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etech

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: drewshin
yes, just look to chile, and see how the u.s. worked to topple a democratically elected president, to replace him with a military freak name pinochet who kidnapped, tortured, and killed thousands. good guys, bad guys, dont mean a thing to the u.s. government.

Interesting example drewshin. Now tell us why the US did that, if you can.
IIRC, the US was worried that Allende would turn Chile into a communist power in South America, so they backed Pinochet during the coup and he went on to become one of the most infamous dictators in modern history. The case of Suharto is fairly similar; the US was worried that an independent East Timor would be a "destabilizing" influence in the region so the both blessed and armed Suharto's efforts to bring them back into the fold. End product: 200,000 dead. Nearly 1/3 the population of E. Timor at the outset of the conflict.

The US may mean well, but our track record of reigning things in when they go bad (after we got the ball rolling) is rather poor for the most part.

You bring up a good point. Pinochet was not known as a dictator or "military freak" when the US backed him instead of the communist. And then of course there are many different views of what happened.
Chile: Two Visions

Wall Street Journal

"From all indications, Chileans themselves have mixed feelings. Many condemn the brutality used to suppress the left after the military seized power in 1973. But many also recognize that Gen. Pinochet ultimately delivered economic freedom and democratic institutional renewal. Few in Chile regret that the general crushed Marxism and that they do not live like Cubans under vile repression. This generalized view is but a glimpse of the complexities that the country now faces in resolving the case. While there is an unwillingness to overlook torture if it is proved, there is a tacit acceptance on the part of many that had the military not fought hard, the outcome might have been devastatingly different.

A critical piece of the case led by international socialists against the general has always been an insistence that Chile's president in 1973, Salvador Allende, was a social democrat who was victimized by the CIA and Chile's military. He has been canonized as a martyr of the left and it is now part of legend that he was murdered, even though his doctor told a reporter for this newspaper, just after his death, that he committed suicide.

But here in Chile it's not so easy to sell revisionist history. The facts about the Allende years, which led to the military coup -- a coup requested by members of the Chilean congress, including the left-of-center Christian Democrats -- have lived on and new information is constantly being uncovered.


. (December 1999) Pinochet: the other side of the story

(December 1999) Pinochet: the other side of the story. While all eyes are on Britain's struggle to decide whether general Pinochet should be extradited to Spain as a criminal or returned to his homeland as an ex ruler, something historical is happening in Chile. Since 1973, when Pinochet killed the democratically-elected communist president Allende and seized power, the world has heard only one version of the facts: Pinochet was an evil man, a little Hitler of the impoverished south, who made thousands of opponents "disappear" and ruled brutally over poor Chileans.
The story is quite different, and is finally being told, of all people, by Pinochet's own enemies: the Socialist Party, which hopes to win the next elections thanks to its revisionist attitudes. Although it does not promote Pinochet among angels, the new version of the facts shows that blame was not all on one side, and that many Chileans were more than pleased by the infamous coup.
...
Ricardo Lagos, the socialist candidate to president, has admitted that Allende made several mistakes which sent Chile's economy plunging into a free fall. He has admitted that Allende's government was "experimenting" beyond the constitutional law, by allowing communist-inspired abuses against private property. He clearly blamed Allende for the country's hyperinflation, shortages and financial collapse that were mentioned by Pinochet as the very reasons for seizing power. Nunez Munoz in person, the elderly president of the Socialist Party, criticized those who think that the CIA was responsible for the coup. While the United States obviously did not feel too sorry, it was Allende's own debacle.
The truth is that Pinochet's coup against Allende was welcomed by many, as any visitor to Chile in those years can report. The Christian Democrats, the largest party in Chile, approved the coup, albeit with reservations.
..."


There's always more to the story than what the anti-Americans want you to believe.
 

0roo0roo

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from what i hear now they are eating up huge amounts of city funds. over time police pay etc. so unintended consequences of their semi violent inconsiderate protests is to put a city struggling under deficit in the hole more. yay! less money for education always good. war expensive? well protestin that way is also expensive:p

maybe they'll stop someone going to a job interview or something from getting there on time.


maybe their goal isn't to gain supporters through peaceful considerate protest, but just to act like asses.

