*** Official ASUS P4P800/Deluxe (865PE) Thread ***

[Digitl]

Originally posted by: LegionX


ok i went from 5 to 7 and didnt put in 6 since i thought each bios keeps the best out of the past ones. so what am i missing by skipping 6? i didnt quite follow what they meant. as far as i can tell i am running at 166 fsb and if not how can i tell?

LegionX

1006 updates the bios boot block which all the other bios released so far do not. That is the "crash-proof" part of the bios that allows recocery in a case of "flashing screwupitis". Go back and flash 1006 EXACTLY as the instructions say. Do not use EZ Flash or AFUDOS to do so. If you have any questions please ask.
Of course before flashing set Bios to load defaults....

Digitl

 

[Poko]

What are the on-board audio capabilities of this board? I've read that it automatically senses the right jacks, but can I connect my Klipsch 4.1 Speakers to the board? ie. Can I connect both line-out and rear-out, or is there no support for rear-out?

Thanks in advance,
Eric

 

[Digitl]

Originally posted by: Poko
What are the on-board audio capabilities of this board? I've read that it automatically senses the right jacks, but can I connect my Klipsch 4.1 Speakers to the board? ie. Can I connect both line-out and rear-out, or is there no support for rear-out?

Thanks in advance,
Eric

RTFM!!

 

[thermite88]

Originally posted by: Elvis2
I got this board ( P4P800 Deluxe) last week and am running my "old" 2.53B on it until I get my 3.0C. I'm presently running an AVC Sunflower for cooling. I also have Thermaltake's Aquarius II that I ran with my Gigabyte 8SQ800 mb. I'm now concidering a Zalman CNPS7000-CU. Does anyone know if this beast will fit on the P4P800 and is it the best choice out of the beforementioned cooling options?
TIA

Don't get the Copper unit. The Zalman CNPS7000-CuAl hybrid is a better device. It cools about the same, if not better, at half of the weight.
See this thread

 

[donfm]

Originally posted by: LegionX

Originally posted by: donfm

Originally posted by: Shuelessjo

Originally posted by: donfm
Our P4P800 [Deluxe] motherboard comes out as the #1 pick for Mid-Range Value.

First thing your link doesn't work. The next thing is that they picked the IS7 Abit board as best value.

This is what was said in the review.

"After much discussion we finally decided that the ASUS' P4P800 Deluxe is the best mid-range Pentium 4 motherboard currently available on the market."

They voted the Abit board "Editor's Choice".

I repeat, they picked the Abit IS7 as the "best value". That means bang for the buck board not "mid-priced". What are you argueing about? The IS7 has the same features as the P4P800 and is on sale at newegg for $99 right now with free shipping. That was my only point since YOU brought up the article and there were 2 OTHER boards recommended besides the P4P800 in the article. For instance the Gigabyte was rated best "deluxe" 865PE based board. You make it sound like the Asus P4P800 is the only board they recommended. That is just not the case. Just being fair here.

Don't take this the wrong way, but this is not the tech forum. Perhaps some of your numerous hardware questions should be directed there. I count 10 of your posts on this page alone. This is a forum to discuss the P4P800 board and issues directly related that might be of interest to "EVERYONE" considering or owning this board as I understand it. For instance Memory compatibility is an issue effecting everyone who buys the board. Your using PC2100 with a PC3200 board and asking if you will "have any problems" is just a totally ridiculous question and shows you have no experience in this area. Sure you will have problems. It was not designed for PC2100 ........Duh!!! That's like asking if I put maple syrup in my gas tank will I have any problems! My suggestion to you is stop writing so many pointless posts and start "reading" the posts other people have written and perhaps you will learn something and save yourself embarassment and have your questions answered in the process. Just my opinion once again.

