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so if I understand it right, IF the ball had bounced on the dirt after the batter swung at it and missed, why would it have made a difference? Wouldn't it automatically be a strike instead of being in play until the batter is tagged?
 
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
so if I understand it right, IF the ball had bounced on the dirt after the batter swung at it and missed, why would it have made a difference? Wouldn't it automatically be a strike instead of being in play until the batter is tagged?
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Well the rule is, if the batter strikes out, and the catcher misses the ball, the batter needs to be thrown out at first. If the batter is SAFE, he will still be charged with striking out.

This is how pitchers can get 4+ strikeouts in one inning.
 
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: MrBlahh
Earlier in the game when Crede was doubled up on second...Arent you supposed to tag the runner to get that out?
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No, it's a force out if the ball is caught.
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Ahhh, I guess I was pissed for no reason then 😀
 
The vid shown on FOX clearly shows the leather of Paul's glove between the ball and the dirt. Probably will be shown on your late news/Sports Center so I recommend watching it. Totally blown call.

Maybe this will motivate the Angels to win the next 3 at home. 3 errors in one game is VERY un-Angel like.
 
Originally posted by: Mojoed
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
so if I understand it right, IF the ball had bounced on the dirt after the batter swung at it and missed, why would it have made a difference? Wouldn't it automatically be a strike instead of being in play until the batter is tagged?
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Well the rule is, if the batter strikes out, and the catcher misses the ball, the batter needs to be thrown out at first. If the batter is SAFE, he will still be charged with striking out.

This is how pitchers can get 4+ strikeouts in one inning.
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The batter was safe at first, why wasn't he charged with a strikeout?
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
The vid shown on FOX clearly shows the leather of Paul's glove between the ball and the dirt. Probably will be shown on your late news/Sports Center so I recommend watching it. Totally blown call.

Maybe this will motivate the Angels to win the next 3 at home. 3 errors in one game is VERY un-Angel like.
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Agreed, totally blown call. However Paul still should have thrown to first base anyway knowing it was so close. Catchers routinely will throw to first in these situations, "just in case".

It's obviously more the fault of the umpires than Pauls. I'm sure the guy feels worse than he should, but he really should have thrown to first.

What a horrible way to learn a lesson. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
Originally posted by: Mojoed
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
so if I understand it right, IF the ball had bounced on the dirt after the batter swung at it and missed, why would it have made a difference? Wouldn't it automatically be a strike instead of being in play until the batter is tagged?
Click to expand...

Well the rule is, if the batter strikes out, and the catcher misses the ball, the batter needs to be thrown out at first. If the batter is SAFE, he will still be charged with striking out.

This is how pitchers can get 4+ strikeouts in one inning.
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The batter was safe at first, why wasn't he charged with a strikeout?
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He was. 🙂

Ripped from ESPN:

A Pierzynski struck out swinging, A Pierzynski safe at on error by player player, A Pierzynski to first on error by catcher J Paul.
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Originally posted by: MaxDSP
Originally posted by: Mojoed
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
so if I understand it right, IF the ball had bounced on the dirt after the batter swung at it and missed, why would it have made a difference? Wouldn't it automatically be a strike instead of being in play until the batter is tagged?
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Well the rule is, if the batter strikes out, and the catcher misses the ball, the batter needs to be thrown out at first. If the batter is SAFE, he will still be charged with striking out.

This is how pitchers can get 4+ strikeouts in one inning.
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The batter was safe at first, why wasn't he charged with a strikeout?
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He was, just one of those quirky rules of MLB.
 
I still don't get it ...

Ok, the batter strikes out swinging and missing?


The ball hit the ground before the catcher caught it?
It should still be a strike out if he swung... A ball if he didn't


The ball hit the mitt and then the ground (dropped catch) ... OK batter
tries to go to first .. Usually the catcher tags him right away in the box
But if the catcher saw him going to first ... why didn't he throw him out?


 
Originally posted by: deftron
I still don't get it ...

Ok, the batter strikes out swinging and missing?


The ball hit the ground before the catcher caught it?
It should still be a strike out ...


The ball hit the mitt and then the ground (missed catch) ... OK batter
tries to go to first .. Usually the catcher tags him right away in the box
But if the catcher saw him going to first ... why didn't he throw him out?
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My gues is nerves and excitment and lack of experience. IIRC, Paul is a 3rd string catcher. Poor guy is gonna have a hard time sleeping tonight.
 
Originally posted by: deftron
I still don't get it ...

Ok, the batter strikes out swinging and missing?


The ball hit the ground before the catcher caught it?
It should still be a strike out ...


The ball hit the mitt and then the ground (missed catch) ... OK batter
tries to go to first .. Usually the catcher tags him right away in the box
But if the catcher saw him going to first ... why didn't he throw him out?
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Because he had already rolled the ball toward the pitchers mound and noone knew what the hell was going on

 
Originally posted by: Mojoed
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
Originally posted by: Mojoed
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
so if I understand it right, IF the ball had bounced on the dirt after the batter swung at it and missed, why would it have made a difference? Wouldn't it automatically be a strike instead of being in play until the batter is tagged?
Click to expand...

Well the rule is, if the batter strikes out, and the catcher misses the ball, the batter needs to be thrown out at first. If the batter is SAFE, he will still be charged with striking out.

This is how pitchers can get 4+ strikeouts in one inning.
Click to expand...

