Official ALCS Boston Red Sox versus New York Yankees Thread

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Wag

Legal, but, it's not a Guy-- it's an employee of the stadium. It's not professional, and imo, it's not ethical. Perhaps it was spur-of-the-moment and not intended to offend--but-- the end result is that it was wrong. Still he shouldn't have been assaulted over it. The right thing for the Yankee's to do would have been to complain to the stadium mgmt and have the employee escorted out. (Mgmt would probably fire him after).

Oh brother. You're stretching now.

Have you ever worked a sporting event before?

The fact of the matter is that this man was physically assaulted for taunting the opposition. If you can't take the heat pathetic Yankee pitchers, get out of the kitchen. Maybe "Full" Nelson and "I Bat Like I just smoked one up and listened to Jerry" Garcia took it to heart when fans were heckling them with their shtty ERA and AVG. It happens in every stadium, it doesn't give u a free pass to use violence on the people who pay your salary.

I feel sorry for their families, worst of all. Can you imagine what your son/daughter would think when they hear daddy got arrested for beating up a fan? :brokenheart:

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wag

Legal, but, it's not a Guy-- it's an employee of the stadium. It's not professional, and imo, it's not ethical. Perhaps it was spur-of-the-moment and not intended to offend--but-- the end result is that it was wrong. Still he shouldn't have been assaulted over it. The right thing for the Yankee's to do would have been to complain to the stadium mgmt and have the employee escorted out. (Mgmt would probably fire him after).

Oh brother. You're stretching now.

Have you ever worked a sporting event before?

The fact of the matter is that this man was physically assaulted for taunting the opposition. If you can't take the heat pathetic Yankee pitchers, get out of the kitchen. Maybe "Full" Nelson and "I Bat Like I just smoked one up and listened to Jerry" Garcia took it to heart when fans were heckling them with their shtty ERA and AVG. It happens in every stadium, it doesn't give u a free pass to use violence on the people who pay your salary.

I feel sorry for their families, worst of all. Can you imagine what your son/daughter would think when they hear daddy got arrested for beating up a fan? :brokenheart:

It wasn't right for the two Yanks to beat down the employee, but he had no right to get up in their face. Just like Zimmer, he got thrown around cuz he went up to Pedro.

What was the employee doing? If he's an employee of the stadium, he should be doing his job not heckling the Opposition.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Wag

Legal, but, it's not a Guy-- it's an employee of the stadium. It's not professional, and imo, it's not ethical. Perhaps it was spur-of-the-moment and not intended to offend--but-- the end result is that it was wrong. Still he shouldn't have been assaulted over it. The right thing for the Yankee's to do would have been to complain to the stadium mgmt and have the employee escorted out. (Mgmt would probably fire him after).

Oh brother. You're stretching now.

Have you ever worked a sporting event before?

I have, and employees of the venues that host events are not supposed to do things like that. Certainly not root for team A in team B's bullpen. i still think the yankees should be arrested and jailed.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Lucky
that article doesnt say that.

Uh, I cut and pasted it directly from that article: "Boston police say two New York Yankees players will be charged with assault and battery after an incident in the Yankees bullpen tonight."

It now says: "Boston police say two New York Yankees players may be charged with assault and battery after an incident in the Yankees bullpen tonight."

WTF?! Espn.com, your credibility has to now be questioned... looks like they jumped the gun on that one, morons.

 

[Lucky]

ok, i thought you were just getting ahead of yourself there. if it really said that...sucks that they said that in the first place. at least they should have placed a correction notice that they had that before.

 

[Legendary]

According to the ESPN article, the guy was IN the bullpen waving the flag. That is unacceptable, both as a fan and as a member of the grounds crew. Also, all the "witnesses" are Bostonians who probably want blood from the Yankees because of the loss. This is the same as the "objective" Yankee fan from the foul pole ordeal the other day. When will you guys realize that not everything you read on ESPN or wherever is true, and not everyone tells the truth all the time? I'll bet you we'll never find out exactly what happened, but stop trying to crucify the Yankees based on the reports of Bostonians.
As per the rest of the game, Zimmer shouldn't've charged Pedro, but Pedro shouldn't've threatened the Yankees by pointing to his head. Garcia shouldn't've slid hard into Walker, but Pedro has far better control than what that pitch let on. A perfect example of how passion overtakes logic.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wag

Legal, but, it's not a Guy-- it's an employee of the stadium. It's not professional, and imo, it's not ethical. Perhaps it was spur-of-the-moment and not intended to offend--but-- the end result is that it was wrong. Still he shouldn't have been assaulted over it. The right thing for the Yankee's to do would have been to complain to the stadium mgmt and have the employee escorted out. (Mgmt would probably fire him after).

