*** Official ASUS P4P800/Deluxe (865PE) Thread ***

[Nyquest007]

here's a question. I looking to upgrade my system, but only have the cash for one part at a time. MOBO or processor first? I'm looking at the asus p4p800, Abit Ic7, or msi neo 2 and a 2.4c proc. I'm running an abit bg7 mobo and an oc 1.8 to 2.4 right now. the only thing I see trouble with is my mem which is a crucial 2700 and a kingston 2700 stick, both 256. NOt sure of the stablity with those sticks on a new board, but thinking I could get some wicked fsb oc's with that new proc. What do you think?

 

[Nyquest007]

upgrading one piece at a time, what do I get?
have
1.8b at 2.4
abit bg7
512 (1 crucial/1 kingston)

want
2.4c
abit ic7, or asus p4p800, or msi neo 2
1 gb of twinx corsair

which to get first?
I could get some wicked oc's with the proc but face compatablilty issues with my current mem on a new board.
Any suggestions?

 

[RDub]

 

[RDub]

Originally posted by: Slammy1
Well, actually earlier than I'd indicated. It complicates the simple approach. Instaed of increased voltage you can set you memory low (like your settings) to see how far you can go. With my o/c, I found myself CPU limited rather than RAM. I can go higher, but as I get to higher clocks I'm very cautious. I'll tighten the timings rather than see how far I can push the CPU, though with these boards it's pretty much all about how powerful your CPU and video are. For example, I can run 285 with slightly reduced timings at the same settings, but at this point I want to make sure there are no unforeseen problems. No matter how much you test stability, there's the chance you'll miss something. I gain a bit on CPU, lose a bit memory. Figure the highest o/c without extreme cooling is 3.6GHz. The harder question is which is right for you. What runs your apps best, that's the hardest thing about o/c'ing. Finding that balance. Play around with the scheme I indicated, it'll get you close to your highest o/c. The loosen or tighten timings, see if you can go further or optimize the present o/c by tightening them. Run Prime95 2 instances for short term testing (your ultimate o/c will bee 2 steps behind where you see the failure by this method typically). It's all about the journey, not the destination. Learn your board by learning its limits and limitations. Otherwise, it's all reduced to a me > you competition.

I got 250 fsb at 1:1 with 3-4-4-8-4. Scored 5500 on SisSandra memory but couldn't get through one test of Prime95. After lowering to 5:4 I couldn't go above 250 at 2.5-4-4-8-4 with a SisSandra score of 5100. It seems the 1:1 is faster but less stable. I havent run at 5:4 with the reduced timings of 3-4-4-8-4. I just built my rig a couple of months and did a lot of research but not enough to go with OCZ memory versus Corsair which I beleive is the Corsair is limiting. Live and learn. Currently running at 233 FSB at 1:1 and score 5200. I did try 2.5-3-3-7-4 timings at 233 FSB and 5:4 ratio and scored 4900. Once I upped the fsb to 238 my SisSandra score went down.

 

[Garfield3d]

Originally posted by: Souji4

Originally posted by: Garfield3dHiyas everyone! I'm... new here so if I stay a few truisms and miss others in the same sentence, then there will probably be a lot more such sentences.

Before I launch into my tirade, I guess I'll lay out the computer specs:
P4 2.8C
Asus P4P800 Deluxe
Zalman 7000-AlCu (Temperatures between 32C and 37C)
Corsair 512MB PC3200
120 GB Western Digital Serial ATA (WD1200JD)
Radeon 9800 Non-Pro
Audigy 2

Two weeks ago I put a new computer together based off of the Asus P4P800 Deluxe motherboard. Since the motherboard was recieving good reviews, I was happy. The computer turned on and I was still happy. When I started to poke at the BIOS I became unhappy. I'm hoping if any of you can shed some light to my issues.

First, reading through this thread, it seems as though a lot of people are leaving Performance Acceleration Mode to "Auto" and never enabling it. Likewise, when I try to enable Performance Acceleration Mode, Windows won't boot up. Has anyone had any success with enabling Performance Acceleration Mode?

