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**OFFICIAL ALCS THREAD** White Sox vs. Angels

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From a strictly neutral standpoint............I'm calling that call bullsh*t!

If I rooted for anybody, I'd root for the Angels only 'cuz I'm SoCAl born & raised, but that call was ridiculous.

Ump motions as follows.........

#1.) Hand to the side indicating strike
#2.) Fist pump clearly visible indicating..."OUT"


3rd out........inning over..........done, fini, that's it!
 
That Umpire should be pulled from the rest of the series and sent back to the minors next year to work on his skills.
 
I didn't see the play yet but if anyone's ever played baseball, you can hear the ball hit the ground... especially a pitch thrown there at 80mph+... so I'm thinking the ump heard 2 quick sounds... the ground, then the glove... or he thought there were 2 sounds.
 
That was a BS call. There's no way in hell he heard the ball hit the ground. There's 50.000 people yelling and screaming, and you're telling me he heard the baseball hit the dirt? Please.

This also questions what an actual out is in that situation: the umpire motioning the out (which he did TWICE), or him actually screaming/vocalizing "out!!"

The catcher didn't tag the runner, or throw the ball to first, because he caught the ball after the strikeout.

Just another situation where the umpires controlled the outcome of the game, instead of the players. I have to give credit to A.J. though for having the presence of mind to run to first. Most would've just taken the strikeout and walk pissed to the dugout.

Btw, I don't care who wins this series, I just like to see a good baseball game decided on the field, not by the officials.
 
Well, I don't know about being fired, but I didn't like the way the home plate ump, the crew chief, and whoever ever the 3rd schmuck was in the press conference after the game stood adament that the ball hit the ground. I just wish for once they'd own up to blowing a call that decided the game.
 
HE TRAPPED THE BALL! Even if he didn't, you could see the ball on the ground under his glove, throw the ball to first or tag the runner just in case you DUMBASS BACKUP CATCHER!
 
I don't care who wins or loses now that the Sox and Yinkys are out of it, but I do want some drama. That includes controversial calls, 1-1 games in the 9th, and 2 out RBI's.
 
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
That was a BS call. There's no way in hell he heard the ball hit the ground. There's 50.000 people yelling and screaming, and you're telling me he heard the baseball hit the dirt? Please.
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That's funny, I can hear it on tv if it's a hard pitch in the dirt... why can't the ump standing 12 inches away hear it ?

If not for hearing, are you saying he and every other umpire who's ever called a pitch like that just guesses if the catcher caught it or not ? If not 2 sounds, they are distinct sounds between the ground and a glove. Tell me you've played baseball before.
 
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
That was a BS call. There's no way in hell he heard the ball hit the ground. There's 50.000 people yelling and screaming, and you're telling me he heard the baseball hit the dirt? Please.
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That's funny, I can hear it on tv if it's a hard pitch in the dirt... why can't the ump standing 12 inches away hear it ?

If not for hearing, are you saying he and every other umpire who's ever called a pitch like that just guesses if the catcher caught it or not ? If not 2 sounds, they are distinct sounds between the ground and a glove. Tell me you've played baseball before.
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I played 4 years of high school and 1 in college. Thanks. I'm not talking about any other play other than that one last night. You can honestly sit there and tell me you heard the baseball hit the dirt? What I hear is the ball hitting the leather. And I've watched it over and over on my 51" Toshiba in High Def. Can't get much clearer than that.

99% of plays similar to that one are clear cut and obvious the ball hit the ground. I've NEVER seen them have to rely on what he percieves as a sound of the ball hitting the dirt. You're comparing apples and oranges when you say that you've played baseball and can hear it hit, blah blah. Ever play in front of 55,000+ screaming lunatics?

 
I watched the whole thing go down last night, pretty amusing.

i don't think that ump will be working the actual world series anytime soon

i know there is so much tradition in baseball but you'd think they could create a very small subset of types of calls that can be reviewed by video. no balls and strikes or anything, but maybe fouls, HR's and important game-changing calls like that one
 
The batter said that he didn't hear the umpire yell "out," so he decided to take a chance and run to first. The catcher should've also noticed that the ump didn't call out regardless if he thought that he caught it cleanly. He should've just stood up and tagged the batter for good measure. I thought that all catchers did that just to be safe in cases where it's not clear.

 
Originally posted by: jalaram
The batter said that he didn't hear the umpire yell "out," so he decided to take a chance and run to first. The catcher should've also noticed that the ump didn't call out regardless if he thought that he caught it cleanly. He should've just stood up and tagged the batter for good measure. I thought that all catchers did that just to be safe in cases where it's not clear.
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But then again, the ump motioned strike, and out, twice. So what constitutes the batter being actually out, vocal or action motion?
 
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: jalaram
The batter said that he didn't hear the umpire yell "out," so he decided to take a chance and run to first. The catcher should've also noticed that the ump didn't call out regardless if he thought that he caught it cleanly. He should've just stood up and tagged the batter for good measure. I thought that all catchers did that just to be safe in cases where it's not clear.
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But then again, the ump motioned strike, and out, twice. So what constitutes the batter being actually out, vocal or action motion?
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Well, since the catcher can't see the ump and most of the players/fans can't hear him, I would think that the ump would do both actions. I still don't have a good video of the incident to make my own judgement. I was just going on what the batter said about why he started running.

If the ump signaled out (which is what you and others have said) but didn't say anything, he screwed up. Heck, even if he didn't signal out, but made a motion that seemed like it, that's just as bad.

Edit: Ok, I saw it again. He pointed to the right (strike) and pumped his fist forward (out). He still should've yelled out.
 
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
That was a BS call. There's no way in hell he heard the ball hit the ground. There's 50.000 people yelling and screaming, and you're telling me he heard the baseball hit the dirt? Please.
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That's funny, I can hear it on tv if it's a hard pitch in the dirt... why can't the ump standing 12 inches away hear it ?

If not for hearing, are you saying he and every other umpire who's ever called a pitch like that just guesses if the catcher caught it or not ? If not 2 sounds, they are distinct sounds between the ground and a glove. Tell me you've played baseball before.
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I played 4 years of high school and 1 in college. Thanks. I'm not talking about any other play other than that one last night. You can honestly sit there and tell me you heard the baseball hit the dirt? What I hear is the ball hitting the leather. And I've watched it over and over on my 51" Toshiba in High Def. Can't get much clearer than that.

99% of plays similar to that one are clear cut and obvious the ball hit the ground. I've NEVER seen them have to rely on what he percieves as a sound of the ball hitting the dirt. You're comparing apples and oranges when you say that you've played baseball and can hear it hit, blah blah. Ever play in front of 55,000+ screaming lunatics?
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you're saying the umpire, situated behind the catcher, can SEE the ball hit the ground behind the plate ? In every situation ? Otherwise they... guess ? I'm interested.

And neither you nor I know what the ump can hear in that situation. I'm saying it's possible he called it by ear. You're saying there's no way - how do you know - he's inches away. And here you are saying I'm absolutely wrong with the same experience you claimed not to have either.
 
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