**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[silverpig]

I look and see lots of people's gear that have high dps, but they have barely anything for survival. Why? How the hell do you survive and isn't it annoying to constantly die.

A buddy of mine found a witching hour recently. He let me borrow it. So, I modified my wiz gear and skillz for max dps, went up to something like 160k. I was like wow, awesome. Ran into my first reflects pack and died. Anyhow with this dps build, I was down to 23k hp, 4-500 AR, no loh, no ls. Not worth it. I would rather run with 80k dps, 35k+ hp, 2k loh and/or 3 ls with my sunkeeper that brings me down to 65k dps, 600 or so AR.

Yeah that typically doesn't work well.

My DH is pretty low on life (~23k I think), but has 720 AR (which can be increased to 800+ if I go with a boar companion). Also DHs have the shadow power - gloom skill which reduces incoming damage by 35% and increases LS by some ungodly amount.

I think I'm at 130k dps unbuffed right now. ~2250 dex, 46.5% CC, 327% CD. Not sure what IAS I am at.

 

[rstrohkirch]

they put on gear with high dps so they can get ranked on some progress websites. glass cannon doesn't work on inferno anymore, unless you're a DH using old nat's set...

Doesn't work anymore? The game has gotten easier with every patch and glass cannon is even more viable now thanks to MP level system.

I look and see lots of people's gear that have high dps, but they have barely anything for survival. Why? How the hell do you survive and isn't it annoying to constantly die.

A buddy of mine found a witching hour recently. He let me borrow it. So, I modified my wiz gear and skillz for max dps, went up to something like 160k. I was like wow, awesome. Ran into my first reflects pack and died. Anyhow with this dps build, I was down to 23k hp, 4-500 AR, no loh, no ls. Not worth it. I would rather run with 80k dps, 35k+ hp, 2k loh and/or 3 ls with my sunkeeper that brings me down to 65k dps, 600 or so AR.

Every class needs some form of ls or loh like already mentioned. At 160k dps fully buffed in archon, you'd have 0 problems running mp2-3 even with very little armor or resists. You simply needed around 2-3% LS. You'd melt everything before it even touched you and at 2% LS with 160k a tick you'd suck 640 life .

 

[bonkers325]

Doesn't work anymore? The game has gotten easier with every patch and glass cannon is even more viable now thanks to MP level system.



Every class needs some form of ls or loh like already mentioned. At 160k dps fully buffed in archon, you'd have 0 problems running mp2-3 even with very little armor or resists. You simply needed around 2-3% LS. You'd melt everything before it even touched you and at 2% LS with 160k a tick you'd suck 640 life .

true, at low MP level you can do pretty much anything as long as you have the DPS to kill stuff before they touch you. but if you're hunting keys and doing ubers, you will want to do it at higher MP levels where glass cannon builds don't work too well imo. keys/ubers is awful on low mp levels.

 

[Imp]

Yeah that typically doesn't work well.

My DH is pretty low on life (~23k I think), but has 720 AR (which can be increased to 800+ if I go with a boar companion). Also DHs have the shadow power - gloom skill which reduces incoming damage by 35% and increases LS by some ungodly amount.

I think I'm at 130k dps unbuffed right now. ~2250 dex, 46.5% CC, 327% CD. Not sure what IAS I am at.

My DH is finally at 141k dps as configured (no sharpshooter), 45% CC, 345%-ish CD, 2600 dex, and I think 1.8 attacks per second.

Defense is about 600 life regen, no LoH, no LS, 47k health, 360 average resists, and 3500 armor.

I can walk over everything easily on MP2, but all other MP levels get harder. It's not survivability that's the issue, it's that things take so long to die that it isn't really fun or productive. I have a ring and amethyst imbued Manticore which adds up to 1500 LoH in my inventory for when I run into Reflect Damage elites.

About 150k dps should be reachable if I can find a good pair of boots with run speed, AR, dex, and vit. My current pair, still, only has 118 dex, which is really low. Every day I pick up pairs with 150+ dex that add a few thousand dps, but missing at least 1 of the other essentials, so I pass them over.

