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Originally posted by: TankGuys
Originally posted by: T2k
TG,

what's your ETA on retail 4400+ if I order one now?

THX
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Absolutely no idea. Sorry I can't be more specific! We literall don't know; we haven't gotten any answers from AMD, and our 4 distributors are all saying different things. So the best I can tell you is that we will ship them to our customers as soon as we get them...
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I see, thx for the fast answer..Based on your earlier post I guess you guys won't charge my CC until it gets shipped if I order one now, right?
 
They HAD some 4400+'s, and I got one Friday (or was it thurs night ??) Anyway fedex says mine comes Tuesday !
 
Still waiting for some 4800+'s here...

I also want to say Monarch was a disapointment. I almost ordered from there anyway cause I thought they would get it first but I'm glad I didnt.



Totally terrible customer service.

Ill stick with newegg and zipzoomfly.

 
Originally posted by: T2k


I see, thx for the fast answer..Based on your earlier post I guess you guys won't charge my CC until it gets shipped if I order one now, right?
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That is correct.
 
I ordered from Monarch rite when the Winchester came out. I ordered a retail 3500+ Winchester, and a K8N Neo2 combo. They sent me an OEM 3500+ Newcastle preinstalled on the K8N Neo2 (two weeks after I ordered), and insisted it was a retail Winchester. The tech told me: "We don't make those kind of mistakes here. It's not possible you received the wrong CPU"

I had to fight with them for three more weeks to get an RMA, and the "retail Winchester" I ordered from them. That was the worst customer service experience I've ever had with any online retailer. I will never order from Monarch again.
 
Originally posted by: Amaroque
I ordered from Monarch rite when the Winchester came out. I ordered a retail 3500+ Winchester, and a K8N Neo2 combo. They sent me an OEM 3500+ Newcastle preinstalled on the K8N Neo2 (two weeks after I ordered), and insisted it was a retail Winchester. The tech told me: "We don't make those kind of mistakes here. It's not possible you received the wrong CPU"

I had to fight with them for three more weeks to get an RMA, and the "retail Winchester" I ordered from them. That was the worst customer service experience I've ever had with any online retailer. I will never order from Monarch again.
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Man that's terrible. I wonder what happened to "the customer is always right". You should've just told them that you're not a Dell user, and you know what's going on 😛
 
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Glad you actually got an answer... I asked the same thing over at DFI street and was told off by the moderator in a very rude manner that I should either buy a second older CPU to flash the BIOS first, or just have some place put a combo together for me so I wouldn't have to flash it (background: I don't have any existing 939 platform so I'll have to flash the board to the latest BIOS with an X2 already in it). Needless to say, my new ASUS A8N-E should suit my needs quite well, thank you very much. :thumbsdown:
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Yes, I've noticed that some of the DFI employees and moderators on that forum are sometimes quite rude, don't want to answer reasonable questions, and assume posters don't know what they're talking about. Pretty much what you'd get from any too big for his britches "expert" working tech support.

OTOH, my experience with ASUS was worse. Two years ago I updated the drivers for my ASUS graphics card, and the installer changed a file to the one required for a Chinese keyboard (I think), making it impossible to use the keyboard at all. I had a backup but wasn't able to restore the necessary file, so I called ASUS tech support and was referred to second tier support. But the senior techs never called back. I repeated this twice more before I gave up and reinstalled the OS and all my software. I never did hear from those mythical senior techs who might be able to fix what the driver update broke. After that, I doubt very much I'll never buy ASUS again. I'd rather put up with a little rudness from tech support than view every driver update as a potential system killer.

Here's a response to someone else from a dfi-street moderator on flashing with the X2:
Originally posted by: RGone on DFI-street.com
Let me give you some minor insight about how things often go and maybe you will save yourself MuchO heart-ache. Most any board will boot once. Once and you are ready with floppy and flash to one of the bioses that support X2 and you will likely be alright. BUT fork around in bios and day-dreaming and sight-seeing may well bite you in the the rear-end. Sight-seeing will not be recommended.

Just the barest minimum of parts outside the case with only one stick of the BH-5 stuff in the Orange slot closest the top or upper edge of mobo. 480 WATT; 24 pin native power supply with all 4 power inputs to board hooked up and boot directly to a PRE-readied bios flashing floppy and get one of the X2 bioses flashed.