 

KK

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Originally posted by: numark
Come on, grow up, people. Pretty much this whole thread has been about liberal bashing, advocating violence against the protestors, and stereotyping. I know ten-year-old kids that say things more mature than some of the things that have been said in this thread. Examples just on the front page:

"I'd run them over"
"Some are just plain troublemakers."
"Anti-Bush rallies by ticked off Liberals"
"Bunch of tree hugging hippies"

You don't have to agree with them, you don't even have to like them personally, but to say things like this is just juvenile and disregarding their plain right to voice their opinion even at the risk of getting arrested (or killed, as a few have been in recent protests during clashes with police). Because they create a small discomfort, it's alright for you to advocate running them over and characterizing them as a bunch of tree-hugging hippies? Come on, that's just deplorable. At least they're standing up for their beliefs. You're just trying to run their beliefs down (literally). Contribute something to the conversation, don't just sit here in front of your computer and attack whoever you don't happen to like this week.

Well, I don't like them this week, nor will I like them next week. I'm talking about the morons who disrupt the life of someone who is just trying to go about his standard day, not the peaceful protesters, I'm sure those are very few though. Why are the majority of them under 25? Because they have no idea what is going on, they are no better than the morons that riot after a sporting event. They do their cause no good by acting like fools. They only piss off people like me. Bunch of brats.

KK

 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: drewshin
yes, just look to chile, and see how the u.s. worked to topple a democratically elected president, to replace him with a military freak name pinochet who kidnapped, tortured, and killed thousands. good guys, bad guys, dont mean a thing to the u.s. government.

Interesting example drewshin. Now tell us why the US did that, if you can.
IIRC, the US was worried that Allende would turn Chile into a communist power in South America, so they backed Pinochet during the coup and he went on to become one of the most infamous dictators in modern history. The case of Suharto is fairly similar; the US was worried that an independent East Timor would be a "destabilizing" influence in the region so the both blessed and armed Suharto's efforts to bring them back into the fold. End product: 200,000 dead. Nearly 1/3 the population of E. Timor at the outset of the conflict.

The US may mean well, but our track record of reigning things in when they go bad (after we got the ball rolling) is rather poor for the most part.

You bring up a good point. Pinochet was not known as a dictator or "military freak" when the US backed him instead of the communist. And then of course there are many different views of what happened.
Chile: Two Visions

Wall Street Journal

"From all indications, Chileans themselves have mixed feelings. Many condemn the brutality used to suppress the left after the military seized power in 1973. But many also recognize that Gen. Pinochet ultimately delivered economic freedom and democratic institutional renewal. Few in Chile regret that the general crushed Marxism and that they do not live like Cubans under vile repression. This generalized view is but a glimpse of the complexities that the country now faces in resolving the case. While there is an unwillingness to overlook torture if it is proved, there is a tacit acceptance on the part of many that had the military not fought hard, the outcome might have been devastatingly different.

A critical piece of the case led by international socialists against the general has always been an insistence that Chile's president in 1973, Salvador Allende, was a social democrat who was victimized by the CIA and Chile's military. He has been canonized as a martyr of the left and it is now part of legend that he was murdered, even though his doctor told a reporter for this newspaper, just after his death, that he committed suicide.

But here in Chile it's not so easy to sell revisionist history. The facts about the Allende years, which led to the military coup -- a coup requested by members of the Chilean congress, including the left-of-center Christian Democrats -- have lived on and new information is constantly being uncovered.


. (December 1999) Pinochet: the other side of the story

(December 1999) Pinochet: the other side of the story. While all eyes are on Britain's struggle to decide whether general Pinochet should be extradited to Spain as a criminal or returned to his homeland as an ex ruler, something historical is happening in Chile. Since 1973, when Pinochet killed the democratically-elected communist president Allende and seized power, the world has heard only one version of the facts: Pinochet was an evil man, a little Hitler of the impoverished south, who made thousands of opponents "disappear" and ruled brutally over poor Chileans.
The story is quite different, and is finally being told, of all people, by Pinochet's own enemies: the Socialist Party, which hopes to win the next elections thanks to its revisionist attitudes. Although it does not promote Pinochet among angels, the new version of the facts shows that blame was not all on one side, and that many Chileans were more than pleased by the infamous coup.
...
Ricardo Lagos, the socialist candidate to president, has admitted that Allende made several mistakes which sent Chile's economy plunging into a free fall. He has admitted that Allende's government was "experimenting" beyond the constitutional law, by allowing communist-inspired abuses against private property. He clearly blamed Allende for the country's hyperinflation, shortages and financial collapse that were mentioned by Pinochet as the very reasons for seizing power. Nunez Munoz in person, the elderly president of the Socialist Party, criticized those who think that the CIA was responsible for the coup. While the United States obviously did not feel too sorry, it was Allende's own debacle.
The truth is that Pinochet's coup against Allende was welcomed by many, as any visitor to Chile in those years can report. The Christian Democrats, the largest party in Chile, approved the coup, albeit with reservations.
..."


