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Official Destiny Thread
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Qbah
Diamond Member
The game just doesn't have any diversity. And is painfully static, really...
Borderlands has very distinct classes, environments, 100x as much loot, skill trees that really change how you play each class, items that really differentiate your gameplay that also do cool things. And (personal opinion here, I know) is funny.
Diablo 3 has 6 skills you can use at any given time and you pick them from like 25 in total, so can really diversify your gameplay. And it has 6 classes. Your gameplay can vary a LOT based on the items and build you're using.
Call of Duty is more diverse... you have vehicle sections, cool stuff like the air sections, drones, NPCs playing with you, fast pace..
Even the latest Wolfenstein has a more varied gameplay and that game is a pure shooter at heart.
So what does Destiny have? Same for all classes.
-> melee + special melee on cooldown (cooldown skill different per class)
-> grenade on cooldown
-> special on cooldown (each class has a different one)
-> gun
-> 4 slots for armor which decreases the cooldown / improve gun / improve melee
And you always do the same thing - walk from waypoint to waypoint, kill stuff the same way (shoot them in the face). You don't do anything else in any other way. You don't use the environment (apart from hiding behind it - it's indestructible), you don't use vehicles, you don't use tactics, the enemies have no special things except shooting you or closing in for melee. Where's the diversity?
And btw, I really like shooters. But Destiny has no diversity. Even Wolfenstein is more diverse (guns blazing or stealth, different paths to move around each level, destructive environment, even though it's limited).
And please don't say the game is new. They had 5 years and a budget without limits pretty much. And so many other games as inspiration. What they did is created a basic gameplay and repeated it in 4 environments.
A game is not only about the story (here the Traveler is a nice idea). The story and background are great. But the delivery of it is weak (personal opinion I guess) and the gameplay is bland and without any diversity - you run around and shoot stuff in the face the same way across all the missions you visit.
Now if I missed something and there's really so many things to do in this game... let me know and tell me how. I will still play it for a while to see if the game will surprise me or something... but right now it's bland and boring after a few missions.
Borderlands has very distinct classes, environments, 100x as much loot, skill trees that really change how you play each class, items that really differentiate your gameplay that also do cool things. And (personal opinion here, I know) is funny.
Diablo 3 has 6 skills you can use at any given time and you pick them from like 25 in total, so can really diversify your gameplay. And it has 6 classes. Your gameplay can vary a LOT based on the items and build you're using.
Call of Duty is more diverse... you have vehicle sections, cool stuff like the air sections, drones, NPCs playing with you, fast pace..
Even the latest Wolfenstein has a more varied gameplay and that game is a pure shooter at heart.
So what does Destiny have? Same for all classes.
-> melee + special melee on cooldown (cooldown skill different per class)
-> grenade on cooldown
-> special on cooldown (each class has a different one)
-> gun
-> 4 slots for armor which decreases the cooldown / improve gun / improve melee
And you always do the same thing - walk from waypoint to waypoint, kill stuff the same way (shoot them in the face). You don't do anything else in any other way. You don't use the environment (apart from hiding behind it - it's indestructible), you don't use vehicles, you don't use tactics, the enemies have no special things except shooting you or closing in for melee. Where's the diversity?
And btw, I really like shooters. But Destiny has no diversity. Even Wolfenstein is more diverse (guns blazing or stealth, different paths to move around each level, destructive environment, even though it's limited).
And please don't say the game is new. They had 5 years and a budget without limits pretty much. And so many other games as inspiration. What they did is created a basic gameplay and repeated it in 4 environments.
A game is not only about the story (here the Traveler is a nice idea). The story and background are great. But the delivery of it is weak (personal opinion I guess) and the gameplay is bland and without any diversity - you run around and shoot stuff in the face the same way across all the missions you visit.
Now if I missed something and there's really so many things to do in this game... let me know and tell me how. I will still play it for a while to see if the game will surprise me or something... but right now it's bland and boring after a few missions.
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cmdrdredd
Lifer
I hope they are PvE factions. Everything else so far is PvP based. We need more than just vanguard for PvE.
mnewsham
Lifer
Sounds like you just haven't ever played an MMORPG. Most MMOs have daily tasks for you to complete, collecting all of the spirit blooms on venus, collecting relic iron on mars, as well as doing bounties such as completing 6 patrol missions, etc. Think about world of war craft, which being a dedicated MMO will have a LOT more of these things than destiny, but we can still see the MMO qualities are very similar in destiny. There is going to be a lot of repetition, go kill 50 things then come back to me and claim a reward. You see the same sorta thing in ALL MMOs.