This is what I would do.

RGone...
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Not as clear as one would hope for, but not rude either, and he's not telling us we need a single-core CPU just to flash the BIOS.
 
The DFI employees on DFI-Street do have a elitest attitude sometimes, but I would MUCH prefer that over a manufacturer who completely ignores support for the enthusiast community.
 
Heh. I guess I'm an "enthusiast" of sorts, but while I do some overclocking, I use my computer primarily for "work" (school, photography, audio, etc.), so I'm not about to spend (let alone have) a s**tload of money on overclocking-specific gear. Which means that I'm probably not part of the market that DFI caters to, which means that they probably couldn't care less that they lost me as a customer with their elitist attitude BS. Oh well, I'll keep over on the "CPU" side of the forum (away from the "overclocking" section), because I'm not an "enthusiast" (by your definition).

<-- gets ready to benchmark Photoshop on his X2 when it gets here. :roll: 😀
 
Well, I like to actually use my computer rather than spend time tweakin it. I like to test a little overclocking just for the hell of it, but I prefer long-lasting, stable platforms, so I never keep anything overclocked.

I think hardware companies must love the overclocking crowd; they can charge huge amounts of money for overclocking equipment, and somewhere along the line something is going to get fried, so they buy the newest expensive overclocking equipment 😛. That crowd may not be a large proportion of users, but there are plenty of profits to be made there!
 
Originally posted by: ryanv12
Well, I like to actually use my computer rather than spend time tweakin it. I like to test a little overclocking just for the hell of it, but I prefer long-lasting, stable platforms, so I never keep anything overclocked.

I think hardware companies must love the overclocking crowd; they can charge huge amounts of money for overclocking equipment, and somewhere along the line something is going to get fried, so they buy the newest expensive overclocking equipment 😛. That crowd may not be a large proportion of users, but there are plenty of profits to be made there!
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That's why people have more than one computer...one for work, one for play 😀

There are so many different reasons why people overclock and tweak their computers.

Some do it because they like to get more for their money. I can't say I blame them, especially with lots of people running their $150 Venice 3000+ @ 2.6GHz and up...that's FX-55 performance for 1/6th the price.

Some do it because they just like tuning their computers. It's analogous to people who like tuning their cars. Some people like turbocharging their engines for more horsepower, and some people prefer phase-change cooling their CPU for a faster benchmark. Both are equally silly endeavors when viewed from the perspective of non-enthusiasts. Some people would probably think it's silly that I own a X850XT Platinum Edition when I haven't played a PC game in about 2 months, but I'm sure some people would think it's silly that people tune their cars for 500+HP when you'll never even use a fraction of that in everday driving.

I think people should pick a hobby that makes them happy, and pursue it as long as they're responsible about it.

BTW, I do almost 100% of my daily computer work on my 2 year old laptop with a 1.3GHz Pentium M in it 🙂
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
That's why people have more than one computer...one for work, one for play 😀
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LOL, that's why I have three computers... One for me, one for my parents, and one as a Linux server / web dev playground. 😉
There are so many different reasons why people overclock and tweak their computers.

Some do it because they like to get more for their money. I can't say I blame them, especially with lots of people running their $150 Venice 3000+ @ 2.6GHz and up...that's FX-55 performance for 1/6th the price.
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That's me... If it's able to do so, you can be sure that I'll have my 4400+ running at 4800+ speed (or more). 😀
Some do it because they just like tuning their computers. It's analogous to people who like tuning their cars. Some people like turbocharging their engines for more horsepower, and some people prefer phase-change cooling their CPU for a faster benchmark. Both are equally silly endeavors when viewed from the perspective of non-enthusiasts. Some people would probably think it's silly that I own a X850XT Platinum Edition when I haven't played a PC game in about 2 months, but I'm sure some people would think it's silly that people tune their cars for 500+HP when you'll never even use a fraction of that in everday driving.

I think people should pick a hobby that makes them happy, and pursue it as long as they're responsible about it.