There's always more to the story than what the anti-Americans want you to believe.


too bad facts won't change their bias or cure their ignorance.

 

AlienCraft

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Nov 23, 2002
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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
from what i hear now they are eating up huge amounts of city funds. over time police pay etc. so unintended consequences of their semi violent inconsiderate protests is to put a city struggling under deficit in the hole more. yay! less money for education always good. war expensive? well protestin that way is also expensive:p

maybe they'll stop someone going to a job interview or something from getting there on time.


maybe their goal isn't to gain supporters through peaceful considerate protest, but just to act like asses.
The thoought occured to me this evening while watching the news, was "wonder how many of them voted?".....
If you don't vote, don't bitch......

:D
 

human2k

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Originally posted by: numark
Come on, grow up, people. Pretty much this whole thread has been about liberal bashing, advocating violence against the protestors, and stereotyping. I know ten-year-old kids that say things more mature than some of the things that have been said in this thread. Examples just on the front page:

"I'd run them over"
"Some are just plain troublemakers."
"Anti-Bush rallies by ticked off Liberals"
"Bunch of tree hugging hippies"

You don't have to agree with them, you don't even have to like them personally, but to say things like this is just juvenile and disregarding their plain right to voice their opinion even at the risk of getting arrested (or killed, as a few have been in recent protests during clashes with police). Because they create a small discomfort, it's alright for you to advocate running them over and characterizing them as a bunch of tree-hugging hippies? Come on, that's just deplorable. At least they're standing up for their beliefs. You're just trying to run their beliefs down (literally). Contribute something to the conversation, don't just sit here in front of your computer and attack whoever you don't happen to like this week.

Still, this doesn't stop me from running them over because they are just plain troublemakers who are anti-bush. Bottom line = they are just a bunch of tree hugging hippies.

Gg, I win, you lose, your that stuff that accumlates below my testicles.


BTW, I like how all the anti-war (pro-peace) treehugginghippies around the world and in the US premote peace by causing street violence such as attacking local shops(ie.mcdonalds). Great way to premote peace.
rolleye.gif
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
from what i hear now they are eating up huge amounts of city funds. over time police pay etc. so unintended consequences of their semi violent inconsiderate protests is to put a city struggling under deficit in the hole more. yay! less money for education always good. war expensive? well protestin that way is also expensive:p

maybe they'll stop someone going to a job interview or something from getting there on time.


maybe their goal isn't to gain supporters through peaceful considerate protest, but just to act like asses.
The thoought occured to me this evening while watching the news, was "wonder how many of them voted?".....
If you don't vote, don't bitch......

:D

heh yup, i hate people that don't vote:p


i live in san jose, a mere hour from san fran. almost zero protesting here :)
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: human2k
Originally posted by: numark
Come on, grow up, people. Pretty much this whole thread has been about liberal bashing, advocating violence against the protestors, and stereotyping. I know ten-year-old kids that say things more mature than some of the things that have been said in this thread. Examples just on the front page:

"I'd run them over"
"Some are just plain troublemakers."
"Anti-Bush rallies by ticked off Liberals"
"Bunch of tree hugging hippies"

You don't have to agree with them, you don't even have to like them personally, but to say things like this is just juvenile and disregarding their plain right to voice their opinion even at the risk of getting arrested (or killed, as a few have been in recent protests during clashes with police). Because they create a small discomfort, it's alright for you to advocate running them over and characterizing them as a bunch of tree-hugging hippies? Come on, that's just deplorable. At least they're standing up for their beliefs. You're just trying to run their beliefs down (literally). Contribute something to the conversation, don't just sit here in front of your computer and attack whoever you don't happen to like this week.

Still, this doesn't stop me from running them over because they are just plain troublemakers who are anti-bush. Bottom line = they are just a bunch of tree hugging hippies.

Gg, I win, you lose, your that stuff that accumlates below my testicles.


BTW, I like how all the anti-war (pro-peace) treehugginghippies around the world and in the US premote peace by causing street violence such as attacking local shops(ie.mcdonalds). Great way to premote peace.
rolleye.gif

I like how you support violence against those who don't agree with you. Just about all the protestors have been extremely peaceful. But of course you don't have the cajones to actually do anything either.