The batter was safe at first, why wasn't he charged with a strikeout?
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He was. 🙂

Ripped from ESPN:

A Pierzynski struck out swinging, A Pierzynski safe at on error by player player, A Pierzynski to first on error by catcher J Paul.
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so he was charged with the strikeout, giving them 3 outs, but the game continued?

 
Originally posted by: MrBlahh
Originally posted by: deftron
I still don't get it ...

Ok, the batter strikes out swinging and missing?


The ball hit the ground before the catcher caught it?
It should still be a strike out ...


The ball hit the mitt and then the ground (missed catch) ... OK batter
tries to go to first .. Usually the catcher tags him right away in the box
But if the catcher saw him going to first ... why didn't he throw him out?
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Because he had already rolled the ball toward the pitchers mound and noone knew what the hell was going on
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Why did he "roll the ball towards the mound"

if he thought the game was over?

 
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: MrBlahh
Originally posted by: deftron
I still don't get it ...

Ok, the batter strikes out swinging and missing?


The ball hit the ground before the catcher caught it?
It should still be a strike out ...


The ball hit the mitt and then the ground (missed catch) ... OK batter
tries to go to first .. Usually the catcher tags him right away in the box
But if the catcher saw him going to first ... why didn't he throw him out?
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Because he had already rolled the ball toward the pitchers mound and noone knew what the hell was going on
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Why did he "roll the ball towards the mound"

if he thought the game was over?
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Because he thought he caught the ball cleanly and the thus ending the inning. He rolled the ball back to the mound for the opposing pitcher.
 
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: MrBlahh
Originally posted by: deftron
I still don't get it ...

Ok, the batter strikes out swinging and missing?


The ball hit the ground before the catcher caught it?
It should still be a strike out ...


The ball hit the mitt and then the ground (missed catch) ... OK batter
tries to go to first .. Usually the catcher tags him right away in the box
But if the catcher saw him going to first ... why didn't he throw him out?
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Because he had already rolled the ball toward the pitchers mound and noone knew what the hell was going on
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Why did he "roll the ball towards the mound"

if he thought the game was over?
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He thought the game *wasn't* over. He rolled the ball to the mound because he thought they were going to the top of the 10th inning, and was rolling the ball to leave it there for the Sox pitcher.
 
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: MrBlahh
Originally posted by: deftron
I still don't get it ...

Ok, the batter strikes out swinging and missing?


The ball hit the ground before the catcher caught it?
It should still be a strike out ...


The ball hit the mitt and then the ground (missed catch) ... OK batter
tries to go to first .. Usually the catcher tags him right away in the box
But if the catcher saw him going to first ... why didn't he throw him out?
Click to expand...

Because he had already rolled the ball toward the pitchers mound and noone knew what the hell was going on
Click to expand...



Why did he "roll the ball towards the mound"

if he thought the game was over?
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the game wouldn't have been over, it would have gone to the 10th inning.
 
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: MrBlahh
Originally posted by: deftron
I still don't get it ...

Ok, the batter strikes out swinging and missing?


The ball hit the ground before the catcher caught it?
It should still be a strike out ...


The ball hit the mitt and then the ground (missed catch) ... OK batter
tries to go to first .. Usually the catcher tags him right away in the box
But if the catcher saw him going to first ... why didn't he throw him out?
Click to expand...

Because he had already rolled the ball toward the pitchers mound and noone knew what the hell was going on
Click to expand...



Why did he "roll the ball towards the mound"

if he thought the game was over?
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Game wasnt over, just the inning. The catcher usually rolls the ball to the mound after the 3rd out for the other teams pitcher

 
Originally posted by: MrBlahh
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: MrBlahh
Originally posted by: deftron
I still don't get it ...

Ok, the batter strikes out swinging and missing?


The ball hit the ground before the catcher caught it?
It should still be a strike out ...


The ball hit the mitt and then the ground (missed catch) ... OK batter
tries to go to first .. Usually the catcher tags him right away in the box
But if the catcher saw him going to first ... why didn't he throw him out?
Click to expand...

Because he had already rolled the ball toward the pitchers mound and noone knew what the hell was going on
Click to expand...



Why did he "roll the ball towards the mound"

if he thought the game was over?
Click to expand...

Game wasnt over, just the inning. The catcher usually rolls the ball to the mound after the 3rd out for the other teams pitcher
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Oh yeah.. it was tied.


Well... did the home plate upmpire call "OUT" whe the batter
did strike 3?

 
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
Originally posted by: Mojoed
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
Originally posted by: Mojoed
Originally posted by: MaxDSP
so if I understand it right, IF the ball had bounced on the dirt after the batter swung at it and missed, why would it have made a difference? Wouldn't it automatically be a strike instead of being in play until the batter is tagged?
Click to expand...

Well the rule is, if the batter strikes out, and the catcher misses the ball, the batter needs to be thrown out at first. If the batter is SAFE, he will still be charged with striking out.

This is how pitchers can get 4+ strikeouts in one inning.
Click to expand...

The batter was safe at first, why wasn't he charged with a strikeout?
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He was. 🙂

Ripped from ESPN:

A Pierzynski struck out swinging, A Pierzynski safe at on error by player player, A Pierzynski to first on error by catcher J Paul.
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so he was charged with the strikeout, giving them 3 outs, but the game continued?
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the pitchers gets credit for the K and so does the batter. But it doesn't count as an out until the batter is tagged or thrown out. This only applies on strike 3 where the ball hits the ground.
 
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