***OFFICIAL*** ATI R520 (X1800, X1600, X1300) Reviews Thread!

[biostud]

so nvidia (or a card producer) will maybe launch a 512mb GTX during the next 6 weeks, or maybe wait for th G72 90nm early '06?

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: elkinm
It seems the X1600 and X1300 are crippled by their very low fillrates. They are much slower then the last gen cards which they would compete aggainst.

The X1800 XT is good but the XL is som much slower for just $50. What sucks is where the X1800 series barely beats the X850XT.

I hope drivers improve things overall.

It seems that the XL is the version NOT TO GET. The inquirer says that the XL cores can't overclock well at all, while the XT cores should be getting over 700...


Verdict- Get the 7800GT or the X1800XT (whenever it becomes widely availible).

 

[otispunkmeyer]

i just read tech reports benches and im shocked at the doom3 speed tbh i thought they would be faster

atis speed in riddick isnt what i expected either

 

[AmdInside]

What I find interesting is that the XT will be shipping in a month while the XL (X1800 here) will be shipping in a week (assuming they are being truthful this time). To me, this means they are having supply issues with the XT. Usually, companies ship out the fastest and most expensive product first to get the most profit per card. But it seems like ATI doesn't have enough XT cards. Otherwise, why not ship that first?

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: AmdInside
What I find interesting is that the XT will be shipping in a month while the XL (X1800 here) will be shipping in a week (assuming they are being truthful this time). To me, this means they are having supply issues with the XT. Usually, companies ship out the fastest and most expensive product first to get the most profit per card. But it seems like ATI doesn't have enough XT cards. Otherwise, why not ship that first?

If you read the inquirer, it says the the XL uses the old crippled cores, while the XT uses the new cores that can go past 700MHZ. Basically, they are two DIFFERENT cores. The XLs were part of the problem with the tapeouts etc, while the XT is manufacturered without the problems the XLs had.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Any more IQ benchmarks or comparisons? IMo its more important than others, because whats AA and AF for if not IQ?

Almost every review site has them. AF is much better on ATi's new cards, and adaptive AA is on par, or better than NV's TA AA. Not to mention HDR+AA, which is how it should have been done to start with. Not that it would have been playable...

 

[biostud]

hothardware has a nice review with 81.82

 

[Jagercola]

When is Nvidia's 7800gtx refresh due?

 

[Genx87]

omg the rumor about the X1800XTs showing up in Nov\Dec seems to be true.
In all reality if these sites had an once of balls. They wouldnt even review the XT as a slap in the face of ATI.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: biostud
hothardware has a nice review with 81.82

Link? Thanks. My internet is acting up and I can only get a few pages to surf before I have to reconnect ethernet.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: biostud
hothardware has a nice review with 81.82

Link? Thanks. My internet is acting up and I can only get a few pages to surf before I have to reconnect ethernet.

go to anandtech frontpage and news section, they update their x1000 reviews quickly.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: biostud
hothardware has a nice review with 81.82

Link? Thanks. My internet is acting up and I can only get a few pages to surf before I have to reconnect ethernet.

go to anandtech frontpage and news section, they update their x1000 reviews quickly.

Thanks

 

[ZobarStyl]

Originally posted by: Genx87
omg the rumor about the X1800XTs showing up in Nov\Dec seems to be true.
In all reality if these sites had an once of balls. They wouldnt even review the XT as a slap in the face of ATI.

HardOCP did just that. They reviewed the XL (against the GT, no funny business) and in their conclusion stated that they basically have it ready to go (XT review), but won't put it out because it won't benefit the consumer to promote vapourware (paraphrased).

You think they may be on ATi's growing list of reviewers-who-don't-get-cards-now (along with HA)?

 

[VIAN]

I think it definitely wasn't worth it to wait for ATI to move there ass. I only see one person getting the X18 series and that person is BFG, he'll want that better Anisotropic Filtering ATI has to offer.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl

Originally posted by: Genx87
omg the rumor about the X1800XTs showing up in Nov\Dec seems to be true.
In all reality if these sites had an once of balls. They wouldnt even review the XT as a slap in the face of ATI.

HardOCP did just that. They reviewed the XL (against the GT, no funny business) and in their conclusion stated that they basically have it ready to go (XT review), but won't put it out because it won't benefit the consumer to promote vapourware (paraphrased).

You think they may be on ATi's growing list of reviewers-who-don't-get-cards-now (along with HA)?

Not, really if you play your cards openly and don't use a too colorfull language I would think that even ATi approve editors to have their own policies. Personally I'm glad that the X1800XT benchmarks are released now, as it shows there's not really any reason to wait for the X1800XT unless you want a 512Mb board or some of the video feautures. I think a product announcement day and a availability date is a fair deal. But the availability day has to be no less than the 7800 launches. Then the consumer can decide if he'll wait a month, or buy something now. That would be just as acceptable as the 7800 launches to me.

 

[Therk]

Damn, this looks amazing, and its a real-time render aswell

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/262/10/

 

[MBrown]

I love my 7800gt oced even more!