Also, you are simplifying the weapons and classes mostly because you aren't high level yet, level 15 unlocks your subclass, as you level up to 20+ you start unlocking even more things like the warlock which gets a short range teleport or the Lance ability which shoots your super attack much longer and faster than normal. Also, the legendary items have a lot of upgrade options and choices to make about how you upgrade them (or just buy all the upgrades and choose which you prefer)
Combat isn't all the same, especially later when you are on venus and mars and are fighting different types of bad guys and you have to change your tactics depending on the situation.
Still sounds like the game just isnt your cup of tea, but you're also not really giving it a fair chance.
Also, you are simplifying the weapons and classes mostly because you aren't high level yet, level 15 unlocks your subclass, as you level up to 20+ you start unlocking even more things like the warlock which gets a short range teleport or the Lance ability which shoots your super attack much longer and faster than normal. Also, the legendary items have a lot of upgrade options and choices to make about how you upgrade them (or just buy all the upgrades and choose which you prefer)
Combat isn't all the same, especially later when you are on venus and mars and are fighting different types of bad guys and you have to change your tactics depending on the situation.
Still sounds like the game just isnt your cup of tea, but you're also not really giving it a fair chance.
cmdrdredd
Lifer
^^ that and maybe with the quick run to level people need a break. Not everyone is happy to grind all day. Me, I can grind for days to get that next armor or use the weapon I just bought. In the raid I am positive there will be sections that require you to think a bit and use all the abilities and skill you have to win. It won't be just a run and gun experience. They already said there is a section that requires everyone to time their jump across disappearing platforms. Challenging your use of double jump, glide etc. I can imagine enemies that are weak to specific types of damage and a regular weapon will only drop their shield and since the game doesn't tell you, you have to experiment and wonder why you fight this thing for 45 minutes.
There are a lot of things they can do with the game after lv20. Mnewsham mentioned a few things like upgrade choice (and upgrades cost materials too) and subclass choice. I guess you have to view it from the perspective of a game that is all about what you do once you are max level and take yourself out of the CoD shooter mindset for a bit. Every mmo I have played was this way. You grind to max level and then it is all about getting the new gear to boost your character and do the harder missions for even better stuff.
There are a lot of things they can do with the game after lv20. Mnewsham mentioned a few things like upgrade choice (and upgrades cost materials too) and subclass choice. I guess you have to view it from the perspective of a game that is all about what you do once you are max level and take yourself out of the CoD shooter mindset for a bit. Every mmo I have played was this way. You grind to max level and then it is all about getting the new gear to boost your character and do the harder missions for even better stuff.
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Cappuccino
Diamond Member
I have not seen any gameplay besides co-cop and I was wondering what is Multiplayer for this game? Please don't tell me it's all coops missions? Can you play deathmatch pvp or pve? Why all the hype this game looks shit imo.
Qbah
Diamond Member
I played WoW from beta to Wrath of the LK 🙂 Was in the biggest guilds doing the most challenging raids (PvE RP servers). Destiny is not an MMO game and thank god that's the case - MMOs destroy lives. WoW has so many different skills you can use, very distinct classes too. Support, heal, dps - Destiny is NOTHING like an MMO. It's a simple shooter that has coop.
I'm level 19, I've unlocked the other subclass and got some of the skills up (the Arc Blade on the Hunter is quite fun, to be honest). I did everything on Earth, Moon and Venus (including the strikes). And did the first mission on Mars.
The material gathering is there, sure...
Tell me about the tactics or different ways to kill enemies? You cover, you peek out, and you shoot. You throw grenades when they're off cooldown. When your super is ready, you use it. When playing with others, some can pull attention and you can try to flank the mobs - but you might as well just shoot them in the face. That's it. What other tactics do you mean?
I was hoping for some vehicles (turrets, tanks, etc), maybe space combat, boss tactics, smart enemies (not resetting after you run past a certain line!). In the beta it was "it is just a beta, things get better in the full game." So I'm asking, where are the nice things?
Anyway, maybe the game will open up after level 20 and there will be fun things to do. New places to visit? More varied missions? More unique gear that does cool stuff? Here's hoping...
I'll keep playing for now... after all, I spent $130 on it (PSN Digital Guardian).
I'm level 19, I've unlocked the other subclass and got some of the skills up (the Arc Blade on the Hunter is quite fun, to be honest). I did everything on Earth, Moon and Venus (including the strikes). And did the first mission on Mars.
The material gathering is there, sure...
