Dumac
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Diablo 3 had an awful story and raped the lore.
And loot was not the only bad part about Diablo 3.
Diablo 3 had an awful story and raped the lore.
And loot was not the only bad part about Diablo 3.
poe is more diablo than d3. I wont be buying any d3 expack, they already fooled me once.
Blizzard isn't what it used to be
Blizzard isn't what it used to be
to you it had an awful story and raped the lore I enjoyed it all. And yes to me the loot and thus the AH was the only part of D3 i didn't like.
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I'm still not sure if I'm going to buy this expansion, I got disappointed by d3 and some of the developers choices
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This thread inspired me to go download PoE. I still wish I could get my money back from blizzard for that abortion of a game called Diablo 3.
I doubt it will be, I've played a combination of Master and Torment I with a level 70 Crusader for like 30 hours now, the majority of my gear is still from my Level 60 D3 vanilla barb (helm, amulet, rings, boots, gloves, shield, bracers) and most of the loot is still garbage. I've been using a 2 million gold Skorn from the AH for like 50 hours now and just found a slight upgrade. I've done a million bounties and still haven't seen anything remotely like what they showed in Gamescon.
Imagine drop rates slightly better than D3 right now and being handcuffed to Self-Found and that's what you got--the drop rates are still the same, grinding 3000 hours for a Crit Mempo. The drop rates at least in the beta ROS right now is NOTHING like the console.
The videos currently up on youtube are all based on the Friends & Family Beta. When the game went into closed beta they nerfed the drop rates by like 98%. All the stuff you saw the streamers get was just to drum up hype for ROS.
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Are you joking??? The cain's death scene was a slap in the face.
lets not forget act 3 epic story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcJ_XT3oWtY&t=1m10s
apparently blizzard agrees with you that the story was awesome though cus I remember you have to skip the cutscenes every time forever with no option to disable them.
Such a bad game
If you played diablo 3 and you didn't come to the conclusion that the blizz team had no idea how to make a good arpg then we must have played different games. I'll be playing PoE. Half ass game development shouldn't be rewarded with the amount of money blizzard already made on the original game, which was far worse than anything blizzard had ever released prior.
They literally took the aspects of WoW that wouldn't work in an ARPG and used them in diablo 3. Then they dumbed things down over several iterations, removing features and complexity until it was essentially gauntlet legends (minus the fun). With PoE they took ideas from WoW and FF7 that actually work really well (materia -> skill gems, instances from wow). They made the game complex enough that you can still learn and become better after a year. Even if you fully understand all the game mechanics and have memorized most of the skill tree and know all the popular builds, the economy is still complex enough to warrant some university level classes to master. I've played PoE since closed beta and I still learn stuff daily and become a better player. Next 4 month league I'll know more and be able to do more with the 4 months than this league.
p.s. how's the arena pvp working out or the new itemization they promised like a year ago.
p.p.s. I was the hugest blizzard fan and diablo 3 fan up until about a week after release. I thought some of their plan for the game sounded bad, but it was blizzard and they would do it right. The amount of bad decisions that went into diablo 3 is astounding and I don't even understand how anyone can say that it was a good game or lived up to their expectations. I honestly do not understand how anyone played the game for more than a month. It was not just a disappointment, it was mind boggling how many poor choices/design decisions went into this game and how bad it ended up being. I mean before diablo 3 blizzard had never released anything that wasn't great, and yet here is this awful game with 7 years in development that feels like it got rushed together in six months and released for quick $$$.
Then there is the fact that the game has hardly changed in the last 1.5 years and is still essentially garbage, and any big changes promised either got cancelled or delayed until the expansion. If you give blizzard money for this expansion you aren't just doing yourself a disfavor, you are doing gamers all over the world a huge disfavor.
TLDR; http://www.pathofexile.com/ go there download game, do not buy diablo 3 or expansion
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Nintendesert
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Anytime I see a diablo 3 praise thread I palm my forehead and proceed to crap all over the game. I played it 400 hours in the first 4 weeks, killed diablo on inferno on may 21st (world 10th or so maybe? I know I could have won a top of the line laptop from incgamers if I had sent the kill video but me and my friend forgot to fraps it and were unaware until too late) and made over $2000 when cashing out. Also had gear comparable to Athene's without spending money or receiving handouts. Haven't touched it since. It wasn't my lack of playtime or not seeing what the game has to offer that made me realize its a terrible game, but more the fact that it's a terrible game.
After the first week my only real reason to continue playing was that so many other people were playing and I was in a small minority farming act 3 getting blue items that sold for millions of gold, so while the game was disappointing at least I was getting rich. I farmed act 3 for a while, tried other things, but nothing really was as efficient as just doing the one area of act 3. Once it was obvious from the first few patches that there was no hope I sold all my gear over a two day period and uninstalled.
Just for reference in diablo 2 I had a level 99 in softcore, level 97 in hardcore, multiple accounts farming annihilus and torch charms, on and off over many years.