 

[rstrohkirch]

My DH is finally at 141k dps as configured (no sharpshooter), 45% CC, 345%-ish CD, 2600 dex, and I think 1.8 attacks per second.

Defense is about 600 life regen, no LoH, no LS, 47k health, 360 average resists, and 3500 armor.

I can walk over everything easily on MP2, but all other MP levels get harder. It's not survivability that's the issue, it's that things take so long to die that it isn't really fun or productive. I have a ring and amethyst imbued Manticore which adds up to 1500 LoH in my inventory for when I run into Reflect Damage elites.

About 150k dps should be reachable if I can find a good pair of boots with run speed, AR, dex, and vit. My current pair, still, only has 118 dex, which is really low. Every day I pick up pairs with 150+ dex that add a few thousand dps, but missing at least 1 of the other essentials, so I pass them over.

Time to start a barb =]

 

[Wyndru]

Maybe I don't understand buffed vs. unbuffed, but are these people really doing over 500k damage unbuffed?
http://www.diabloprogress.com/rating.stat_dps_unbuffed

I can't imagine ever hitting that point

Here is one example (the highest on eu)
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/qhdj2012-2799/hero/12695624

 

[rstrohkirch]

Yes it's unbuffed but those people also have essentially the best gear in the game. Their gear is worth thousands of dollars.

 

[digiram]

All you need is 1000-1400k loh up to mp 5 five and you shouldnt have issue. No reason to ignore dps gear, nor do u really need to stack much survival gear other than resist. I do 180k dps w my witch doctor and 1000 to 1400 loh keeps me alive fine. My rings ammy and belt suck too so theres more damage to be done yet.

I'm not saying that we should ignore dps, I'm just saying that it's silly to show off a character that has no means for survival, but does a shit ton of damage. When it's likely that that isn't their real build.

BTW, my WD can get up to 150k dps with 2.9 ls and 400 loh, but I like my 800 loh ammy that brings me down to about 120 dps, but nets me 1200 loh. Also, loh proc with rain of toads or acid is awesome.

I feel alot stronger with my WD that shares almost the same items as my wiz, than with my wiz.

 

[Imp]

Maybe I don't understand buffed vs. unbuffed, but are these people really doing over 500k damage unbuffed?
http://www.diabloprogress.com/rating.stat_dps_unbuffed

I can't imagine ever hitting that point

Here is one example (the highest on eu)
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/qhdj2012-2799/hero/12695624

That second guy has the best equipment in the game pretty much. His gems alone are worth about 140 million gold. Everything else I saw had IAS, CC, and CD. Those go for about a hundred million a piece.

 

[Schfifty Five]

I got a manticore last night. Was all excited and said to myself "c'mon 2Billion lottery!", IDed it, and then LOLed.

It had like 1050 dps, 1 socket, 280+ strength and 150+ int. What a joke.

 

[digiram]

I got a manticore last night. Was all excited and said to myself "c'mon 2Billion lottery!", IDed it, and then LOLed.

It had like 1050 dps, 1 socket, 280+ strength and 150+ int. What a joke.

lol, that's exactly what happened when I found my first and only manticore.

 

[smackababy]

lol, that's exactly what happened when I found my first and only manticore.

Every good legendary I find ends up like this. =(

 

[digiram]

Every good legendary I find ends up like this. =(

I feel your pain, but I've been lucky enough to run into a few gems. However, I've put in 500+hrs on my WD and 100 or close to that on a couple other classes.

I have a buddy that seems to always run into stacked items and has played less than me so rng is def. Part of the equation, but enough hrs will yeild good items to.

 

[Imp]

I got a manticore last night. Was all excited and said to myself "c'mon 2Billion lottery!", IDed it, and then LOLed.

It had like 1050 dps, 1 socket, 280+ strength and 150+ int. What a joke.

Expensive Manticores are pretty rare. They have to be well over 1000 dps and have 2 sockets to get into the tens of millions. I scored a 900 dps 2 socket Manticore a while back, but it was worse than my 1060 dps, single socket because of dex, I think.

