.1 stuff). Just have a 120 yate loon blowing over the memory.


As for why you'd buy a 6400 over the 6300.... I had 2 6400s and they were terrible overclockers. My experience with the 6300s have been that they are better overclockers and worth the expense of better memory (Im already water cooled.)
 
It's luck of the draw as far as CPU's are concerned. From everything I've read, the 6300 and 6400 overclock better than the 4mb cache expensive cards. I didn't say the 6300 sucks. What sucks is the multiplier. Working backwords, because of the 7x multiplier, the 6300 is an unwise investment.

Do you think Mercedes Benz owners like terrible reliability of the Mercedes? Chrysler is more reliable than Mercedes but people still buy them. In fact, that goes for every German car. Bad reliabilty does not make the cars bad, just an unwise investment. The same could be said about the CD2, though compleletly reliable is needs the best ram to overclock well.

What's wrong with insulting the ego's of other techno geeks? Buying a 6300 represents a poor economic decision if overclocking is part of your agenda. The young generation of kids 25 years and younger has always been told they are good. Team building exercises are also used to avoid disappointment. If you suck, fix it. I make mistakes all the time. I incorrectly assumed that the Gigabyte F8 bios would correct any problems that previously exisited in F7. This is not the case with F8 and a forum member made me aware of this issue. Now I am running F7 and my memory timings are 4-4-4-12.

Hearing a 6300 user talk about dumping his Gigabyte motherboard for another is absurd. I'm getting 3.2Ghz without doing anything but running the ram at default 800Mhz. Why would anybody want to get another board if forum members and professional reviews say great things about the DS3? I can understand adding a new graphics card and better ram, but why the board?

I have the Thermalright Ultra 120 for a heatpipe. My DS3 would not post. I read every forum and the consensus was to RMA the board. I didn't join MENSA at 13 to give up so easily. Though not a prodigy, I am a genius and better than most. However, I always benefit from the advice and wisdom of others on these forums.

I estimate 25% of the forum members are competent builders of computer systems. I've only RMA'd one product in 5 years building my own computers. This was on the first computer I ever built. I sent back a 9700pro and in hindsight the problem was a motherboard issue.

I sat in my car contemplating starting the engine in the garage and taking a long deep sleep. Making mistakes was never tollerated by my father. He always told me I was a pipe dream and would never amount to sh-it. Only 10-15 more years until I get my well deserved inheritence.

When I insult someone, it's not a life long personal attack. If you're stupid, stop being stupid. If you're unskilled, stop being unskilled. Nothing is ever learned from accepting complacentcy. No matter how much or how little I accomplish in life, I will always feel at some level completely worthless.

Did anybody know that crime rates dropped when legalized abortion was enacted in the 1970's. I have learned that static electricity is the number #1 cause of computer component failure. Learn how to ground yourself before touching anything. If you cannot learn to ground yourself, get a static strap.

On this DS3 board I have banged and dropped many components including slightly dinging a stick of ram. Everything still works perfect.

If you are good, be good. If you are worthless figure out why. If you want to live strong like Lance Armstrong, use drugs, befriend those who helped you and lie about drug use. We live in a world of sliding moral value. We live in a world where ethics are ignored for superior moral standing. Problem is morals by themselves are unethical and therefore a complete waste of time.

This has been a public service announcement for the bettering of the home built computer users.
 
WOW! good post. Haven't seen anything this good in a long time.

Just some comments:
1. Mercedes Benz is one of the most reliable cars around. Chrysler is notorious for failing. Take it from an auto-engineer that people buy Mercedes for many things including its reliability.
2. 6300 is an excellent investment if you plan to build a budget system that will be clocked to around 3 GHz. Not everybody can afford the 40 to 50 dollars difference between 6300 and 6400. Yes when I bought my 6300, I paid 170 while a 6400 would've cost 220.
3. Dumping DS3 for another similar board is strange.
4. Why would a heatpipe cause DS3 not to boot?
5. You joined mensa at 13 but your father always said you will amount to nothing? LOL?
6. Actually when you insult someone, you make yourself look like a jackass. By your logic, people who know something you don't needs to insult you constantly until you learn. Hopefully you weren't brought up this way, because if you were...i feel sorry for you.
7. Did anybody know that correlation is not causation? Grounding is important... if you're not grounded, you can float so far up that you lose your head...
8. I play basketball with my power supply... it works great... bad for rebounding though...
9. Lance Armstrong is the man! Did you guys see him run the NY marathon? He did that shdt in less than 3 hours!!! That's less than 7 minutes per mile!!! I tried a few 9 milers before but couldn't get my time below 8.5 minutes per mile... I don't know how he does that... He's amazing...

Thanks again!
 
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