In PoE I played a few hundred hours in closed beta, got to level 86 in a few weeks in open beta and was top 20 on ladder for a couple weeks, and continued playing for a while. In release I am still playing all day and am enjoying it quite a lot with maybe 100 exalt net worth, level 88 main and many alts.
Not a casual gamer by any means, no 10 hours and then join the crowd of naysayers, more like play the shit out of the game and kill diablo months before the general population and realize pretty quickly how bad the game is.
I would say the only fun I had with d3 was the first 24 hours after release (not counting the first few hours of unable to log in) leveling with some friends up until the start of act 2 inferno, at which point I basically had to say goodbye to my friends since 2 were barbarians and couldn't do jack shit. I could at least kill champions with my demon hunter if I kept up invincibility just right and didnt mispress a button by half a second, which would result in me instantly dying to a fart on the wind.
p.s. the amount of improvement in PoE since the start of the year (open beta) to now is 100x greater than the improvement of diablo 3 release to now (just over 1.5 years) and it was already better back then.
After the first week my only real reason to continue playing was that so many other people were playing and I was in a small minority farming act 3 getting blue items that sold for millions of gold, so while the game was disappointing at least I was getting rich. I farmed act 3 for a while, tried other things, but nothing really was as efficient as just doing the one area of act 3. Once it was obvious from the first few patches that there was no hope I sold all my gear over a two day period and uninstalled.
Just for reference in diablo 2 I had a level 99 in softcore, level 97 in hardcore, multiple accounts farming annihilus and torch charms, on and off over many years.
In PoE I played a few hundred hours in closed beta, got to level 86 in a few weeks in open beta and was top 20 on ladder for a couple weeks, and continued playing for a while. In release I am still playing all day and am enjoying it quite a lot with maybe 100 exalt net worth, level 88 main and many alts.
Not a casual gamer by any means, no 10 hours and then join the crowd of naysayers, more like play the shit out of the game and kill diablo months before the general population and realize pretty quickly how bad the game is.
I would say the only fun I had with d3 was the first 24 hours after release (not counting the first few hours of unable to log in) leveling with some friends up until the start of act 2 inferno, at which point I basically had to say goodbye to my friends since 2 were barbarians and couldn't do jack shit. I could at least kill champions with my demon hunter if I kept up invincibility just right and didnt mispress a button by half a second, which would result in me instantly dying to a fart on the wind.
p.s. the amount of improvement in PoE since the start of the year (open beta) to now is 100x greater than the improvement of diablo 3 release to now (just over 1.5 years) and it was already better back then.
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Nope not joking I did enjoy it, and I liked the death scene, was actually shocked they killed him off for good. I like the simplified talents and the fact while there are best builds, any build will work. I didn't play as much as D2 but I don't have the time I had back then so for me, being much more casual it was a good game, not the greatest but good. I rarely used the AH never the real money one as I hated that part about, I also never traded in D2 outside of my friends, and played in private games only.
Oh, i also dont give a rats ass about PVP and i'm glade its not really in D3 yet, I'd be happier in WoW if they took it out or divided skills in PVE and PVP so no more PVE changes for the sake of PVP balance.
I have PoE and its OK just I'm not into the lore and back story so its just generic to me. I can see the appeal to some for the giant skill tree but to me its, over done and complex for the sake of being complex.
It seems to me that D3 wasn't designed for gamers like you but it is good for me, and as such Blizzard will get my money. shocking that people can enjoy different things i know.....
Dumac
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To each their own. Diversity within a genre is good, so for that I am glad D3 exists. The ARPG genre was pretty much dead until its release.
blizzard used to make games that casual players could enjoy and hardcore players could dive into and get years out of, but d3 was really their first game just for casual players like you said. It is essentially gauntlet legends level of depth when I was expecting an improvement over diablo 2 which was like 12 years old (and lasted almost as long for a lot of people). When I play a game I like to get into the mechanics and figure things out and I like that process to last a long time, which it does in PoE. In diablo 3 there was very little to figure out past the first day of play for me. Personally I think even if I played a lot less I'd still want a more complex game than D3 and would be satisfied being a noob rather than everyone being on a level playing field since the game is about as complex as licking stamps. Just logging in and killing monsters isn't enough for me to have fun. Unfortunately, after 8.5 years now blizzard still doesn't understand that and there are plenty of people still willing to fork over $40 for what is essentially the laziest and most shallow game blizzard has ever made. There are plenty of casual games popping up from unknown developers on a daily basis so its a shame to lose a company that consistently made quality games that lasted years... until d3
I'm not sure diablo 3 really counts as an ARPG, I'd say its more a hack n slash. If it is an ARPG then it definitely served to set the bar really low for competitors
Killing him off was fine, but I don't think they could have made it any more anticlimactic. They put tons of money into CGI cutscenes for stuff that doesn't matter and then have a poorly done in-game cutscene where cain is killed off by one of the lamest bosses ever with some butterflies. It's almost as if they were letting players know that this isn't a diablo game they don't care about d1/2, and killing off cain was saying goodbye to d1/2 and hello to new and worse d3. I mean I just spent 10 seconds thinking of how to do it better, and my 10 second idea is to have a CGI video involving cain fighting back and showing off that he is actually pretty badass despite being a million years old, but then he gets surrounded by all the butterfly minions and after killing tons of them he gets taken down just as you get there too late. I imagine if I was getting paid to do this and I had knowledge of the backstory, as well as more than 10 seconds to come up with an idea I could do better, but I'm pretty certain my 10 second idea is 100x better than what they actually did... which now that I think of it actually applies to most of the decisions that went into diablo 3.