Just a little biatch with fantasies of killing people who don't think like you while you sit in your room pretending to be an American.

 

Iwentsouth

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Protesters whine police rude while in jail.

They griped that their requests for water or food were ignored or delayed for hours. When they did get fed, they got cheese or peanut butter-and-jelly sandwiches that didn't taste great.

Aww there food didn't taste good either.

These "peace" protesters causing all this violance and vandalism have the nerve to say other people are bieng rude...
 

IGBT

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Those sandwiches are made by jail inmates...muwhahaha...who knows what those hiv/aids/etc.infected slam birds did to em..muwhahahah..............:D
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: nagger
Originally posted by: Walruslord
Originally posted by: nagger
I'm not anti-war, I'm for solving conflicts using non-violence.


Right.....

yep, that's right.

and as you can see from my profile I'm not from the US, I am from a very small country that had a brutal dictatorship for 48 years and it was toppled in a (semi) peacefull revolution.

it's always possible to solve conflicts using non-violence methods, just look at India's independence.

That would've worked great back in the '40s, wouldn't it..

..not quite.
 

jlee

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Sep 12, 2001
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Just found this.. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81728,00.html

About 80 to 100 demonstrators were arrested in San Francisco Friday, where the most raucous demonstrations have taken place. Fourteen hundred people were arrested Thursday.
Protesters stalled firefighters trying to respond to emergencies. Firefighters and police used bolt cutters on protesters who had locked their arms together in metal sleeves.
One protester reportedly died after falling from the Golden Gate Bridge. Police are investigating it as a suicide.
"This is the largest number of arrests we've made in one day and the largest demonstration in terms of disruption that I've seen," Assistant Police Chief Alex Fagan Sr., a 30-year department veteran, told the San Francisco Chronicle.
Roughly 1,500 of the police department's 2,300 officers were on street duty, the Chronicle reported, costing the city $500,000 in police overtime.
Often, police in riot gear would encircle the demonstrators, only to find themselves encircled.
"We're in a totally reactive mode," Deputy Chief Rick Bruce, head of the Police Department's special operations bureau, told the Chronicle. "We just respond to illegal activity. It's tough. They are moving faster than us."
Protesters blocked intersections, scuffled with police, broke windows and heaved newspaper racks and debris into streets. Some hurled rocks at commuter trains, briefly halting service at a station across the Bay in Oakland.
"We went from what I would call legal protests to absolute anarchy," said Fagan.
"I must express my frustration at the tactics of some protesters," Mayor Willie Brown said in a statement Thursday night, "who have chosen to specifically try to disrupt this city, rather than gather peacefully to voice their desire for peace, at the expense of the day-to-day lives of ordinary San Franciscans ? and at great cost to the city."
As in San Francisco, police in Los Angeles and several other cities went on 12-hour shifts.
Twelve protesters in downtown Indianapolis faced court appearances Friday. Those arrested included eight of 13 people who entered the local offices of U.S. Sens. Richard Lugar and Evan Bayh, promising not to leave until the senators withdraw their support for the war. Both senators were in Washington.
In East Lansing, Mich., about 100 protesters, some of whom were chained together, blocked a main road near Michigan State University Friday. Five arrests were made and more were expected.
Protesters trashed the grounds around a northern New Mexico home owned by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, placing "No War" stickers and throwing children's clothes around the property.
On Thursday, protesters at Utah Valley State College were hit with a dozen raw eggs as they listened to a student read a peace poem. Campus police couldn't apprehend the culprits.
Portland, Ore., protesters smashed three windows at a McDonald's restaurant, set a flag on fire and sprayed graffiti on a sign at a Shell gas station. More than 135 people were arrested after police used pepper spray and explosives. A police spokesman said one cop was injured and received 10 stitches after a flying object hit him during a confrontation.
"I like the idea of shutting down commerce and the city to counteract Bush's economic motives for this war," said Eric Anholt, 19, of Portland.

Several thousand marchers snarled afternoon rush-hour traffic in Chicago, repeatedly breaking through lines of police on horseback or in riot gear.
In New York, more than 300 protesters snarled traffic in Times Square during the evening commute. Police arrested 36 people.
District of Columbia police closed down the Key Bridge in Georgetown Thursday after protesters on foot and on bikes jammed traffic.
"We're used to protests in the city and it's nothing that we haven't handled before," a spokesman for the Washington, D.C. police told Foxnews.com.

