Sorry that is a full load test at 4.3 if you even get there. But who cares anyway. A kbl is faster in gaming.BWE without heavy avx stuff does not draw 230 watt at 4.2, nah.
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Sorry that is a full load test at 4.3 if you even get there. But who cares anyway. A kbl is faster in gaming.BWE without heavy avx stuff does not draw 230 watt at 4.2, nah.
I don't get this part. Are you suggesting the R5 will be better optimized somehow?
I find it odd you feel disappointed that you preordered, I'm in the opposite camp. I kind of regret passing up the chance to preorder while Newegg still had the 1800X, I passed partly to wait on reviews and partly to see how the motherboards ended up shaking out. This would be a 3930K replacement as well. It's pretty obvious some of the results that could be viewed as disappointing are due to early teething and software issues. The remaining simply comes down to differing architectures having different strengths and weaknesses, for every bench in which the Ryzen trails by a noticeable amount there is another where it leads by such a degree. One thing is beyond doubt though, the all around price/performance champion is now a Ryzen cpu. It's the rough equivalent of a 6900K at half the price (or better). I'm more anxious at this point to see how the chips available six months from now end up clocking under high end cooling, I'm betting they will start pushing up more towards the 4.5GHz mark.AMD tricked me into thinking this was faster than a 6900K. I also believed it would OC at least decently due to the advertised 4ghz stock clocks. AMD also told me that XFR was a celebrated auto overclocking feature, which convinced me that these chips were at least decent overclockers. I was shown cherry picked benchmarks that showed very high IPC despite clock speed deficits. I fell for it, got snagged by the hype train and was dragged along by my pants about 10 miles before finally falling off and smacking headfirst into the great wall of reason.
I knew it was a stupid thing to do and I admitted it when I said I was preordering. I did it partially for the thrill, knowing it was a gamble. Well, I seem to have lost that gamble.
Feel free to ship me your unwanted 1800x if you dont want it. I'll pay for shipping.I game 3440x1440@100hz. The Ryzen CPU failed to break 100fps in some games compared to the intel chips. Some of those game results were really terrible. I don't care about 200fps vs 500fps, but I do care when Ryzen can't even feed a GPU to max out a 100hz monitor. I'm planning on a 1080ti and I don't want 1070 performance from it because my CPU can't keep up. I'm not alone here. A lot of people are kind of freaking out about this.
Yep. Updated microcode can do wonders. Those fixes will be back-ported to Ryzen 7, of course, via AGESA code updates (BIOS), but when Ryzen 5 shows up matters should be much different...
Windows will be updated with proper support, more games will be patched, BIOS support will be improved, etc...
People who are into buying at this level are usually "nerds," so it's pretty safe to sale to us - some of us will reverse engineer the code running on the CPU and send very detailed reports.
AMD tricked me into thinking this was faster than a 6900K
Feel free to ship me your unwanted 1800x if you dont want it. I'll pay for shipping.
I find it odd you feel disappointed that you preordered, I'm in the opposite camp. I kind of regret passing up the chance to preorder while Newegg still had the 1800X, I passed partly to wait on reviews and partly to see how the motherboards ended up shaking out. This would be a 3930K replacement as well. It's pretty obvious some of the results that could be viewed as disappointing are due to early teething and software issues. The remaining simply comes down to differing architectures having different strengths and weaknesses, for every bench in which the Ryzen trails by a noticeable amount there is another where it leads by such a degree. One thing is beyond doubt though, the all around price/performance champion is now a Ryzen cpu. It's the rough equivalent of a 6900K at half the price (or better). I'm more anxious at this point to see how the chips available six months from now end up clocking under high end cooling, I'm betting they will start pushing up more towards the 4.5GHz mark.
When bulldozer launched, people said to wait for OS and game optimizations because performance would improve. It never happened.
Otherwise the CPU is great and will have a huge impact in Server market the coming months.
That's is the bread and butter for AMD. The 4/8? channel 32 threaded Naples will be a high-end beast at a much cheaper price than Intel.
1080p is the upper limit of what should be considered for any CPU comparisons, if you want to do CPU comparisons. If you do not care about CPU performance in games, just skip that section because Ryzen won't suddenly beat 1700k by switching resolution to 8k.where these same reviewers decided that 1080p is representative of high end PC gaming? HUH? What is this? The result of the Call Before you Write?
These juicy tidbits are all over all the reviews including the AMD trying to spin the questionable gaming results by: "Hurr durr test at 4k, Ryzen ties Intel there", so you bring nothing new here.Ohh this gets even better, over at Semi Accurate there is some juicy tidbits about what is going on with the benchmarks being all over the place...
I think you underestimate the number of optimizations AMD has to do, with game developers to improve Ryzen performance.This, so much this.
When Ryzen 5 gets launched, and Ryzen 7 gets retested in these much more stable and polished conditions, well, I don't think we'll even remember this launch day.
