*** Official ASUS P4P800/Deluxe (865PE) Thread ***

[Revolutionary]

Originally posted by: Dance123<br
Hi,

I have a small question if that's ok: i am no expert, but can bios flashing from 1.005 to 1.007 skipping 1.006 give any sort of problems. I mean, if you flash to the latest BIOS from whatever previous version you have, doesn't that always include all previous releases?! Just asking to be sure.

Thanks!

1007 does not contain the boot-sector ROM update that was included in 1006. If you click the little "More info" link on the Asus support download page, its there.

If you flashed straight to 1007 from 1005, just go back and flash 1006 (follow the specific instructions for 1006 EXACTLY: the process is different). Then re-flash 1007. And keep the 1007 ROM on a floppy and handy. 1006 sets the auto-recovery function, and you need a floppy with the ROM in order to recover. For some reason 1006 doesn't work: you need 1007 or later.

 

[Revolutionary]

Originally posted by: TheBigWookie
Hey,
Is anybody running the P4P800 with Win 98SE? I see ther are dirvers for it. Any problems .. stablity issues?
Thanks

I WAS running 98SE on my non-deluxe board. Kingston H-X 3500 RAM, 2.4C, 9500Pro. And I had OE errors, stop errors, page faults, and Windows Protection Errors (lots of those). Nothing I tried worked. Even swapped to a more powerful PSU. Nada. Upgraded to WinXP Home: no more problems. Nothing at all. Runs beautifully! Really, upgrade. If you don't have to keep settings and programs on the HDD (like, you have backups or you have install discs) then I recommend using the FULL INSTALL feature of the upgrade disc. Half the price AND a clean install of XP (little known feature of the install options). There is absolutely NO REASON for a current Windows 98, 98SE, ME, 2000, NT user to pay for a full version of XP!

Also, HYPERTHREADING DOES NOT WORK AT ALL IN WIN98SE AND WILL CRASH THE SYSTEM. Which sucks, since that is a major draw for this board/CPU combo. You have to be careful that HT is not activated in BIOS when you START the XP install, or you will get stop errors. Also, set the board to all defaults. Then, when install RE-BOOTS after copying installation files, go into BIOS and activate HT and turn on ACPI support (leave everything else alone for now). If you miss this step, then HT won't be supported. Supposedly XP will detect it if you activate HT later after the install, but that didn't happen with mine. I had to re-install because I missed this step the first time. Once you reboot, you'll be taken back to the XP installation.

Good luck!

 

[Revolutionary]

Originally posted by: Flakk
In the p4p800 bios, under the Advanced tab, what does "MPS Revision" mean? I have two options, 1.1 and 1.4. After installing the latest patches, it has defaulted to 1.1 (but used to be 1.4)... what should i have it at? and what does it do?

MPS is Intel Multi-Processor Specification. If you are going to run Hyper-Threading, then you want MPS 1.4. Also, you want to make sure that ACPI is enabled. In BIOS under POWER, set:

ACPI 2.0 Support = YES
ACPI APIC Support = ENABLED
BIOS -> AML ACPI Table = ENABLED

Revolutionary

 

[Flakk]

Originally posted by: Revolutionary

Originally posted by: Flakk
In the p4p800 bios, under the Advanced tab, what does "MPS Revision" mean? I have two options, 1.1 and 1.4. After installing the latest patches, it has defaulted to 1.1 (but used to be 1.4)... what should i have it at? and what does it do?