No war, they say..as they trash their city (and its economy).

Why is it that these protestors seem to be young (ie students)? They're probably not working..so the possibility of raising taxes to compensate for their illegal activity doesn't bother them...and maybe they're not mature enough to understand what's actually going on..? Who knows..
 

colonel

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If they're breaking the law, they will be arrested.
If they're not breaking the law, they're excercising their liberties as defined by the Constitution.

Is it that hard to understand.

glad to see they are excercising their liberties as defined by the Constitution, the same way did Martin Luther King when these guys writting against anti-war citizens were playing with Lego.

 

Ornery

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If it's already been said, I just want to reiterate that the cops, national guard or whoever polices this crap should have zero tolerance for breaking the law. Arrest as many as possible. Cost the arrested tons of money and time. Perhaps even try to recoup costs via fines. If need be, throw the fvckers in some type of internment camp till they can be processed. This ONLY applies to those breaking the law, and again, ZERO tolerance! :frown:

Tape the whole scene, so that there's no wiggle room for the law breakers. We've got to reverse the riot defense, so that it favors police, rather than rioters. If they happen to get a little rough... hey, it's a riot. That's to be expected, right?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: numark
Come on, grow up, people. Pretty much this whole thread has been about liberal bashing, advocating violence against the protestors, and stereotyping. I know ten-year-old kids that say things more mature than some of the things that have been said in this thread. Examples just on the front page:

"I'd run them over"
"Some are just plain troublemakers."
"Anti-Bush rallies by ticked off Liberals"
"Bunch of tree hugging hippies"

You don't have to agree with them, you don't even have to like them personally, but to say things like this is just juvenile and disregarding their plain right to voice their opinion even at the risk of getting arrested (or killed, as a few have been in recent protests during clashes with police). Because they create a small discomfort, it's alright for you to advocate running them over and characterizing them as a bunch of tree-hugging hippies? Come on, that's just deplorable. At least they're standing up for their beliefs. You're just trying to run their beliefs down (literally). Contribute something to the conversation, don't just sit here in front of your computer and attack whoever you don't happen to like this week.

And I'll stand by my "Anti-Bush rallies by ticked off Liberals" until just ONE of these 'anti-war' protests actually becomes something of substance when a rally is held and a decent alternative to a forced disarmament is offered.

From some of the coverage I've seen and interviews made of participants, most of them have no idea why they're there. Some quotes I've heard/read:

"Because Bush illegally stole [as opposed to legally stole? :) ] the election and now he's illegally killing Iraqi civilians" (uh...yeah....right)
"Because I hate violence" (ok....then you're glad Saddam is being removed, right? No? Oh...why not?? Ignorant hypocrit.)
"I'm just out here with some friends...showing my support for the Iraqi people." (Oh, again, you're glad Saddam will be removed from office then? Oh...no? Hmm...why not? Another ignorant citizen.)
"Inspections were working. We just needed them to be tougher." (Uhh...WTF? Tougher inspections? Hmmm... Blix: 'I mean Saddam...I'm going to frog you in the arm if you don't tell me where that Anthrax is!')

rolleye.gif


But, you won't catch me holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
 

IGBT

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Anarchy by marxist morons..most of em couldn't find Iraq on a map..or their arse with both hands. Keep the camera's on em. Let the public seem them for what they are. Marxist morons.





..................................................FREE IRAQ!!...............................................................................
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: conjur
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And I'll stand by my "Anti-Bush rallies by ticked off Liberals" until just ONE of these 'anti-war' protests actually becomes something of substance when a rally is held and a decent alternative to a forced disarmament is offered.

Ok, well you can stop right now then because there have been many alternative solutions presented. Many at the protests were passing out literature with alternative solutions....in a lot of cases printed by the individual.

So are you done now? Because war isn't a liberal/conservative issue in the first place. I have run into quite a few Republicans that don't like the way Bush handled this whole mess.

 

TMPadmin

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I read half of the total posts here and couldn't wait any longer so if I say something that was already said please forgive me.