 

[jiffylube1024]

Well so far it's been pretty much as expected - 9000 3dmark 05 marks, the X1800XT going neck and neck with the 7800GTX (and showing about 15% more performance with AA/AF on, on average - see the ExtremeTech conclusion).

So far, it looks like everyone was right - the X1800XT is indeed a bit faster (probably due in most part to the 1.5 Ghz RAM), but you aren't really missing anything if you've opted for the 7800GTX.

Originally posted by: Hacp

It seems that the XL is the version NOT TO GET. The inquirer says that the XL cores can't overclock well at all, while the XT cores should be getting over 700...

Verdict- Get the 7800GT or the X1800XT (whenever it becomes widely availible).

This is pretty much what I was thinking as well - the 7800GT seems a bit more solid than the X1800XL, while the X1800XT (if it is ever released) is the fastest of the fastest.

Two big things we are missing are: overclocking results (I suspect it is as you heard, Hacp, that the X1800XT overclocks well and the X1800XL probably not so well, just like the X800XL), and X1800 series Crossfire results (just to compare them to the also-niche SLI results).

Is it possible to be both impressed and underwhelmed at the same time? That's pretty much my feeling right now. ATI has caught up and taken the lead in the 'features' category (having slightly more powerful SM 3.0 unit with dynamic flow control), and matched their claims of having the fastest card, but it is, so far by the slimmest margin that it totally undermines their hype.

 

[TinyTeeth]

I'm missing Battlefield 2 benchmarks and overclocking results - but most of all - where on earth is that Anandtech review?

I'm getting very confused by all these small hardware sites. I hope Anand can enlight me once more.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Well so far it's been pretty much as expected - 9000 3dmark 05 marks, the X1800XT going neck and neck with the 7800GTX (and showing about 15% more performance with AA/AF on, on average - see the PCPaper conclusion).

So far, it looks like everyone was right - the X1800XT is indeed a bit faster (probably due in most part to the 1.5 Ghz RAM), but you aren't really missing anything if you've opted for the 7800GTX.

Originally posted by: Hacp

It seems that the XL is the version NOT TO GET. The inquirer says that the XL cores can't overclock well at all, while the XT cores should be getting over 700...

Verdict- Get the 7800GT or the X1800XT (whenever it becomes widely availible).

This is pretty much what I was thinking as well - the 7800GT seems a bit more solid than the X1800XL, while the X1800XT (if it is ever released) is the fastest of the fastest.

Two big things we are missing are: overclocking results (I suspect it is as you heard, Hacp, that the X1800XT overclocks well and the X1800XL probably not so well, just like the X800XL), and X1800 series Crossfire results (just to compare them to the also-niche SLI results).

Is it possible to be both impressed and underwhelmed at the same time? That's pretty much my feeling right now. ATI has caught up and taken the lead in the 'features' category (having slightly more powerful SM 3.0 unit with dynamic flow control), and matched their claims of having the fastest card, but it is, so far by the slimmest margin that it totally undermines their hype.

same here jiffy.....im impressed at ATI's speed, (even if it is insignificant most of the time) im impressed by their SM3 performance, (its their first part) and im impressed by the progress they made in AA, AF and general IQ

but overall i cant help but feeling the launch was a bit of a let down, waited since june for ATi's answer to NVidia, and when it finally arrived its not all that and a bag of chips.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl

Originally posted by: Genx87
omg the rumor about the X1800XTs showing up in Nov\Dec seems to be true.
In all reality if these sites had an once of balls. They wouldnt even review the XT as a slap in the face of ATI.

HardOCP did just that. They reviewed the XL (against the GT, no funny business) and in their conclusion stated that they basically have it ready to go (XT review), but won't put it out because it won't benefit the consumer to promote vapourware (paraphrased).

You think they may be on ATi's growing list of reviewers-who-don't-get-cards-now (along with HA)?

lmao for being an assclown at least he has the ballz to do something like that. And I bet ATI is probably crossing them off the list as we speak.

 

[Kyanzes]

While browsing the benchmark results I felt more and more justified my 7800GTX purchase. The X1800XT isn't a bad product of course however it fails to deliver astonishing performance over the GTX. I'm a bit disappointed. Should it had been released six months ago I wouldn't say a word.

Edit: heck, it still not even released yet

 

[Hacp]

Ya kinda how I feel. ATI reclaimed performance crown but we have to wait one month to get those parts. Right now, all that is availible is the neutered XL, which IMO no one should get unless they hate the 7800GT IQ.

 

[Genx87]

So far the reviews I have seen look pretty good for the card. The x1800XT wins in most areas at the high end.

Ill await anands review but it looks like a solid card. Just such a shame it is showing up nearly 5 months after the 7800GTX. I hope Anand also tests with the newest Nvidia drivers so we can get an idea on what performance gains are too be had there.

I am curious to see what Nvidia's answer is besides releasing a new set of drivers.

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Almost every review site has them. AF is much better on ATi's new cards, and adaptive AA is on par, or better than NV's TA AA. Not to mention HDR+AA, which is how it should have been done to start with. Not that it would have been playable...

Is the ability to force AA with HDR on a very interesting feature? Does not games with full HDR implementations allow AA in the ingame settings anyway (not counting FarCry, but what about SC, AOE and DoD?)? Just asking.