MPS is Intel Multi-Processor Specification. If you are going to run Hyper-Threading, then you want MPS 1.4. Also, you want to make sure that ACPI is enabled. In BIOS under POWER, set:

ACPI 2.0 Support = YES
ACPI APIC Support = ENABLED
BIOS -> AML ACPI Table = ENABLED

Revolutionary

oh.. ! thanks for the answer. Well, I just have a 2.4b p4 chip with no Hyper-Threading. So I will just keep MPS at 1.1. And what about the rest of those settings.. I have ACPI 2.0 support enabled and everything seems to be working fine. Don't know what those other ones are set to off-hand. I'll have to check when i reboot

 

[Flakk]

Originally posted by: LastRide
If you are using an 800 FSB "C" cpu use the blue slots.If your using a 533FSB "B" CPU use the blackslots.

why is that? I have a 2.4-B processor and i used the blue slots. What's the advantage to switching to the black slots?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Revolutionary

Originally posted by: Flakk
In the p4p800 bios, under the Advanced tab, what does "MPS Revision" mean? I have two options, 1.1 and 1.4. After installing the latest patches, it has defaulted to 1.1 (but used to be 1.4)... what should i have it at? and what does it do?

MPS is Intel Multi-Processor Specification. If you are going to run Hyper-Threading, then you want MPS 1.4. Also, you want to make sure that ACPI is enabled. In BIOS under POWER, set:

ACPI 2.0 Support = YES
ACPI APIC Support = ENABLED
BIOS -> AML ACPI Table = ENABLED

Revolutionary

Thanks both of you, I changed my bios. Where do I read anything to find out what all this means?

 

[gramboh]

Just another warning from my memory quest:

Picked up OCZ's PC3500 EL Dual Channel Kit (contains 2 x 512 P3500 EL DIMMs spec'd to run 2-3-3-7 at DDR 434 and allow up to 2.9v)

Popped it in and tried 2-2-2-5 and 2-2-2-6 at DDR 400 (default CPU speed - 2600MHz) and it would lock booting windows. 2-3-2-6 would work for a while but lock up after playing 3D games for about 30minutes. 2-3-3-7 is fine.

I was disappointed since I only want to run DDR 400 (3250MHz) or 408 (3325MHz). I tried running 1:1 at 217 FSB (DDR 434) at 2-3-3-7 with 2.85v and the machine would not even post. All these configs are in dual channel.

So far I've had the following results:

#1) Corsair TwinX512-3200LL - ran BEAUTIFULLY, 2-2-2-5 timings at DDR 400 100% stable (Prime95 two instances and Viewspecperf 7.0 for 14 hours) 2.65vdimm default vcore.

#2) 2 x 512 Corsair XMS 3500 (CMX512-3500 model), would run 2-3-2-6 (RAS-to-CAS 3) 100% stable at DDR 400/408, briefly tried DDR434 and DDR440 at 2-3-3-6 without any issues, not extensively tested

#3) Corsair TwinX1024-3200LL - would run 2-3-2-6 at DDR 400 only at spec CPU speed, if I bumped up to 5:4 (CPU @ 3250) it would lock after a while. RAS-to-CAS 2 would corrupt BIOS

#4) OCZ Dual Channel 1Gig Kit (2 x 512 PC3500 EL) - 2-3-2-6 at DDR 400 instable at 5:4, stable at 1:1. Will not even POST at 2-3-3-7 2.85vdimm (this is their spec for DDR434)

All I wanted to do was run 1 gig at 2-2-2-5 like I was with the 512 TwinX but it just won't work. I think I'm going back to the XMS 3500 which was the most stable and had the most headroom incase I needed to push the FSB up on a future CPU. Thought about trying 2 TwinX512 kits but I really doubt it would run 2-2-2-5 with 4 DIMMs. Oh well, hope this helps someone.

 

[Laelie]

Originally posted by: ChefJoe
Laelie, did you install the driver from the cd ? XP had no problems with the onboard lan as soon as I ran the cd based 3com driver install.

Chefjoe I'm not getting an option to install the LAN driver from the CD. Furthermore, Win XP isn't finding any extra devices as there isn't anymore shown in the device manager.
Thanks for your replies...