Since the Vietnam war protests in one way or another have led to violence. Whether or not is was sanctioned by the group protesting or not. Disrupting the lives of common citizens going about their daily lives is useless and an invasion of their civil liberties. Just as the protestors don't want someone on their lawn with a gun and a sign saying Nuke Iraq the majority of the people have enough to deal with in their daily lives but now they have to deal with people stopping traffic. Forget trying to catch a plane but what about the woman trying to get to the hospital to have her baby? What about the little boy that just broke his arm and need medical attention? Blocking streets and shutting down cities may get their ideal publicly known but the harm they potentially cause is far greater than their need to protest. I truly believe these people need to protest. Many just don't know what to do with themselves unless they are contradicting someone or something. But because of our government and those who fight for it these protestors have the right to protest.

I just saw on the news a Pro American protest staged by a WWII vet. He received a medal from the French government for liberating their country from the Nazi's. Simply, alone and peaceful he went to the French embassy and tried to return it. When the French official would not accept it, he just left it on the steps and went home. This man risked his life for a country that has turned their back on those who gave their lives to make them a free people again. His protest will reign over any civil disobedience ever staged. I honor and cherish our American right to gather and protest in a Peaceful Fashion.

The protestors are not only protesting the foreign policies of our government, they are protesting the Men and Women, Sons and Daughters, Husbands and Wives, and Brothers and Sisters who are out there again in the name of what is right, in the name of human rights. Without whom the protestors would be over there with sun burned armpits yelling "I don't agree with my government!" as an Iraqi takes them out and "high-fives" the guy next to them. The protestors truly believe this war is about oil. If that were the case why are we not occupying Iraq? We would then control the natural resource we are trying to protect for the Iraqi people. These protestors are protesting the families of those fighting for the liberties of people they never met (the Iraqi citizens). Instead of protesting and causing more issues all over the world they should be helping mothers who who worry everyday their sons or daughters are not home. Fathers who quietly hold back the tears as news of their son or daughter is killed. I don't care if they died with honor defending what makes The United States of America the greatest nation in the world, their child is Dead! Children who deal everyday with anxiety of whether or not mom or dad will come home or wondering why they never will. Don't protest the war, you don't have to agree with it but it is happening. Your efforts will be heard louder when you act in compassion to those who need it most.

I said my peace.

Cheers to all those who are risking their lives for everyone of us safe at home. Yes, even for those out in the streets protesting, stopping traffic and shutting down cities.

And God Bless America and President Bush!
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: conjur
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And I'll stand by my "Anti-Bush rallies by ticked off Liberals" until just ONE of these 'anti-war' protests actually becomes something of substance when a rally is held and a decent alternative to a forced disarmament is offered.

Ok, well you can stop right now then because there have been many alternative solutions presented. Many at the protests were passing out literature with alternative solutions....in a lot of cases printed by the individual.

So are you done now? Because war isn't a liberal/conservative issue in the first place. I have run into quite a few Republicans that don't like the way Bush handled this whole mess.

Such as??

And don't give me tougher inspections as one. 12 years later, they had not done what was hoped they would have achieved.
 

Wheezer

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The simple fact is these protesters only care about thier point and nothing else. The reason I say that is this, if it has not already been brought up:

The resources and man power it is taking to repond to these protests should be better utilized in protecting the cities and people from possible terrorists attacks.

We know that terrorists are watching what is going on in both this country and Iraq. When opportunity presents itself they will strike. If we have a good portion of the police, national guard etc. watching these protesters then they cannot focus on a more important issue: protecting the public.

It truly shows that all these people care about is making sure thier voice is heard, they care nothing about thier fellow citizens and their saftey. They claim they want peace but will use violence to get it. In my book that is a hypocrite.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: conjur
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And I'll stand by my "Anti-Bush rallies by ticked off Liberals" until just ONE of these 'anti-war' protests actually becomes something of substance when a rally is held and a decent alternative to a forced disarmament is offered.

Ok, well you can stop right now then because there have been many alternative solutions presented. Many at the protests were passing out literature with alternative solutions....in a lot of cases printed by the individual.

So are you done now? Because war isn't a liberal/conservative issue in the first place. I have run into quite a few Republicans that don't like the way Bush handled this whole mess.


What were those alternatives?
 

Moonbeam

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Bush has burned American capital like Armageddon was right around the corner. He's got a huge portion of the world against us even in countries whose governments support us. And he's got protest at home. All you hear out of England is 'illegal imoral war'. If you go off and do something people are opposed to and you know they are, you have only yourself to blame for the trouble it causes. Bush is the cause of the war on war. He won't resign. He ignores the warnings to step away.
 

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Does anyone have a count of the number of protestors who have been killed or wounded in protests around the world over the last few months?