Secondly, I'm running on Corsair XMS PC3200. I know Corsair's had a good reputation for being overclockable and reliable, but apparently the P4P800 seems to grind with Corsair RAM and several posts on this board seem to confirm it. Whenever I run at 2-3-3-6, the computer tends to crash intermittently. Sometimes I'll get a BSOD too. Is this... um, normal? Corsair usually carries a price premium with their RAM and I was expecting it to be fairly overclockable, but I can't squeeze across very aggressive timings on the RAM. Have I been handed a weak RAM stick or motherboard, or am I just going to have to be conservative with the RAM? What are the timings that everyone with Corsair PC3200 is using for the P4P800? Memory Acceleration Mode is enabled too.

Finally, I've discovered that my system can't seem to overclock worth crap. I'm a bit new to the specifics of overclocking, so I might need someone to hold my paw and walk me through this.
I'm trying to run the CPU and RAM synchronously 1:1, but I can't get past a FSB of 210 without Windows crashing on loadup. After kicking the wall in an attempt to motivate the computer to stabilize, I decided ask here for help before frying something. Many other people seem to get into the 3.0 Ghz range very easily. Even the ones who complain about getting a bad chip reach 3.0+ Ghz with relative ease. I think I'm missing something. I've backed the RAM to SPD but I haven't messed around with the Vcore or voltage settings to other parts of the computer. I was hoping I could nudge the CPU clockspeed up by at least 100 Mhz before needing to play with voltage settings. Do you guys have any recommendations on common voltage settings to overclock with stability? Or do you guys think that the Vcore might not even be my problem and I need to play with the RAM timings or other motherboard settings? This is the first time that I've overclocked a P4 firsthand, so I'm a bit cautious and I would greatly appreciate any info that anyone can provide.

Garfield3d, exactly which RAM do you have? the 3200LL or 3200C2? I have the 3200C2 and it's horrible at OCing. Don't even try OCing w/ a 1:1 ratio...it simply won't work. I can't even OC my FSB by 5MHz using 1:1. And if you read through Corsair's forums, you will quickly find that there may be an issue w/ Asus's BIOS and Corsair RAM. It seems that there is a problem with USB Legacy support and the RAM not grinding well. So for starters, disable USB Legacy. Next, the RAM needs to run at 2.75V. They even recommend it at those settings and it will not void your warranty. Try that for now and let me know how it goes.

As for me, I just ordered some Kingson HyperX4000...hopefully that works, I'll keep you guys posted.

Thanks for the response Souji. The voltage setting of 2.75 was very informative. I have 3200C2 unfortunately, and I have heard non-good things about it working with the P4P800. It kinda irks me how they yodel how it can run at 2-3-3-6 and how it's nowhere near there right now. I pushed the voltage up to 2.75V, but I haven't tried overclocking since. I've also disabled USB legacy support. I do remember getting up to a FSB of 205 at SPD without the voltage setting, so hopefully I can edge a little higher with more voltage. I usually haven't played with voltage settings, so I'm testing slowly and letting it run through for a day before I tweak anymore. It has run normally for the past few hours though. If I can get anywhere significant, I'll be sure to slap another post onto this gigantic thread.

Thanks again.

 

[Slammy1]

Originally posted by: RDub

I got 250 fsb at 1:1 with 3-4-4-8-4. Scored 5500 on SisSandra memory but couldn't get through one test of Prime95. After lowering to 5:4 I couldn't go above 250 at 2.5-4-4-8-4 with a SisSandra score of 5100. It seems the 1:1 is faster but less stable. I havent run at 5:4 with the reduced timings of 3-4-4-8-4. I just built my rig a couple of months and did a lot of research but not enough to go with OCZ memory versus Corsair which I beleive is the Corsair is limiting. Live and learn. Currently running at 233 FSB at 1:1 and score 5200. I did try 2.5-3-3-7-4 timings at 233 FSB and 5:4 ratio and scored 4900. Once I upped the fsb to 238 my SisSandra score went down.