Oh brother. You're stretching now.

Have you ever worked a sporting event before?

The fact of the matter is that this man was physically assaulted for taunting the opposition. If you can't take the heat pathetic Yankee pitchers, get out of the kitchen. Maybe "Full" Nelson and "I Bat Like I just smoked one up and listened to Jerry" Garcia took it to heart when fans were heckling them with their shtty ERA and AVG. It happens in every stadium, it doesn't give u a free pass to use violence on the people who pay your salary.

I feel sorry for their families, worst of all. Can you imagine what your son/daughter would think when they hear daddy got arrested for beating up a fan? :brokenheart:

It wasn't right for the two Yanks to beat down the employee, but he had no right to get up in their face. Just like Zimmer, he got thrown around cuz he went up to Pedro.

What was the employee doing? If he's an employee of the stadium, he should be doing his job not heckling the Opposition.

Where does it say he got up in their face? Where does it say he threw the first punch? Zimmer threw a punch at Pedro (albeit weak), and Pedro could technically press charges against him. The only thing better that could have happened was a b!tch slap, open handed, to Zim. </voice of Chris Tucker in Friday "U just got knocked the f out!" on PA>

Um, usually his job is before and after the game... while it's probably against the rules to heckle, I have to agree, it didn't warrant being cleated and kicked in the face. I don't think you can compare the two victims of the incidents, one swung first, and the other didn't. That's why charges are pressed against the Yankees and not Pedro.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Legendary
According to the ESPN article, the guy was IN the bullpen waving the flag. That is unacceptable, both as a fan and as a member of the grounds crew. Also, all the "witnesses" are Bostonians who probably want blood from the Yankees because of the loss. This is the same as the "objective" Yankee fan from the foul pole ordeal the other day. When will you guys realize that not everything you read on ESPN or wherever is true, and not everyone tells the truth all the time? I'll bet you we'll never find out exactly what happened, but stop trying to crucify the Yankees based on the reports of Bostonians.
As per the rest of the game, Zimmer shouldn't've charged Pedro, but Pedro shouldn't've threatened the Yankees by pointing to his head. Garcia shouldn't've slid hard into Walker, but Pedro has far better control than what that pitch let on. A perfect example of how passion overtakes logic.

The facts are pretty obvious, a guy has cleat marks all over his back and arms and had been kicked in the face. Garcia leaves game with messed up hand from fight. No scratches on either Yankee, now I'm not Sherlock Holmes BUT... when 2 officers of the law say this is how it happened, their accounts will overrule any fans who are obviously biased (and that's what happened).

The Red Sox also said that two police officers in the bullpen backed Williams' story. McCarthy said police considered Williams the victim in the fight.

The Yankees are saying Boston should apologize now, in the article: "The events of the entire day were disgraceful and shameful, and if it happened at our ballpark, we would apologize, and that's what the Red Sox should do here."
My message to Randy Levine: Suck on this as an apology.

The Yankees denied their players were to blame in the fight with Williams, a member of the ballpark's grounds crew.
Right, and we're all little sheep with cataracts and severe near sightedness.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Lucky
ok, i thought you were just getting ahead of yourself there. if it really said that...sucks that they said that in the first place. at least they should have placed a correction notice that they had that before.

Nope, I cut and pasted directly from the article... maybe their source wasn't very reliable? That does suck though, God I hate the media in our country.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Legendary
According to the ESPN article, the guy was IN the bullpen waving the flag. That is unacceptable, both as a fan and as a member of the grounds crew. Also, all the "witnesses" are Bostonians who probably want blood from the Yankees because of the loss. This is the same as the "objective" Yankee fan from the foul pole ordeal the other day. When will you guys realize that not everything you read on ESPN or wherever is true, and not everyone tells the truth all the time? I'll bet you we'll never find out exactly what happened, but stop trying to crucify the Yankees based on the reports of Bostonians.
As per the rest of the game, Zimmer shouldn't've charged Pedro, but Pedro shouldn't've threatened the Yankees by pointing to his head. Garcia shouldn't've slid hard into Walker, but Pedro has far better control than what that pitch let on. A perfect example of how passion overtakes logic.

i believe the multiple security officers who backed the guy's statement.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Lucky
ok, i thought you were just getting ahead of yourself there. if it really said that...sucks that they said that in the first place. at least they should have placed a correction notice that they had that before.

