Originally posted by: Killrose
I don't own an A64 or FX55 CPU, let alone a PCI-e slotsome lowly Barton XP CPU benches would be apreciated.
The card isnt available in AGP, so you wont see barton CPU scaling.
The card isnt available in AGP, so you wont see barton CPU scaling.
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I'm not trying to start a console vs PC war. But you have to face facts. Console games are easier for the developer and distributors. And if the consoles can promote more enhanced gaming engines, then it should do the same for the PC. Wishful - but you got to admit the gaming industry on the PC has been pretty "stagnant" with "rehashed" and "boring crap".
Granted that the PC has always been the developers test bed. However it's the developers trying to sell their idea to the producers. The ones that have the resources and capital to make it possible for the games to make it to the global market and into our hard drives that's been causing the stall.
Granted that the PC has always been the developers test bed. However it's the developers trying to sell their idea to the producers. The ones that have the resources and capital to make it possible for the games to make it to the global market and into our hard drives that's been causing the stall.
Leaving that aside, if graphics cards continue to expand in price like this, I'm moving to console.
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Same here...although maybe I overpaid at $337.
What the hell? I can't find 6800 GT PCI-E for much under $360 *NOW*. That's why I skipped last generation. It STILL hasn't dropped in price after all this time, at least not for PCI-E. And PCI-E is the important part, here. The 7800GTX is PCI-E only, so don't go comparing it to AGP.
Best pricewatch pricing:
6800 GT 256MB - $360
6800 Ultra 256MB - $490
7800 GTX 256MB - $599
That price is VERY well in line with the performance boost IMHO. And when you compare it to the $600 the PCI-E GT was just 4 or 5 months ago, and the fact you couldn't even FIND Ultras, and if you did they were $800 (almost a year after release, no less), the fact you can get a GTX on launch day for $600 this time is nothing short of amazing to me.
I've already ordered one. I may have some buyer's remorse if the Ultra comes out in a few months with 32 pipes like people are guessing, but this card should be powerful enough to make me happy and run every cutting edge game reliably for at least a couple of years. And I'm due an upgrade from this PCX 5750 I originally thought I'd use for a couple of months and then replace with a 6800 Ultra. The 6800 Ultra never reached a price point I felt was worthwhile. $490 today for 13-month-old hardware is rediculous. $600 for 0-day hardware is not.
A year ago, AGP was far more common than it is today (and PCIE far less so). Most of us have likely picked up a new athlon 64 939 rig in the past 12 months sometime.
True, but that just reinforces the logic that the low price of AGP cards is a result of flushing old technology out of the channel and into the hands of low-end and midrange buyers. At the high end, PCI-E reigns, and $600 compared to the PCI-E price points the 7800GTX directly competes with isn't worthy of the sticker shock people are attributing to it.
Make a list of prices and performance and the 7800GTX doesn't look so good. Remove all the AGP data and suddenly the price looks pretty much in line with expectations. So those of us with PCI-E systems don't see the price as too high. Hell, three months ago we couldn't get a 6800U for this price. I'm SO happy to see a real launch instead of one that doesn't even result in something I can touch and feel 12 months later.
Why is everyone saying the 7800 is cpu limited? Is it because it failed to meet your expectations and you're looking for something to blame that it's holding the gf7800 back from reaching it's full potential? If it gets 92 fps in Farcry at 10x7, and then drops to 46 fps at 16x12, then no way is it cpu limited, it's just the limit of the card, whether you like it or not. You might get a few fps boost from better drivers, but it's never gonna reach 92 fps at 16x12 in that benchmark, even if you hook it up to an fx57 on Vapochill.
Linky
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We are saying its CPU limited because it is often within 5% of the ultra.
Edit: i am betting the GTX will benefit TREMENDOUSLY from newer/faster cpus, and more efficient games (more shaders, and SMP aware, and hardware physics). On top of that, id love to see what nvidias new drivers optimised for SMP will do.
Sweet. Yeah, I expected this. The PCI-E iterations of the last generation were just too expensive to sell now that the 7800GTX is around. The more I see people talk about $600 being overpriced, the more they appear to have AGP tunnel-vision. On the PCI-E side of things, the prices were never any good for last gen, so $600 doesn't look so bad. Time for PCI-E 6800 to match AGP 6800 in price, or at least reach a better balance!
I don't know... ATI didn't drop the price on the 9800XT all that much even after the X800 line came out. It wasn't until VERY recently that the 9800XT price dropped to a level equal to its performance against Nvidia cards.
Hopefully Nvidia won't do the same.
Hopefully Nvidia won't do the same.
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