I did some quick research. Here are some example timings others are getting with the 3700 TwinMos. I think you should be close to the same voltages and timings at the speed indicated.
VR Zone Review

How are your temps doing? What's your VDIMM and VCOre? I'd say keep your VCore default for a 1:1 and see how far you can get without increasing it when running 5:4. As you'll see, the Ram is the limiter in the lower FSB o/c's, the CPU in the higher. From what I've seen, go ahead and boost VDIMM to 2.85, set your Ram to 2.5-3-3-7-8, turn Mam to on and turn performance mose to standard (turn off tubo). You should be close to their max FSB. Figure out the 1:1 first. A 250 stable on a 1:1 is something to keep, especially if you run stock cooling.

 

[jhites]

How are your temps doing? What's your VDIMM and VCOre? I'd say keep your VCore default for a 1:1 and see how far you can get without increasing it when running 5:4. As you'll see, the Ram is the limiter in the lower FSB o/c's, the CPU in the higher. From what I've seen, go ahead and boost VDIMM to 2.85, set your Ram to 2.5-3-3-7-8, turn Mam to on and turn performance mose to standard (turn off tubo). You should be close to their max FSB. Figure out the 1:1 first. A 250 stable on a 1:1 is something to keep, especially if you run stock cooling.

You may have some issues with setting the MAM to on with the TwinMos3700. Mine just does not want to boot at all above DDR460 with it turned on. I am using a 2.8C on my P4P800 and only running it at 236fsb(3.3Ghz) with the PC3700 using 2.85vdimm 1:1 ratio at DDR472 with 2.5-3-3-7. The best it would do for me with 2.85v was DDR492. These 4.3ns TwinMos chips love voltage but hate tight timings.

 

[Crittias]

NM

 

[weasal42]

Originally posted by: deci8
Not getting any video. All brand new components.

Everything appears to be installed as it should be. The green light comes on. I've tried buffalo technology (winbond5) pc3700 as well as micron pc 2700 which are both supported. Still no video. I've tried clearing cmos/reseating cpu/hsf/ different video cards that i've tested in other machines and know to be working. Another thing thats odd is it doesn't beep at all, even when there is no ram in it. The speaker is hooked up. Seems to not beep at all regardless of anything. Any ideas? Should I just RMA it? I know the ram is good as well as the video cards. The only slot being used is for the video card. I've got a pair of raptors/cd burner/and a pair of 120gb wd se's hooked up. Its an antec case with an antec 430 watt true ps. The processor is a 2.6c retail that I just took out of the box.

If you havent sent it back yet try this first... When my friend and I were hooking up our rigs (both same components) we both had the same problem. We were getting no video and no POST, but we were getting a couple beep codes. After battling with ASUS tech support they told me the beep codes were saying that there was a keyboard and parity errors. We finally came upon the Keyboard Power jumper on the motherboard. After switching the jumper, the computer booted fine.

 

[socalvvguy]

Paunja, if you installed and are using PC-Cillin 2002 that came with the ASUS disk, uninstall it. I had the same problem with the 3com lan but once I uninstalled the Anti-Virus program everything cleared up.

 

[socalvvguy]

Originally posted by: paunja
Anyone has problem with the 3Com network adapter?

Sometimes it will not detect the connection at all when I start the pc.
Either I have to reboot the pc until it detects it or reboot my router once. I have done clean installation on the latest driver and unchecked the sleeping mode option for the network card. Could this a defective mobo? Please advise.

Paunja, if you installed PC-Cillin 2002 (came with the ASUS disk), delete the the program. I had similar issues: sometimes the 3Com network adapter was detected and sometimes it wasn't. This was very noticeable when connected to the Internet. Hope this helps.