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Well I finally got around to liquidating my 2B gold for ~$105, not too shabby. Trying to move the rest of my gear, I figure I can at least use the balance on Hearthstone or something lol.
Of course it's a hacknslash. That's all any Diablo game or Diablo clone is. You hold down left click and enemies fall over and shiny things come out of their body. I have a hard time thinking of any genre with a lower bar or a more banal concept and execution. They are, just barely, playable games to me because they [can and do] forego every other facet of the game because they don't need anything but the carrot on the stick to get people to play for thousands of hours.
Personally, I'm glad that D3 at least expanded on that slightly. It's not a complex game by any means, but to me the gameplay is more involved and much more "active" than the alternatives for the most part, and to me that's important because gameplay is more fun to me than any item is.
Of course it's a hacknslash. That's all any Diablo game or Diablo clone is. You hold down left click and enemies fall over and shiny things come out of their body. I have a hard time thinking of any genre with a lower bar or a more banal concept and execution. They are, just barely, playable games to me because they [can and do] forego every other facet of the game because they don't need anything but the carrot on the stick to get people to play for thousands of hours.
Personally, I'm glad that D3 at least expanded on that slightly. It's not a complex game by any means, but to me the gameplay is more involved and much more "active" than the alternatives for the most part, and to me that's important because gameplay is more fun to me than any item is.
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This thread got me to go play D3 for 5-6 hours this weekend. AND I ENJOYED IT! Meanwhile I uninstalled POE.
Come at me haters.
Come at me haters.
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Not to mention, it seems that POE get's new content updates about every 2 weeks or less. Just today we got a couple of new skill gems and unique items. Last week was the same, the week before that was another one. The game development is ongoing as they said they had a 10 year plan for it. They are applying newer animations and affects all the time as well.
I can't stop playing it. I played it when it was in beta, stopped for a long time, started playing it again a couple of months ago and havn't touched any other games since.
I can't stop playing it. I played it when it was in beta, stopped for a long time, started playing it again a couple of months ago and havn't touched any other games since.
My main problem with POE is the production value is pretty abysmal and the "economy" is ridiculous. The extremely limited respecs is another thing I think just punishes casuals, but I really only play hardcore, so when I do, I just throw away that character anyway.
D3 had amazing production (as it should) and the "loudout" style skills allowed for casual players to switch to the flavor of the week builds and not have to sink hours into rerolling (which casuals won't do).
The problem wasn't necessarily the economy, it was that the difficulty wasn't linear at all. You could do Hell in blues and whites, but Inferno would one shot you unless you had great gear. The AH allowed you to skip that grind (the RMAH even more so), and it fed the "gimme it now" mentality that most gamers have now. Adjusting the drop rates (which are already exponentially higher than D2) and removing all forms of economy is something I'd rather not be a part of. That is why I am skipping this expansion.
D3 had amazing production (as it should) and the "loudout" style skills allowed for casual players to switch to the flavor of the week builds and not have to sink hours into rerolling (which casuals won't do).
The problem wasn't necessarily the economy, it was that the difficulty wasn't linear at all. You could do Hell in blues and whites, but Inferno would one shot you unless you had great gear. The AH allowed you to skip that grind (the RMAH even more so), and it fed the "gimme it now" mentality that most gamers have now. Adjusting the drop rates (which are already exponentially higher than D2) and removing all forms of economy is something I'd rather not be a part of. That is why I am skipping this expansion.
As opposed to the people that played 1000 hours of a bad game?
Good and bad is subjective. If I spent 1k hours on a game, it was a good damn game to me... and yes I put in over 1k hours in d3.. lol
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Was it a few billion gold -- read that number earlier, forget if it was you?
I had something like 40 million that I couldn't even get the bare minimum for after some big hack or duplication thing.
I played about 3000 hours on my barb and I couldn't clear MP3 with the gear I found myself. The game is just flip on the AH and steal the wealth from dumb people who use the RMAH, or use the RMAH yourself.
ROS is not much better. I'm close to hitting 100 hours on the beta and 2/3 of my gear level 70 crusader comes from my D3 vanilla barbarian. Without the gear I bought on the RMAH/flipped on GAH and carried over into ROS, I couldn't clear the equivalent of MP2 (Hard mode).
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