 

[silverpig]

Expensive Manticores are pretty rare. They have to be well over 1000 dps and have 2 sockets to get into the tens of millions. I scored a 900 dps 2 socket Manticore a while back, but it was worse than my 1060 dps, single socket because of dex, I think.

I managed to grab a 1240 dps single socket manticore with a bunch of dex. It's way better than the 1000 dps dual sockets I see on the AH in terms of giving me dps.


Also, I'm still at a 1:4 ratio of sets:legendaries. Just did a quick VotA run and found some crap lacunis, and a pretty decent litany of the undaunted.

16x str
68 AR
30-60 dmg
4.5% cc
2xx life per second
7% something else

Put it up for 24M. It's the cheapest buyout of the similarly spec'd rings there.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Expensive Manticores are pretty rare. They have to be well over 1000 dps and have 2 sockets to get into the tens of millions. I scored a 900 dps 2 socket Manticore a while back, but it was worse than my 1060 dps, single socket because of dex, I think.

Yeah it's got to have 2 OS, high CD%, dex, and probably 1100+ dps for it to be worth a lot. I wasn't expecting it to be great, but it's like when you play the lotto when the jackpot is at $250M+. You buy your tickets not expecting to win but there's always that glimmer of hope and "what if".

 

[waterjug]

Yeah that typically doesn't work well.

My DH is pretty low on life (~23k I think), but has 720 AR (which can be increased to 800+ if I go with a boar companion). Also DHs have the shadow power - gloom skill which reduces incoming damage by 35% and increases LS by some ungodly amount.

I think I'm at 130k dps unbuffed right now. ~2250 dex, 46.5% CC, 327% CD. Not sure what IAS I am at.

I like shadow power, I don't use gloom with it though, I use the rune that bumps LS to 25%. I can use multishot vs. an elite pack that's hammering me and as long as I keep firing I stay at full life.


Also, my dry spell on legendaries is getting ridiculous; cleared NM & first two acts of Hell on MP10 and haven't seen one.

 

[waterjug]

I managed to grab a 1240 dps single socket manticore with a bunch of dex. It's way better than the 1000 dps dual sockets I see on the AH in terms of giving me dps.


Also, I'm still at a 1:4 ratio of sets:legendaries. Just did a quick VotA run and found some crap lacunis, and a pretty decent litany of the undaunted.

16x str
68 AR
30-60 dmg
4.5% cc
2xx life per second
7% something else

Put it up for 24M. It's the cheapest buyout of the similarly spec'd rings there.

Are you running MP10?

 

[Imp]

I like shadow power, I don't use gloom with it though, I use the rune that bumps LS to 25%. I can use multishot vs. an elite pack that's hammering me and as long as I keep firing I stay at full life.


Also, my dry spell on legendaries is getting ridiculous; cleared NM & first two acts of Hell on MP10 and haven't seen one.

Whichever one makes you invincible for 1 second is my prefered. The way I see it, life steal just gives you more health, but if some big shot or a ton of shit is coming at you, it won't matter how much life you steal.

 

[silverpig]

I like shadow power, I don't use gloom with it though, I use the rune that bumps LS to 25%. I can use multishot vs. an elite pack that's hammering me and as long as I keep firing I stay at full life.


Also, my dry spell on legendaries is getting ridiculous; cleared NM & first two acts of Hell on MP10 and haven't seen one.

n/m

 

[silverpig]

Are you running MP10?

Mostly mp5 solo for farming legendaries. It is fast enough that I don't spend forever taking down white packs, and gives me a good chance at a key when I go for the warden.

For ubers I usually do mp7-8.

Also that litany of the undaunted I found sold within a few hours for the 24M buyout.

 

[digiram]

Sick of HF rings.. Have made about 7-8. All crap

 

[badb0y]

Sick of HF rings.. Have made about 7-8. All crap

I made like 30 lol

 

[Imp]

I've made 0...

 

[Jumpem]

Sick of HF rings.. Have made about 7-8. All crap

I made like 30 lol

How long is taking you guys to get all of the keys, and then the organs?

I've been doing a bunch of runs at MP1, and have yet to get a key or the blacksmith plans. I'm not geared well enough to do MP5-7 like I see people here are. I could do MP3, but it takes so much longer.