By mid year and a dozen BIOS updates and Windows patches plus games patched to properly support Zen, AM4 should be a solid platform. Gotta start optimizing for something different than Intel's architectures, you know.
Thing is, Bulldozer was an unsalvageable disaster, optimizing for it made a difference but it wasn't worth it. Zen on the other hand...
This product was rushed. There is not two ways about it.Ohh this gets even better, over at Semi Accurate there is some juicy tidbits about what is going on with the benchmarks being all over the place...
Apparently, some reviewers were not using a fresh Windows 10 build (they were taking an Intel build drive and letting it "see" the new AM4 Platform - WHAAAA??? WHY???) in some attempt to save time I guess? This lead to Boost being BROKEN, which apparently escaped several reviewers.
They also had to use non-public beta BIOSes which were sent out a few days ago, guess they didn't get the memo?
Also they needed to disable high precision event timers and set the windows 10 power option to high performance due to AM4 Windows 10 drivers being MIA at this point.
Then you have lots of the top reviewers pulling a head scratcher in regards to the memory, just flat out giving up and letting it run at gimped speeds when higher speeds were a click away (some Motherboards wouldn't post some would, I guess these reviewers forgot how to operate a PC BIOS), and then you have the gaming benchmarks where these same reviewers decided that 1080p is representative of high end PC gaming? HUH? What is this? The result of the Call Before you Write?
Some of this is obviously AMDs fault, some of it is the Reviewers fault, overall this launch has a bit of a black eye but like any black eye it will get better with time.
I think you underestimate the number of optimizations AMD has to do, with game developers to improve Ryzen performance.
It will take much more time, and we can not see better numbers when Ryzen 5 reviews will be out.
P.S. We are talking like the CPU is a let down. It is not. Absolutely not a let down. If you consider how it is priced, and how it behaves being new uArch, it is success for AMD.
So, is there no chance Zen's SMT will be an asset for gaming?It did happen, actually... just VERY slowly. Piledriver reviews looked all the better as a result. The difference with Ryzen is that there is a MUCH larger discrepancy in performance when working within a CCX and between two CCXes than when working two threads on the same module vs between two differing modules.
Why?
Dual L3 caches.
If you move a thread around inside a CCX it will most likely still find its data in the L3. If you do that between the CCXes that data will not be present and will need to be fetched from RAM... which, insult to injury, has latency issues (which have been getting better). This process happens reliably and frequently while gaming. A Windows patch can fix that - but game patches on top will help as well (keeping data local to a CCX).
This is AMD's first SMT implementation - I fully expected for it to slow down single threaded performance in at least some scenarios. The degree is more than I expected, but it makes sense given the dispatch queue and retire queue are statically partitioned. That, most likely, can't be fixed with microcode - BUT Windows updates should be able to make it a very minor issue.
If you plan to game with Zen... disable SMT. You'll still have eight real cores to give you an advantage over Intel quad core offerings. If you need to do a lot of rendering or something of that nature, turn it back on. Too bad this can't be done from software (yet?).
And really who is buying a $500 CPU to run 1080p on low anyways, my 6 year old GTX 460 i had before my RX 480 could run 1080p on low so if you are trying to run a 5-7 year old GPU with zen and then complaining of low gaming performance i dunno what to tell you other than bring your GPU into this century. This just shows how most review sites are seriously biased as well, only a few games reviewed and at 1080p low setting is a complete disgrace to reviewers everywhere and the sites doing this should be ashamed of themselves. Its actually hard to find 1440p and 4k results which is just sad in todays world, so much bias even in reviewers. Seriously who is spending $500 on a HEDT CPU to game at 1080p low setting, its just unreal how some people go so far out of their way to confirm there bias.
1080p is the upper limit of what should be considered for any CPU comparisons, if you want to do CPU comparisons. If you do not care about CPU performance in games, just skip that section because Ryzen won't suddenly beat 1700k by switching resolution to 8k.
The only good CPU game benches (not real-world playthroughs, but game benches) done were by [H] as always.
These juicy tidbits are all over all the reviews including the AMD trying to spin the questionable gaming results by: "Hurr durr test at 4k, Ryzen ties Intel there", so you bring nothing new here.
just like Intel
If you do overclock, then you paid too much for an 8C/16T RyZen chip if you bought an 1800X or a 1700X
Totally agree, all benchmarks should be space invaders in 240p, why overly stress the gpu.1080p is the upper limit of what should be considered for any CPU comparisons, if you want to do CPU comparisons. If you do not care about CPU performance in games, just skip that section because Ryzen won't suddenly beat 1700k by switching resolution to 8k.
The only good CPU game benches (not real-world playthroughs, but game benches) done were by [H] as always.
These juicy tidbits are all over all the reviews including the AMD trying to spin the questionable gaming results by: "Hurr durr test at 4k, Ryzen ties Intel there", so you bring nothing new here.