Lael

 

[TheBigWookie]

TRevolutionary,
Thanks for the constructive inputs on WIN 98 and the P4P800

 

[bawaji]

Originally posted by: Laelie

Chefjoe I'm not getting an option to install the LAN driver from the CD. Furthermore, Win XP isn't finding any extra devices as there isn't anymore shown in the device manager.
Thanks for your replies...

Lael

Lael,

I have not yet received my board, so this is just going from what I have seen in the manual, and assuming that you may not have checked the following already.

If you look at Page 5-2, the Gigbait LAN drivers should be listed as the last item in the list of drivers on the support CD. Does the support CD look different from what is posted in the manual? I am looking at the manual for the P4P800 Deluxe.

Also, in the "Advanced" menu under "Onboard devices configuration make sure that "Onboard LAN" is enabled. (Page 4-21) of P4P800 Deluxe manual.

Hope it is something as simple as that.

 

[Steve0]

Well, it appears that the version 1006 BIOS is no longer downloadable from any of the three Asus FTP sites accessible from its update utility.

I jumped from 1005 to 1007.

Are you sure 1006 is necessary?

Steve

 

[ChefJoe]

Originally posted by: bawaji

Originally posted by: Laelie

Chefjoe I'm not getting an option to install the LAN driver from the CD. Furthermore, Win XP isn't finding any extra devices as there isn't anymore shown in the device manager.
Thanks for your replies...

Lael

Lael,

I have not yet received my board, so this is just going from what I have seen in the manual, and assuming that you may not have checked the following already.

If you look at Page 5-2, the Gigbait LAN drivers should be listed as the last item in the list of drivers on the support CD. Does the support CD look different from what is posted in the manual? I am looking at the manual for the P4P800 Deluxe.

Also, in the "Advanced" menu under "Onboard devices configuration make sure that "Onboard LAN" is enabled. (Page 4-21) of P4P800 Deluxe manual.

Hope it is something as simple as that.

Failing the enabled part, you may find the drivers on the cd (3com somethingorother) with the motherboard or just download them from asus here http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P4P800%20Deluxe (click drivers, find the OS needed).

 

[ChefJoe]

Originally posted by: Steve0
Well, it appears that the version 1006 BIOS is no longer downloadable from any of the three Asus FTP sites accessible from its update utility.

I jumped from 1005 to 1007.

Are you sure 1006 is necessary?

Steve

http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P4P800%20Deluxe Click bios, I just downloaded the zip from the USA site. I really don't see any messages saying that 1.006 is necessary.

 

[Shuelessjo]

Originally posted by: Flakk
anyone else having problems with their SB Audigy 2 making popping sounds every time you load from disk? :\

I am running the SB Audigy 2 oem with no problems. I have it installed on PCI slot 4 if it matters.

 

[Revolutionary]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Thanks both of you, I changed my bios. Where do I read anything to find out what all this means?

Microsoft Knowledge Base and Intel website.

Or Google.

 

[Revolutionary]

Originally posted by: Steve0
Well, it appears that the version 1006 BIOS is no longer downloadable from any of the three Asus FTP sites accessible from its update utility.

I jumped from 1005 to 1007.

Are you sure 1006 is necessary?

Steve

You can't use the Asus Update Utility to flash 1006, which is why it is not in there. You have to manually download it from the Asus support page.

Dowload it here: http://www.asus.com.tw/support/download/selectftp.aspx?l1_id=1&l2_id=15&l3_id=19&m_id=2&f_name=P4P1006.zip

Also, it seems maybe I was mistaken about the boot ROM sector information. I got that from abxzone.com forums (formerly asusboards.com), and I figured that they would know. But since there's no mention of that information from Asus, it must be wrong. My bad.

 

[anomaly]

Has anyone used the 1008.004 Beta bios?