Your using PC2100 with a PC3200 board and asking if you will "have any problems" is just a totally ridiculous question and shows you have no experience in this area.

thats harsh and sorry your wrong. the board clearly states that it can use ddr 266 or 2100. also if the tech issue is concerning this board i think this is the place for it to be - most people will read this and see any fixes or problems along with it.
Maybe the guy isnt an expert like yourself, i am by far a expert but i am also no novice and i take what you wrote to be harsh. give the guy a break and anyone else too. there are mods here that can direct posts to other forums if they are in the wrong area.

now with what you said and my replay - neither one should be on this board. but i dont like people taking shots at others.[/quote]

Harsh but honest. Don't get me wrong I am not against novices or people asking simple questions. I help as many people as I can here. What I am talking about is this thread turning into a "chatroom" for every thought that pops into some newbies head because they didn't take the time or were too lazy to do a little bit of "research" themselves. If PC2100 memory works as you say (why anyone would use it with this board is beyond me) then he should have known that by just reading the box the board came in. I assume you yourself have verified that DDR266 memory works on this board since you make the claim? It also says DDR400 memory works and many sticks don't. If he just took a few minutes of his valuable time to read the manual or read the box for goodness sakes instead of expecting others to do the legwork for him. There are 7-8 pages of posts in this thread already and if you took out all the useless "chatting" banter, you could actually see some useful information and cut it down to 2 or 3 pages. I know my views will ruffle some feathers but in the end I think most people who come here for actual information know I'm right. I stand by my previous opinion. It may have been harsh but it was honest.

As far as technical questions go, you are partially correct as long as they are pertinent. One must assume a certain level of competency when when building a computer. If a person does not have that competency, this is NOT the forum to get an education on computer building. This forum is for board specific issues as I understand it. Shuelessjoe is obviously a beginner with no previous experience nor has he done any research to get that experience. Helping with board specific technical problems yes, teaching a person how to build a cutting edge computer without the basic building skills NO! Just my opinion I'm sorry if this ruffled your feathers. I would hope that the moderators would limit some of this chatty stuff so that those of us who have issues concerning this board will be able to discuss them intelligently. The only other alternative is to start posting individual threads outside this main thread. Not sure the Mods would approve of that.

:frown:

 

[Digitl]

Originally posted by: thermite88

Originally posted by: Elvis2
I got this board ( P4P800 Deluxe) last week and am running my "old" 2.53B on it until I get my 3.0C. I'm presently running an AVC Sunflower for cooling. I also have Thermaltake's Aquarius II that I ran with my Gigabyte 8SQ800 mb. I'm now concidering a Zalman CNPS7000-CU. Does anyone know if this beast will fit on the P4P800 and is it the best choice out of the beforementioned cooling options?
TIA

Don't get the Copper unit. The Zalman CNPS7000-CuAl hybrid is a better device. It cools about the same, if not better, at half of the weight.
See this thread

Beg to differ... "it cools about the same" is not the same. The all copper unit performs much better at all temps and if one is overclocking by AIR alone then every degree counts... The motherboard can more than handle the additional weight.

Digitl

 

[cmdrdredd]

After installing SP1 for XP Pro I could not use my Mouse which is a Logitech MX700. Then after disabling the USB2.0 controller I have full functionality of my mouse back. What the heck is that about?

I have the Non delox P4P800 and if it matters 2x512MB XMS3200 and a P4C2.6

I think it's a driver issue and not my hardware unless for some reason USB2.0 and MX700 is a bad mix.

 

[Shuelessjo]

Originally posted by: donfm

Originally posted by: LegionX

Originally posted by: donfm

Originally posted by: Shuelessjo

Originally posted by: donfm
Our P4P800 [Deluxe] motherboard comes out as the #1 pick for Mid-Range Value.

First thing your link doesn't work. The next thing is that they picked the IS7 Abit board as best value.

This is what was said in the review.

"After much discussion we finally decided that the ASUS' P4P800 Deluxe is the best mid-range Pentium 4 motherboard currently available on the market."

They voted the Abit board "Editor's Choice".

I repeat, they picked the Abit IS7 as the "best value". That means bang for the buck board not "mid-priced". What are you argueing about? The IS7 has the same features as the P4P800 and is on sale at newegg for $99 right now with free shipping. That was my only point since YOU brought up the article and there were 2 OTHER boards recommended besides the P4P800 in the article. For instance the Gigabyte was rated best "deluxe" 865PE based board. You make it sound like the Asus P4P800 is the only board they recommended. That is just not the case. Just being fair here.