BTW, I do almost 100% of my daily computer work on my 2 year old laptop with a 1.3GHz Pentium M in it 🙂
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I have a few hobbies that I am rather enthusiastic about, much to the detriment of my savings account. What I take offense to is being told that I am not a "computer enthusiast" (which I most certainly am) by people so into the "gaming and overclocking enthusiast" thing that they have become blind to the other forms of "computer enthusiasm" that one could have. I'm not necessarily referring to people in this thread, but the time seemed right for the rant, so there you have it. 😱

Here's to X2 overclocking success for everyone :thumbsup:
 
Is that what the DFI guys said to you, that you weren't an enthusiast?

No matter, ASUS and ABIT both have great NF4 boards out now too.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ryanv12
Well, I like to actually use my computer rather than spend time tweakin it. I like to test a little overclocking just for the hell of it, but I prefer long-lasting, stable platforms, so I never keep anything overclocked.

I think hardware companies must love the overclocking crowd; they can charge huge amounts of money for overclocking equipment, and somewhere along the line something is going to get fried, so they buy the newest expensive overclocking equipment 😛. That crowd may not be a large proportion of users, but there are plenty of profits to be made there!
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That's why people have more than one computer...one for work, one for play 😀

There are so many different reasons why people overclock and tweak their computers.

Some do it because they like to get more for their money. I can't say I blame them, especially with lots of people running their $150 Venice 3000+ @ 2.6GHz and up...that's FX-55 performance for 1/6th the price.

Some do it because they just like tuning their computers. It's analogous to people who like tuning their cars. Some people like turbocharging their engines for more horsepower, and some people prefer phase-change cooling their CPU for a faster benchmark. Both are equally silly endeavors when viewed from the perspective of non-enthusiasts. Some people would probably think it's silly that I own a X850XT Platinum Edition when I haven't played a PC game in about 2 months, but I'm sure some people would think it's silly that people tune their cars for 500+HP when you'll never even use a fraction of that in everday driving.

I think people should pick a hobby that makes them happy, and pursue it as long as they're responsible about it.

BTW, I do almost 100% of my daily computer work on my 2 year old laptop with a 1.3GHz Pentium M in it 🙂
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Totally - everyone has an impractical hobby or things that they like to spend money on. At least in this country haha. I like to play games a lot and do 3d rendering and a little music creation, but none of that is my profession - I've just been doing it as a hobby/entertainment for a while. Spending $400 on 3dsmax7 (thank god for student discounts) isn't practical for someone like me to just have fun with, but I have no problem with it. I'll probably overclock my 4200+/4400+ as far as the stock vcore lets me and I'll be happy. Cheers for expensive hobbies :beer:
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Is that what the DFI guys said to you, that you weren't an enthusiast?

No matter, ASUS and ABIT both have great NF4 boards out now too.
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No, not directly. They were insulting enough anyway as it was... I'm certainly not saying that DFI boards are bad/suck/whatever, but as a non-gamer type I was not impressed with their "support" - so I went for a board that was less oriented toward the incessant tweaker. 😉
 
Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
DFI guys are d-bags.
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Do you have an experience to share, or are you just parroting a more extreme version of something someone else said? :roll:

I will say that I'm not extremely upset over the whole thing... It reminds me of the kind of crap that goes on in high schools - rather immature, but most kids grow out of it. I kind of feel sorry for them, and hope they can get along better in the real world with other homo sapiens than they do on an online forum. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
I will say that I'm not extremely upset over the whole thing... It reminds me of the kind of crap that goes on in high schools - rather immature, but most kids grow out of it. I kind of feel sorry for them, and hope they can get along better in the real world with other homo sapiens than they do on an online forum. 🙁
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I've been visiting these AT forums for a year or so, and I always kind of feel like I'm returning to high school 😛. The DFI boards are probably worse, but flaming, "pwning", elitism and all that other stuff always did seem rather immature to me.
 
I think part of the reason for the attitude from the DFI guys running that forum is that they get fed up answering the same questions over and over again, they get tired of angry posts from folks who are frustrated with their machines, and they feel overly responsible for what goes on on the forum. It's still no excuse for being rude when someone asks a reasonable question, of course, but I can imagine what a headache running that board would be. You'd need a lot of detachment to stay sane.
 
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