 

[paunja]

I tried to disable the raid but that made it even worse.
I never install the anti virus software that come in the Asus disc. This problem is pissing me off. I had to reboot the system or the SMC router or unplug the cable for a few seconds for the 3Com card to work. Called the tech support but they have no solutions at all. They said they recieved calls on the similar issue.

Thanks for the recommendations.

 

[weasal42]

What do you guys think I should take my settings to, to O\C my beast.

 

[weasal42]

Or I should say, what do you think would be safe?

 

[MechVision]

Kingston HyperX KHX3200/512 512mb PC-3200 is not in the Asus QVL, does anybody have this memo? is is dual channel? is it good?

what kingston pc3200 memo should i get to have i perfect, very fast and i stable system?

does guys who have kingston memos please answer my question.

any help would save my life

thanks

 

[socalvvguy]

Originally posted by: paunja
I tried to disable the raid but that made it even worse.
I never install the anti virus software that come in the Asus disc. This problem is pissing me off. I had to reboot the system or the SMC router or unplug the cable for a few seconds for the 3Com card to work. Called the tech support but they have no solutions at all. They said they recieved calls on the similar issue.

Thanks for the recommendations.

What other cards do you have on the PCI Bus? You may want to remove the cards and see if the 3Com LAN will work. Then try re-installing each one of the cards. Which RAID are you using - the VIA or the Intel ICH? I believe the 3Com is tied to the PCI bus and that maybe causing some of the conflicts - if you're using the VIA for RAID.

Here are a few things to take a look at - which you may have already done:
Have you updated the BIOS on the M/B?
Are you using Windows XP with the newest service pack?
This maybe a royal pain the a.. , but have you tried starting all over with minimum devices (1 CD Drive, 1 Hard Drive, video Card) and new install of Windows?

 

[socalvvguy]

Originally posted by: MechVision
Kingston HyperX KHX3200/512 512mb PC-3200 is not in the Asus QVL, does anybody have this memo? is is dual channel? is it good?

what kingston pc3200 memo should i get to have i perfect, very fast and i stable system?

does guys who have kingston memos please answer my question.

any help would save my life

thanks

The HyperX KHX3200/512 MB will work fine. It's very solid and stable. You will need two of them for dual channel. I had them for a couple of weeks then upgraded them to KHX3500/512 for more OC'ing. Note: Kingston will phasing out the KHX3200/512, they are replacing it with the KHX3200A/512. The KHX3200A/512 will have slightly less aggressive timings to make it more compatible with most if not all Canterwood and Springdale Chipset boards.

 

[Convictus]

Originally posted by: phantom309
Does anyone know if a Radeon 8500 will work with this board?

Yes it does...I'm using the Catalyst 3.5 driver.

Cheers,

 

[RDub]

Originally posted by: Slammy1

Originally posted by: RDub

I got 250 fsb at 1:1 with 3-4-4-8-4. Scored 5500 on SisSandra memory but couldn't get through one test of Prime95. After lowering to 5:4 I couldn't go above 250 at 2.5-4-4-8-4 with a SisSandra score of 5100. It seems the 1:1 is faster but less stable. I havent run at 5:4 with the reduced timings of 3-4-4-8-4. I just built my rig a couple of months and did a lot of research but not enough to go with OCZ memory versus Corsair which I beleive is the Corsair is limiting. Live and learn. Currently running at 233 FSB at 1:1 and score 5200. I did try 2.5-3-3-7-4 timings at 233 FSB and 5:4 ratio and scored 4900. Once I upped the fsb to 238 my SisSandra score went down.

I did some quick research. Here are some example timings others are getting with the 3700 TwinMos. I think you should be close to the same voltages and timings at the speed indicated.
VR Zone Review

How are your temps doing? What's your VDIMM and VCOre? I'd say keep your VCore default for a 1:1 and see how far you can get without increasing it when running 5:4. As you'll see, the Ram is the limiter in the lower FSB o/c's, the CPU in the higher. From what I've seen, go ahead and boost VDIMM to 2.85, set your Ram to 2.5-3-3-7-8, turn Mam to on and turn performance mose to standard (turn off tubo). You should be close to their max FSB. Figure out the 1:1 first. A 250 stable on a 1:1 is something to keep, especially if you run stock cooling.