Tell me about the tactics or different ways to kill enemies? You cover, you peek out, and you shoot. You throw grenades when they're off cooldown. When your super is ready, you use it. When playing with others, some can pull attention and you can try to flank the mobs - but you might as well just shoot them in the face. That's it. What other tactics do you mean?
I was hoping for some vehicles (turrets, tanks, etc), maybe space combat, boss tactics, smart enemies (not resetting after you run past a certain line!). In the beta it was "it is just a beta, things get better in the full game." So I'm asking, where are the nice things?
Anyway, maybe the game will open up after level 20 and there will be fun things to do. New places to visit? More varied missions? More unique gear that does cool stuff? Here's hoping...
I'll keep playing for now... after all, I spent $130 on it (PSN Digital Guardian).
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mnewsham
Lifer
The problem isn't the game, its you.
Also, not an MMO? are you being obstinate just because you can? It is VERY clearly an FPSMMO, to act like it has no MMO elements, or even just a tiny bit of MMO is wrong, it is fairly solidly MMO, not as large scale as WoW with huge raids and such, but it isn't a full dedicated MMO like WoW is and I wouldn't expect it to have the same scope.
It is an FPS first and foremost however, MMORPG is mixed in, but at the end of the day, it's an FPS. Also, you're describing YOUR tactic for playing the game, I don't do the stuff you are describing, and I don't run away until the enemies stop attacking, that works for pretty much every game.
Also, have you even done the major boss fights? Most of them require teamwork and cooperation to get them done without dying. Or without using some sort of obvious exploit (standing back so the AI can't see you or running away until they reset then going back and shooting more).
One of the reasons enemies reset when they cross a certain line is that often you will have areas that are low level areas that are mixed with higher level areas so to avoid the lower levels accidentally getting agro from a level 20+ mob they need to have hard limits on where certain AI can go.
Again, sounds like the game just isn't for you. I am more than happy with what we have, can't wait for the raids to start and eagerly await the first expansion.
Qbah
Diamond Member
MMO means massive 🙂 3 usual, 6 tops is just coop. There are at most 16 people in the Tower (you can't talk to them, just wave/dance). And I guess a similar amount in the zones. MMOs have lots of grinding and building your character (items), but at least your gameplay is more varied - you have crowd control for example...
And if the game is FPS, it's a really weak one - FPS games try to diversify gameplay, Destiny doesn't.
I did all strikes on Earth, Moon and Venus, 4 in total - that Servitor boss on Earth, the big chained dude on the Moon, that Archon dude that is just a "captain" with lots of HP and that shielded thing that's in the middle of a round room. And each boss fight is the same! Really... shoot the boss, boss calls adds, kill adds, focus on boss, boss calls adds, kill adds, focus on boss... 3 from the 4 bosses I killed even used the same (enlarged) models as regular mobs >_> Captain (Archon), Hydra (shielded one), Servitor (ball thing).
You need to cooperate with your team to kill them, sure - because you can't solo them (mostly due to the number of adds and limited ammo). The bosses themselves aren't anything special. They don't have any special skills that require coop, they just aim and shoot at you. And summon adds.
You say you don't play the game like me - so how do you play it? I'd really like to know. Maybe I'm missing something? I have told you guys what I think is crap right now. All you do is tell me I'm wrong, but not telling me what the fun stuff is. So what is it?
Also, game having dumb mobs and lame exploits is bad game design. They should have for example not allowed you to run away from an encounter...
I love RPG games, I love FPS shooter games, I love TPS games, I was really into MMO games a while ago. This game is not good at any of them and has nothing unique so far that screams "Destiny".
EDIT: To name a fun game that took MMO concepts and made a single player, FUN game from them? Kingdoms of Amalur : Reckoning. That game was a lot of fun! And it had grind mechanics and not that many attacks, but you could chain them, so it had a nice attack mechanism. But it was fun - there were many items, lots of things to do, lots of quests, places to visit too. Or Darksiders 2 - similar idea. You level up, you grind a bit, you find loot, bosses required tactics. Others can do it, why can't Destiny?
And if the game is FPS, it's a really weak one - FPS games try to diversify gameplay, Destiny doesn't.
I did all strikes on Earth, Moon and Venus, 4 in total - that Servitor boss on Earth, the big chained dude on the Moon, that Archon dude that is just a "captain" with lots of HP and that shielded thing that's in the middle of a round room. And each boss fight is the same! Really... shoot the boss, boss calls adds, kill adds, focus on boss, boss calls adds, kill adds, focus on boss... 3 from the 4 bosses I killed even used the same (enlarged) models as regular mobs >_> Captain (Archon), Hydra (shielded one), Servitor (ball thing).