Don't take this the wrong way, but this is not the tech forum. Perhaps some of your numerous hardware questions should be directed there. I count 10 of your posts on this page alone. This is a forum to discuss the P4P800 board and issues directly related that might be of interest to "EVERYONE" considering or owning this board as I understand it. For instance Memory compatibility is an issue effecting everyone who buys the board. Your using PC2100 with a PC3200 board and asking if you will "have any problems" is just a totally ridiculous question and shows you have no experience in this area. Sure you will have problems. It was not designed for PC2100 ........Duh!!! That's like asking if I put maple syrup in my gas tank will I have any problems! My suggestion to you is stop writing so many pointless posts and start "reading" the posts other people have written and perhaps you will learn something and save yourself embarassment and have your questions answered in the process. Just my opinion once again.

Your using PC2100 with a PC3200 board and asking if you will "have any problems" is just a totally ridiculous question and shows you have no experience in this area.

thats harsh and sorry your wrong. the board clearly states that it can use ddr 266 or 2100. also if the tech issue is concerning this board i think this is the place for it to be - most people will read this and see any fixes or problems along with it.
Maybe the guy isnt an expert like yourself, i am by far a expert but i am also no novice and i take what you wrote to be harsh. give the guy a break and anyone else too. there are mods here that can direct posts to other forums if they are in the wrong area.

now with what you said and my replay - neither one should be on this board. but i dont like people taking shots at others.

Harsh but honest. Don't get me wrong I am not against novices or people asking simple questions. I help as many people as I can here. What I am talking about is this thread turning into a "chatroom" for every thought that pops into some newbies head because they didn't take the time or were too lazy to do a little bit of "research" themselves. If PC2100 memory works as you say (why anyone would use it with this board is beyond me) then he should have known that by just reading the box the board came in. I assume you yourself have verified that DDR266 memory works on this board since you make the claim? It also says DDR400 memory works and many sticks don't. If he just took a few minutes of his valuable time to read the manual or read the box for goodness sakes instead of expecting others to do the legwork for him. There are 7-8 pages of posts in this thread already and if you took out all the useless "chatting" banter, you could actually see some useful information and cut it down to 2 or 3 pages. I know my views will ruffle some feathers but in the end I think most people who come here for actual information know I'm right. I stand by my previous opinion. It may have been harsh but it was honest.

As far as technical questions go, you are partially correct as long as they are pertinent. One must assume a certain level of competency when when building a computer. If a person does not have that competency, this is NOT the forum to get an education on computer building. This forum is for board specific issues as I understand it. Shuelessjoe is obviously a beginner with no previous experience nor has he done any research to get that experience. Helping with board specific technical problems yes, teaching a person how to build a cutting edge computer without the basic building skills NO! Just my opinion I'm sorry if this ruffled your feathers. I would hope that the moderators would limit some of this chatty stuff so that those of us who have issues concerning this board will be able to discuss them intelligently. The only other alternative is to start posting individual threads outside this main thread. Not sure the Mods would approve of that.

:frown:[/quote]
It puts a smile to my face when I tick someone off just from a (flameless) post on a message board that had no bad intentions. If you want to talk about useless posts that do not belong here just look at your last 2 posts.
Mr. Supreme Internet being, get a life. There is one BEYOND the Internet you know.

 

[rhawk79]

I was wondering if someone could offer a little advice. I have this board with 2 sticks of 256 XMS PC3500 and a P4 3.0. I'm new to overclocking but here is my configuration:

P4 3.0 @ 3.5 (fsb = 230)...Stock cooling
Memory Timings: 2-3-3-7
fsb/memory ratio: 5/4
Case: coolermaster atc-201 aluminum - 4 fans @ 1900RPM
Power supply: 400W PSU I'm reusing from a SuperMicro server case
All voltages set to auto
Turbo mode, Memory Acceleration: Enabled

Normal system/cpu temps: 32-36C
After playing a game: 40-42C

My system is stable at 3.5 but Warcraft 3 will crash at 3.6 or 3.7. However temperatures are ok even when running that high. Any idea on what I can do to make it stable at higher speeds? I was considering getting an Antec True430 PSU, will this help? Faster fans maybe (although I'm not willing to make my system louder)...

