*** OFFICIAL BATMAN BEGINS THREAD ***

[VIAN]

VIAN: You either never read Batman, or smoking some good quality crack =)

Never read the comic. I've read only a few and mostly watched movies about him. Even beyond the age of Adam West in black and white.

Yeah but this is not a prequel to the past Batman movies.... so this is a completely new triology (or whatever they wanna do it)...

That's gonna suck. Batman is too fresh in my mind for them to try to replace it.

SPOILERS!!!!!






I thought the joker scene at the end was supposed to follow into the first (1989) movie.

As did I, although the bat signal didn't fit. A lot of the fim in Batman Begins is inconsistant, but except for that specific part.

It did not, however, seem to mesh well with the batman story i know. I thought it was the joker who killed his parents and some cheesey line when he did, and that's how batman figures it out in the original, because the joker says the line just before he's about to shoot batman. Also the bat mobile seemed to lack the inate qualities (rather phalic in shape, with fins) that make it indeed a batmobile.

Hey, I totally forgot about that. You're right, the joker was the punk that killed his parents. Well, I don't know cause I've never read the comic, can someone who has shed light on this. I usually favor true to comic movies. But I don't think I can ever let go of Batman with such amazing performances by Keaton and Nicholson.

 

[torpid]

Well it's truer to the comic with regards to some parts, but not others. Ra's Al Ghul did not train batman in the comics, as far as I know. From what I remember, he was looking for an heir and went to the Batcave to enlist batman's "help" after kidnapping robin and pretending that robin and his daughter were kidnapped by the same person.

And to the poster who felt the scenes at the end felt like they lacked resolution, there's a reason for that. Check into the characters involved and you'll see what I mean.

This was by far the best batman. The original with michael keaton was good, but it was too tim burtonny cute compared to this one. [Edit: And I never liked that joker killed his parents in the original]. I didn't the ending of the original very much, but it still is quite a good film. This one was better, though. Christopher Nolen did a great job. Dare I say the visuals were even better than the burton original?

I like how they set up future movies to have the conflict with the police. Based on what happens in this film, some policemen will like batman and some will hate him.

 

[Last Rezort]

HE has no super powers!

 

[VIAN]

Yes! he does - money.

 

[Reckoner]

So was it more entertaining than Star Wars 3 or not?

 

[Qwest]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
So was it more entertaining than Star Wars 3 or not?

YES!

:: Me runs away in "fear" from ATOT ::

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
So was it more entertaining than Star Wars 3 or not?

Considering that I disliked star wars 3, it's a no brainer. But, I must say, it is surprising how many idiots will show up 10 minutes after a movie starts on opening night and then seem surprised that there are no seats. I also enjoy it when groups of 10 come during the previews and do the same.

 

[VIAN]

I felt more immersed in Batman Begins than in SW3. It's a hard decision and I don't have the brainpower for it. It's not like I like SW movies that much anyway. IMO they have a great stories, but it's a bit boring because it seems like Lucas takes a small story and stretches it out too much. Just like SW1, I could never watch that movie after the first time. It sucked.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: The Boss
HOLY MOTHER OF BATS! THIS MOVIE OWNED!

This prettymuch sums it up. I loved this movie.

 

[brigden]

I feel a lot of the complaints are ungrounded.

This film is not a prequel. It does not have anything to do with any Batman film before it. The four films before it are unrelated.

The Joker did not kill Wayne's parents in the comic book. Burton dreamed up that idea. Joe Chill was responsible for Wayne's parents murder and it went down nearly exactly as it was descibed over sixty years ago.

Obviously, Batman is in the infancy of his career. Both the Batmobile and the Batcave will evolve as he grows. Having a ready-made Batmobile with Bat-wing fins a la Tim Burton would have been too unrealistic. I think the "Tumbler" was perfect.

The "close-up, blurry" fight scenes make sense. One, they're more intense, and two, watching Batman neatly take down a group of thugs while being treated to a full and steady shot of his costume takes some of the mystique away. I'm pretty sure the filmmakers tried filming the fight scenes neatly but realized that it looked akward.

The acting was perfect; Bale was without doubt the most convincing Wayne/Batman. The visuals were perfect too; there wasn't too much CG (thank God). The only gripe I have is that there wasn't a better musical score. I realize that the music can become a character in the film (like Elfman's '89 score) and the filmmakers probably wanted to avoid the epic, but a decent theme would have been nice.

Overall, this movie was for the fans. It isn't as accessible as, say, Spider-Man, but I'm glad they made a Batman film for the fans and not necessarily just for the masses.

I honestly think it was the best movie I've ever seen.

 

[DPmaster]

Originally posted by: bigredguy
I saw it last night. I thought it was a decent movie, but failed in a few aspects. Some of the fight scenes were muddled and seemed as if the camera was zoomed in too far so you couldn't really see what was going on. They did and good job of introducing batman and his gear, showing its progression and how money obviously has its advatages. It did not, however, seem to mesh well with the batman story i know. I thought it was the joker who killed his parents and some cheesey line when he did, and that's how batman figures it out in the original, because the joker says the line just before he's about to shoot batman. Also the bat mobile seemed to lack the inate qualities (rather phalic in shape, with fins) that make it indeed a batmobile.
I would say go see it, but just remember that most prequel/sequel movies suck and with that in mind you might like it.

The four previous movies really didn't have anything to do with the comics. They were basically made up films with the Batman license. Only thing the previous movies really shared in common with the comics were the names of the characters.

As others have said, the Joker didn't kill Bruce Wayne's parents. This was made up in the previous movies as a way to tie the Joker to the Bruce Wayne / Batman character. The killer in the comics was just a common thug that never gets caught. The thug never gets caught for a reason...this provides the catalyst for Batman to fight a neverending battle againt criminals everywhere.