You need to cooperate with your team to kill them, sure - because you can't solo them (mostly due to the number of adds and limited ammo). The bosses themselves aren't anything special. They don't have any special skills that require coop, they just aim and shoot at you. And summon adds.
You say you don't play the game like me - so how do you play it? I'd really like to know. Maybe I'm missing something? I have told you guys what I think is crap right now. All you do is tell me I'm wrong, but not telling me what the fun stuff is. So what is it?
Also, game having dumb mobs and lame exploits is bad game design. They should have for example not allowed you to run away from an encounter...
I love RPG games, I love FPS shooter games, I love TPS games, I was really into MMO games a while ago. This game is not good at any of them and has nothing unique so far that screams "Destiny".
EDIT: To name a fun game that took MMO concepts and made a single player, FUN game from them? Kingdoms of Amalur : Reckoning. That game was a lot of fun! And it had grind mechanics and not that many attacks, but you could chain them, so it had a nice attack mechanism. But it was fun - there were many items, lots of things to do, lots of quests, places to visit too. Or Darksiders 2 - similar idea. You level up, you grind a bit, you find loot, bosses required tactics. Others can do it, why can't Destiny?
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Jetasis
Member
+1
Picked it up last night, exepcting to be bored for the first bit because that's what I've been reading from user reviews. Couldn't be further from the truth. I'm still trying to figure what why the opinions on this title are so split. It's really a love it or hate it I suppose. The game had it's hooks in me from the moment by buddy joined up with me and we started playing together. Yes the patrols are the same and you see the same maps again and again but this is just the beginning. The possibilities of what Bungie will release in the future has me excited. The story isn't nearly as bad as many people have been saying. This is a HELL of alot more entertaining than popping in "COD Ghosts" and playing through the single player campaign. In fact I spent like 2 hours going through that campaign and got so bored of running in a straight line and killing whatever was in front of me that I quit and started playing multiplayer. Which was of course more of the same thing we've been doing for 5 years...
For me this is something new and unique. There is nothing else quite like it. The game shines when you have friends to play with. Can't wait to jump in again tonight.
Jet
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sze5003
Lifer
Every game that I have played with giant bosses does the same thing. Kill enemies, focus on boss, kill additional enemies, focus on boss. The game play mechanic has been beat to death and not only by Destiny.
I really don't see how you say cod is more fun that is just obtuse I'm sorry lol.
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zerocool84
Lifer
Damn you guys play a lot, I got it on Tuesday and I'm only level 4. I really wish I had more time to play.
Imported
Lifer
Ditto. I'm typically only able to play after 10PM until I fall asleep.
sze5003
Lifer
Same here. I'm level 8. Im not sure what to do next though, more story or attempt the moon, or continue grinding in various parts of old Russia.
cmdrdredd
Lifer
Huh? You want info or are you going to just trash it with your last sentence. There is pvp, any website with a preview would tell you. The beta would tell you too.
cmdrdredd
Lifer
One thing to say...the raid is not open yet. They wanted people to be level 25 before they opened it, they said a week after release. I suppose you ignored what I said before and that there are many different ways they can approach the strategy involved in a raid.
Anyway if anyone is looking for coop stuff. I'm willing to do whatever. If you wanna do a strike, story missions, just explore around. Just lemme know. I also do use a headset, I know many people do not but I find it helps keep things personable. I'm level 15 now and am working on my warlock. I've done up to the level 8 story (second one I think). I've not touched venus. See maybe that's the difference. I leveled, but I'm not rushing through the areas. I am exploring every inch I can find of every zone. I want to know where all the chests spawn, all the enemy types there, all the dead ghosts. I'm looking in every nook and cranny. I am not running to the waypoint and clicking the spot to initiate the next wave of enemies. I'm spending more time leveling than doing anything else, but the grind doesn't bother me.
Oh and here's a tip. Once you hit level 15 and open the second subclass you can start a new character and the second subclass is unlocked immediately. For example my warlock is lv15 and I have unlocked sunsinger. I can start a titan and have both subclasses from level 1. Maybe they will patch this, I dunno.
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sze5003
Lifer
Yea raids require strategy. You need different classes of players too. One of each would be nice. For example devil walkers you can have a few people distract them with shots while someone else takes position where damage is concentrated the most. Also, you don't just shoot everyone in the face.
Enemies have different damage points too, especially bosses.
Enemies have different damage points too, especially bosses.
cmdrdredd
Lifer
Don't worry, we will all want more loot and vanguard marks to buy legendary armor and weapons. Believe me...when you hit 20 and we are above 20, we will still need to do strikes and stuff to get marks for that legendary set.
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