Thanks!!

 

[cmdrdredd]

try a bit higher vcore

 

[LegionX]

Originally posted by: Digitl

Originally posted by: LegionX


ok i went from 5 to 7 and didnt put in 6 since i thought each bios keeps the best out of the past ones. so what am i missing by skipping 6? i didnt quite follow what they meant. as far as i can tell i am running at 166 fsb and if not how can i tell?

LegionX

1006 updates the bios boot block which all the other bios released so far do not. That is the "crash-proof" part of the bios that allows recocery in a case of "flashing screwupitis". Go back and flash 1006 EXACTLY as the instructions say. Do not use EZ Flash or AFUDOS to do so. If you have any questions please ask.
Of course before flashing set Bios to load defaults....

Digitl

umm, i did do exactly as the zip read me file said and then after botting i flashed 1007 then i come and see the of course before flashing set bios to load defualts...... uhh hmmm why is that? is it needed? do i have to do this all over again?
Thanks for any help

ohh and sorry (to a certain guy) if this question isnt expert enough for ya. not all of us have same levels of expertize or experience. I didnt know we had to pass a exam to post on these forums beyond reading the faq (which i admit i havent read in ages). A+ certifed and i am still in need of the occasional help and understanding of peopel with more knolledge than myself which i bet most here have. also i need a english teacher (wish it was my 6th grade teacher... she was damn hot).

 

[rhawk79]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
try a bit higher vcore

should i feel nervous raising voltages? because i do for some reason. would the antec psu allow me to reach 3.6 or 3.7 without doing this?

 

[cmdrdredd]

your CPU probably uses more juice than it's getting. Remember it's made to run at default at rated speed only. Be lucky you get what you get without adjusting.

 

[Digitl]

Originally posted by: rhawk79

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
try a bit higher vcore

should i feel nervous raising voltages? because i do for some reason. would the antec psu allow me to reach 3.6 or 3.7 without doing this?

You should feel nervous just after that advice from commanderairhead. Vcore is the last temp you want to raise unless you're in an extreme hurry to burn up your $450 processor. From what you said it sounds like a memory problem and not the voltage to the cpu. The memory you're running can handle 2.8v easy. Try that first Second you can raise the V-card to the next step up. Try that and let us know. And start reading some good OCing articles....

Digitl

 

[Digitl]

Originally posted by: LegionX

Originally posted by: Digitl
[ ok i went from 5 to 7 and didnt put in 6 since i thought each bios keeps the best out of the past ones. so what am i missing by skipping 6? i didnt quite follow what they meant. as far as i can tell i am running at 166 fsb and if not how can i tell?

LegionX

1006 updates the bios boot block which all the other bios released so far do not. That is the "crash-proof" part of the bios that allows recocery in a case of "flashing screwupitis". Go back and flash 1006 EXACTLY as the instructions say. Do not use EZ Flash or AFUDOS to do so. If you have any questions please ask.
Of course before flashing set Bios to load defaults....

Digitl

Q]Originally posted by: LegionX




umm, i did do exactly as the zip read me file said and then after botting i flashed 1007 then i come and see the of course before flashing set bios to load defualts...... uhh hmmm why is that? is it needed? do i have to do this all over again?
Thanks for any help

ohh and sorry (to a certain guy) if this question isnt expert enough for ya. not all of us have same levels of expertize or experience. I didnt know we had to pass a exam to post on these forums beyond reading the faq (which i admit i havent read in ages). A+ certifed and i am still in need of the occasional help and understanding of peopel with more knolledge than myself which i bet most here have. also i need a english teacher (wish it was my 6th grade teacher... she was damn hot).[/quote]


LegionX
You should be fine. Are you showing the new Bios on boot? It's good practice to set to default because flashing the bios can cause BIG problems and returning the bios to default state is a good way to help avoid those big problems. If you were OCing and didn't deault the bios might not take or the system hang and then you're screwed.