My system didn't like the 2.5-3-3-7-8 timings. I tried to start by tightening the timings with the other settings. Windows wouldn't load. After repeated reboots and bios recovery my system gave a solid continuous beep. After restarting and loading Windows under Safe Mode and restarting agian, it was back to normal. Does this mean anything? Could some components be compromised? I did try again with 3-3-3-8-4 timings. My system doesn't like the 8 clock burst length either.

 

[ronnn]

I have a P4P800 non delux. 2.4 P4C, Kingston HYPERX 3500 256mb x 2, Seagate 80g hd, Monsoon MH 505, Antec Sonota Case. Bios 1008 Soon to have an Audigy 2 oem (is ordered). All working great not overclocked turbo and mam on.
I have three questions. Will the Audigy 2 make much difference in quality of sound (music)
The Asus site says that the p4p800 does not support 4 memory of this type, has anyone tried it? as I would like to get more.
The new intel chipset utility on the asus site, is it worth installing and do I need to do anything special (ie removing old drivers)?
Is there any need to install bios 1009 or should I just wait for 1010 to be non beta?

 

[amoralist]

hey guys. i've been using the this board for a couple of months, and i'm having some trouble.

firstly, with the mem accel on, i cannot past memtests. why when my mem is running within spec? boosting voltage to mem doesn't seem to help. i have 2 512MB modules...

also, i can't get my microphone to work for playing counterstrike. it won't work in any windows application. i can plug in a sound blaster card and it works fine, but the onboard sound... NOT.

anyway ima little POd about it, but whatever. you guys having the same probs? especially the mic prob.

 

[Slammy1]

Originally posted by: RDub
My system didn't like the 2.5-3-3-7-8 timings. I tried to start by tightening the timings with the other settings. Windows wouldn't load. After repeated reboots and bios recovery my system gave a solid continuous beep. After restarting and loading Windows under Safe Mode and restarting agian, it was back to normal. Does this mean anything? Could some components be compromised? I did try again with 3-3-3-8-4 timings. My system doesn't like the 8 clock burst length either.

Hmmm.... Seems to be a non-timing issue. It may be grabbing at straws, but try disabling USB legacy support. Also, check out the P4P800 FAQ on ABXForums.

 

[gramboh]

I've never gotten a straight answer but I believe MAM tightens the timings on your memory dynamically (many people say it does this). cpuZ reports the timings as staying the same however so I'm not sure if this is true. If it is, this could be causing instability in memtest.

 

[bawaji]

Turbo mode (also?) tightens the timing. On my P4P800 deluxe, Turbo mode used to set the timing on my Kingston HyperX PC3500 to 2-2-2-5. Don't know what exactly MAM does --- never got it to work!

 

[paunja]

[/quote]

What other cards do you have on the PCI Bus? You may want to remove the cards and see if the 3Com LAN will work. Then try re-installing each one of the cards. Which RAID are you using - the VIA or the Intel ICH? I believe the 3Com is tied to the PCI bus and that maybe causing some of the conflicts - if you're using the VIA for RAID.

Here are a few things to take a look at - which you may have already done:
Have you updated the BIOS on the M/B?
Are you using Windows XP with the newest service pack?
This maybe a royal pain the a.. , but have you tried starting all over with minimum devices (1 CD Drive, 1 Hard Drive, video Card) and new install of Windows?[/quote]

I am not using RAID setup at all, but I believe I installed the VIA Raid driver, not the Intel. I do not have any other card on the PCI Bus.
I have done all of your recommendations but it still not working perfectly. Sometimes the connection light on the router will be on until the Windows XP screen boot up. Must be a driver conflict somewhere, just need to figure it out. Worst case scenario, I would just use my old SMC card.