 

[bigrash]

Saw it last night. Very different than the other Batman movies. I thought it was really good.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
So was it more entertaining than Star Wars 3 or not?

Considering that I disliked star wars 3, it's a no brainer. But, I must say, it is surprising how many idiots will show up 10 minutes after a movie starts on opening night and then seem surprised that there are no seats. I also enjoy it when groups of 10 come during the previews and do the same.

Wow, when I went there were like 20 people at the theater at most. But I went to see a 9:30 PM show. I thought it was going to be more packed.

 

[Firsttime]

i saw it last night, very very good, much better then the old ones

 

[VIAN]

Obviously, Batman is in the infancy of his career. Both the Batmobile and the Batcave will evolve as he grows. Having a ready-made Batmobile with Bat-wing fins a la Tim Burton would have been too unrealistic. I think the "Tumbler" was perfect.

The beautiful thing about the Tim Burton movie and what I don't like about this one, is that batman retains his mysteriousness, unlike Begins. There is no mystery now. And it was great how in the movies, it focused more on the criminals, because you knew there were only gonna be shown one movie, so more of the story focused on them so that you could learn more about them. But every new Batman after that did reveal more bits and pieces of the story which was pretty interesting. You got an idea of his past, but not the whole which made him mysterious. But, I was always curious how how he got the batmobile built without people knowning about it. I just figured he had his ways.

The only gripe I have is that there wasn't a better musical score. I realize that the music can become a character in the film (like Elfman's '89 score) and the filmmakers probably wanted to avoid the epic, but a decent theme would have been nice.

I agree with you there. It was missing the Batman theme which would've helped. A music score or soundtrack can add so much to a movie.

 

[torpid]

I thought the in-movie music was a lot better than the previous ones. I liked the elfman music during the opening and closing credit, but the rest of the movie the music wasn't intense enough.

What mysteriousness did Batman have in the previous films? You mean as to his past? I guess if you never read any of the comics nor watched the cartoons, that might be true. Or did you mean his tendency to keep in the shadows, as opposed to an insane million-dollars-in-damage caught on TV car chase?

 

[KingNothing]

You know, I'm starting to wonder if this new close-up, jiggly fight-scene filming style is just a way to be lazy with the choreography and not actually have to put together a quality fight scene. Kind of a pity...

 

[Rebasxer]

Originally posted by: KingNothing
You know, I'm starting to wonder if this new close-up, jiggly fight-scene filming style is just a way to be lazy with the choreography and not actually have to put together a quality fight scene. Kind of a pity...

I hate the close up shaky cam for fights too, I want a retracted steady camera shot so I can see whats going on.

 

[VIAN]

What mysteriousness did Batman have in the previous films? You mean as to his past? I guess if you never read any of the comics nor watched the cartoons, that might be true. Or did you mean his tendency to keep in the shadows, as opposed to an insane million-dollars-in-damage caught on TV car chase?

His past. Don't forget that in Batman, Batman also ran through the streets in gotham, just didn't destroy things. He also did it in Batman Returns. I just so happens that I've never read the comics. Keaton always had this look of ponder on his face, where he dwelled on the past. It gave you reaons why is the way he is. And even after all this time, he is still troubled by them.

 

[state 08]

Originally posted by: torpid
I thought the in-movie music was a lot better than the previous ones. I liked the elfman music during the opening and closing credit, but the rest of the movie the music wasn't intense enough.

What mysteriousness did Batman have in the previous films? You mean as to his past? I guess if you never read any of the comics nor watched the cartoons, that might be true. Or did you mean his tendency to keep in the shadows, as opposed to an insane million-dollars-in-damage caught on TV car chase?

I picked up the soundtrack, and appearently, it was composed by the same person who did Gladiator, Hans Zimmer... along with some other dude.

Anywho, my favorite track is "Molassus"

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: VIAN

What mysteriousness did Batman have in the previous films? You mean as to his past? I guess if you never read any of the comics nor watched the cartoons, that might be true. Or did you mean his tendency to keep in the shadows, as opposed to an insane million-dollars-in-damage caught on TV car chase?

His past. Don't forget that in Batman, Batman also ran through the streets in gotham, just didn't destroy things. He also did it in Batman Returns. I just so happens that I've never read the comics. Keaton always had this look of ponder on his face, where he dwelled on the past. It gave you reaons why is the way he is. And even after all this time, he is still troubled by them.

Batman destroyed plenty of things in all the batman movies. Just not as much as in this one.

Being that I know more about the batman mythology, I guess I will have to accept that to people who know nothing about Batman, seeing a movie about Batman's early years would spoil the mystery that only exists for those people.

 

[Alex]

comin out tomoorrow here in brazil woohooo

 

[MisterCornell]

I thought it was very good overall. It wasn't *as good* as the first Batman, but it was definitely up there.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: state 08

Originally posted by: torpid
I thought the in-movie music was a lot better than the previous ones. I liked the elfman music during the opening and closing credit, but the rest of the movie the music wasn't intense enough.

What mysteriousness did Batman have in the previous films? You mean as to his past? I guess if you never read any of the comics nor watched the cartoons, that might be true. Or did you mean his tendency to keep in the shadows, as opposed to an insane million-dollars-in-damage caught on TV car chase?

I picked up the soundtrack, and appearently, it was composed by the same person who did Gladiator, Hans Zimmer... along with some other dude.

Anywho, my favorite track is "Molassus"

Soundtrack by Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard.

Zimmer is my favorite film score composer.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: VIAN
I take these things very seriously.

Which is a pointless endeavor, but hey, it's not my breath you're wasting...