Digitl


And Shoelessjoe SHOULD try reading the manual first.....

 

[LegionX]

thanks
yea it is showing the 1007 bios. honestly i havent had a MB this trouble free (knocks on head) since my old asus something97 board. i have tried to stay away from asus after trying a few boards over the last few years that all had major hiccups that this is refreshing

benchmarks dont mean as much to me when the board isnt stable and i think with this board i am getting the best of both worlds. i hope down the road if i decide to try o/c it i have similar results.

 

[Digitl]

Originally posted by: LegionX
thanks
yea it is showing the 1007 bios. honestly i havent had a MB this trouble free (knocks on head) since my old asus something97 board. i have tried to stay away from asus after trying a few boards over the last few years that all had major hiccups that this is refreshing

benchmarks dont mean as much to me when the board isnt stable and i think with this board i am getting the best of both worlds. i hope down the road if i decide to try o/c it i have similar results.

LegionX

So let me get this entirely straight OK? You did flash 1006 and then flashed 1007 again? If that is what you did you should be all set. You might like to try Bios 1008.004. It's very stable and I have had no problems at all. Very good at OCing also. And I know what you mean about this board. I love it. In 2 months I've been through an MSI 875P Neo and a AOpen AX4C MAX. All had major issues that the Companies wouldn't address. Hell...way too many name brands to have to put up with that crap. This is my first Asus and I'm completely happy with it.

Digitl

 

[LegionX]

Originally posted by: Digitl

Originally posted by: LegionX
thanks
yea it is showing the 1007 bios. honestly i havent had a MB this trouble free (knocks on head) since my old asus something97 board. i have tried to stay away from asus after trying a few boards over the last few years that all had major hiccups that this is refreshing

benchmarks dont mean as much to me when the board isnt stable and i think with this board i am getting the best of both worlds. i hope down the road if i decide to try o/c it i have similar results.

LegionX

So let me get this entirely straight OK? You did flash 1006 and then flashed 1007 again? If that is what you did you should be all set. You might like to try Bios 1008.004. It's very stable and I have had no problems at all. Very good at OCing also. And I know what you mean about this board. I love it. In 2 months I've been through an MSI 875P Neo and a AOpen AX4C MAX. All had major issues that the Companies wouldn't address. Hell...way too many name brands to have to put up with that crap. This is my first Asus and I'm completely happy with it.

Digitl

yea i did 1006 then 1007 again. i think i will wait for 1008 to show up on the site. as long as everything is working i dont need a possible headache from a new bios. as for boards, well i was the first one to have or atleast post about the agp8 boards with the 9700 pro whgen it was released on the rage3d boards (i go by Glythic there) and i went through quite a few boards and 3 rma's on just the boards. that whole incedent made me weary of buying a new board when first brought out but i thought they might have learned a thing or 2 with the 7205? anyway i am glad i took the leap. my msi 648 just never made me feel secure...

anyway thanks again

 

[gramboh]

I'm not sure if the autorecovery part of this board works properly.

I had my machine built at a local shop, 99% sure it shipped with 1006 BIOS and the shop flashed it to 1007. Anyways, earlier today I was swapping ram around (Corsair XMS 3500 for 1024TwinX-3200LL) and after changing the timings to 2-2-2-5 to see if it would fly at DDR 400, I got a BIOS corrupt error and prompt to recover from the CDROM with BIOS file. So I put it in and it flashed, rebooted, nothing, no VGA, no keyboard, no POST. So I take down the system, take out battery and use the jumper to clear CMOS. Boot it up and still nothing. After being puzzled and annoyed at the prospect of bringing the machine into the shop to have the MB replaced I decided to download the 1007 BIOS onto a floppy and see if the autorecovery would work (even without VGA I could see the machine seeking the floppy/CDROM). Viola it worked!

Moral of the story: Have 1007 or newer on a floppy, renamed to P4P800.rom -- the CD version may not work if you have a newer BIOS and it's reverting to an old one. For the record, when it was flashing from the CD rom it said successful and told me to reboot. All is well now -- where can I get 1008 from?