 

[LegionX]

Originally posted by: Flakk
In the p4p800 bios, under the Advanced tab, what does "MPS Revision" mean? I have two options, 1.1 and 1.4. After installing the latest patches, it has defaulted to 1.1 (but used to be 1.4)... what should i have it at? and what does it do?

i read what the others said about this and although i believe them it is weird to me. on my old MSI 648 Max-L (first version 1.1) it has it set to 1.4 by defualt and says in manual that it depends on wether your os supports it but doesnt list anything about HT which that board does not support (newer versions of it do).

So if i am using xppro and not a HT cpu (2.26/533) should i set it at 1.1? also acpi 2 or not sure of the correct spelling - should i enable that in XP pro ? i think it is disabled by defualt.

As for jumping from 1005 to 1007 bios... thats what i did first and everything ran fine but then i read that i needed to manually do 1006 then do 1007 again for that feature that 1006 gives. i did it, real simple.

anyway thanks for any help

p.s.
the expert who is pissing everyone off can just bypass my post. i dont need that kind of help or appreciate the superiority complex.

 

[LegionX]

double post mod can delete , cant seem to myself

 

[anomaly]

1008 FINAL IS RELEASED ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_478/INTEL_Chipset/i865pe/P4P800/

 

[Revolutionary]

Originally posted by: LegionX

So if i am using xppro and not a HT cpu (2.26/533) should i set it at 1.1? also acpi 2 or not sure of the correct spelling - should i enable that in XP pro ? i think it is disabled by defualt.

I don't think you HAVE to set it to one or the other if you are running non-HT, so don't sweat that. As for ACPI, unless you want to use the other benefits of ACPI, then I don't think you need to enable it (and I don't know what those other benefits are). It has to do with allowing Windows to see and control hardware power and configuration settings that used to be controlled exclusively in BIOS. With HT, it only has bearing on how the OS sees the processor. From what I'm reading, a system with HT enabled will show 1 physical CPU in the MPS table, but 2 logical CPUs in the ACPI table. Windows XP, 2000, Server 2003, etc, all support ACPI, and thus, those OSes read the system as a multiprocessor system and apply the multiprocess HAL--other OSes that don't support ACPI will only see the one processor logged into the MPS table. Thus, if you are using a mobo that doesn't support HT and a processor that does, you still want to use MPS 1.4, so that the system knows what to do with that 1 physical, but potentially two logical CPUs. Your MSI 648 Max-L may have had 1.4 on by default in order to future-proof itself. This is from an Intel doc on HT:

For each Intel® processor in the system, the two logical processors appear to the BIOS and multi-processor-aware operating system (OS) as processors available to the system and software applications. During the multi-processor system initialization process (also called system boot), the BIOS counts and records the number of logical processors available in the system. The BIOS records only the first logical processor on each physical processor into the MPS (Multiprocessor
specification) table to preserve backward compatibility with legacy operating systems. These legacy operating systems will use the MPS table only, and will not recognize the second logical processor on each physical processor. They will work as if Hyper-Threading technology is not there. The BIOS then records two logical processors for each physical processor into the ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) table. Operating systems that use the ACPI table can then proceed to schedule threads onto the logical processors that the software license allows the system to use.

 

[gramboh]

I just flashed to 1008.004 last night from 1007, didn't notice any difference re: OC/memory timings etc. Will check out the final tonight.

 

[LegionX]

hey thanks revolutionary good explanation

still have had no problems with this board at all !! if you knew my history you would be amazed at how good i am feeling about this board


going to update the 1008 bios tomorrow, having problems wqith my secondary system playing shadowbane with a kyro2 video card

i cant wait til i can afford some good memory and a 800fsb cpu (hopefully in the 3gig+ department and see what this baby can do.

 

[Slammy1]

Originally posted by: gramboh
I just flashed to 1008.004 last night from 1007, didn't notice any difference re: OC/memory timings etc. Will check out the final tonight.

I think I'll sit this one out and see what they come out with next week then.

 

[just0some0guy]

From the for what it's worth dept. Some benchmark scores and info on my P4P800.
Link to results