 

[LastRide]

Last post on page 7 in this thread.

 

[rhawk79]

well i wasn't able to take the fsb any further than 233. even after lowering the memory timings 240 still wasn't stable. also, even with lower timings i could not go higher than 210 with a 1:1 ratio. corsair will be releasing pc3500LL soon, at lower latencies, and I'll sell and switch to that, so maybe I'll be able to go higher at 1:1 with those modules.

But I will say this, since I'm staying at 230 I decided to lower the memory timings as low as possible. Went from 2-3-3-7 to 2-2-2-5 and man when I booted up the system was as SNAPPY as it's EVER been!!!!

 

[donfm]

:frown:[/quote]
It puts a smile to my face when I tick someone off just from a (flameless) post on a message board that had no bad intentions. If you want to talk about useless posts that do not belong here just look at your last 2 posts.
Mr. Supreme Internet being, get a life. There is one BEYOND the Internet you know.
[/quote]


You just proved my point exactly by your own post. You are obviously very young and know very little about the subject you attempt to discuss here or the etiquette of message board posting. Go ahead and "Chat" away my friend. See if you can beat your own record of 10 silly posts per page. Good luck with your PC3200 board and yourPC2100 memory.. You do know you have to plug the memory in for it to work don't you?

 

[Revolutionary]

Originally posted by: gramboh
I'm not sure if the autorecovery part of this board works properly.

I had my machine built at a local shop, 99% sure it shipped with 1006 BIOS and the shop flashed it to 1007. Anyways, earlier today I was swapping ram around (Corsair XMS 3500 for 1024TwinX-3200LL) and after changing the timings to 2-2-2-5 to see if it would fly at DDR 400, I got a BIOS corrupt error and prompt to recover from the CDROM with BIOS file. So I put it in and it flashed, rebooted, nothing, no VGA, no keyboard, no POST. So I take down the system, take out battery and use the jumper to clear CMOS. Boot it up and still nothing. After being puzzled and annoyed at the prospect of bringing the machine into the shop to have the MB replaced I decided to download the 1007 BIOS onto a floppy and see if the autorecovery would work (even without VGA I could see the machine seeking the floppy/CDROM). Viola it worked!

Moral of the story: Have 1007 or newer on a floppy, renamed to P4P800.rom -- the CD version may not work if you have a newer BIOS and it's reverting to an old one. For the record, when it was flashing from the CD rom it said successful and told me to reboot. All is well now -- where can I get 1008 from?

I blitzed 1007 with an overly zealous OC attempt. I loaded the floppy with 1007 on it, and am going strong again. Given the information above about auto-recovery being a feature of 1006, do you think I need to re-load 1006, then redo 1007 to make sure that I have the auto-recovery function?

 

[deathfalls]

i bought a p4p800 from newegg.com last night, along with 1GB of the apacer pc3200 memory, and a p4 2.8cGHz cpu. the more i look at it, i should have just spent the extra money and gotten kingston hyperx pc3200 (KHX3200/512)... i'm relatively new to this, but i would like to overclock a little... ah well... i'll learn to look into things a little more. i'm sure i'll post in this thread a bit more once my order comes in (i'm hoping this friday)...

 

[Revolutionary]

Originally posted by: deathfalls
i bought a p4p800 from newegg.com last night, along with 1GB of the apacer pc3200 memory, and a p4 2.8cGHz cpu. the more i look at it, i should have just spent the extra money and gotten kingston hyperx pc3200 (KHX3200/512)... i'm relatively new to this, but i would like to overclock a little... ah well... i'll learn to look into things a little more. i'm sure i'll post in this thread a bit more once my order comes in (i'm hoping this friday)...

I originally ran GEIL PC3500 in my P4P800. I had a hard time getting it stable. Finally did so at tight timings, 800Mhz FSB, and 2.85 vDIMM! These GEIL DIMMs are supposed to thrive on high voltage, but I don't want to fry anything! So I took them out and opted for a gig of Kingston HyperX. Tighter timings at lower voltage, and rock solid. Now that's a thing of beauty!