Nope, I cut and pasted directly from the article... maybe their source wasn't very reliable? That does suck though, God I hate the media in our country.

me too. and i am a member of the media. 😀

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Lucky
ok, i thought you were just getting ahead of yourself there. if it really said that...sucks that they said that in the first place. at least they should have placed a correction notice that they had that before.

Nope, I cut and pasted directly from the article... maybe their source wasn't very reliable? That does suck though, God I hate the media in our country.

me too. and i am a member of the media. 😀

Cool, who do you work for? I guess I have to revise that, I hate media members that lie and present incorrect information in order to get the scoop on their competitors when they in fact do not know if it's factual or not.

 

[Lucky]

just a photographer at a relatively tiny paper in michigan. But it has it's perks-we've got media passes to next years Cubs games which includes the postseason. 😀

 

[RabidMongoose]

Wow, I leave for a while and now supposedly the Yankees beat up a Red Sox team employee?

Sure, it's wrong that he was rooting for the Red Sox in the Yankees bullpen, but that doesn't merit a beating.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Atvar
My question is how is pedro still in the game. Clemens could come out and hit a batter and get tossed, but yet pedro can attack zimmer and still be in..hmmm..

Zimmer Charged Pedro and Pedro was only defending himself. Zimmer is probably the only person in a Yankee Uniform that Pedro could take. If I were Garcia I would have gone out there and beat the living fsck out of Nancy Boy Pedro for throwing at him like that. To bad the AL has the DH because I am sure that Clemens would have drilled that Head Case in the ribs if he faced him.

Of course Garcia is almost as big of a head case as Pedro as witnessed by his cheapshot slide into second base and then jumping the fence in the ninth assaulting the Red Sox Maintenance worker. That said, I loved every moment of it🙂

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: Atvar

Don Zimmer swung at Pedro. Pedro was just defending himself.

Wow, you might be a bigger idiot than pedro. He had no right to do that. Why in the hell pedro and manny would start this crap in the alcs is beyond me. Guess they don't want to win afterall.

You see out of the corner of your eye some big fat bald fvck charging at you at full speed, and you're not going to defend yourself? You're a moron.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: Atvar

Don Zimmer swung at Pedro. Pedro was just defending himself.

Wow, you might be a bigger idiot than pedro. He had no right to do that. Why in the hell pedro and manny would start this crap in the alcs is beyond me. Guess they don't want to win afterall.

You see out of the corner of your eye some big fat bald fvck charging at you at full speed, and you're not going to defend yourself? You're a moron.

Zimmer needs to go on the Atkins Diet

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: Atvar

Don Zimmer swung at Pedro. Pedro was just defending himself.

Wow, you might be a bigger idiot than pedro. He had no right to do that. Why in the hell pedro and manny would start this crap in the alcs is beyond me. Guess they don't want to win afterall.

You see out of the corner of your eye some big fat bald fvck charging at you at full speed, and you're not going to defend yourself? You're a moron.

Zimmer needs to go on the Atkins Diet

At first, I thought it was David Wells charging him at full speed, they're both big, fat, and bald. Pedro probably did too. What I would have loved to have seen was David Ortiz take him out even before he managed to reach Pedro.
And, NY fans especially at Yankee Stadium are world renouned to be the most classless fans in sports. I don't even want to hear about the fans at Fenway giving the Yanks a taste of their own medicine for once.
Hmmm, and lets not forget Roger Clemens beaning Mike Piazza square in the helmet a few years ago in the World Series. How quickly you bandwaggoner Yankee fans forget that. Zimmer sure as hell didn't come full bore out of the dugout charging Clemens because he got beaned and knocked the fvck out back in 1942, did he? It's only when it happens to one of their own when they have a problem with it.
And lets take that incident in the bullpen in the 9th inning. Ballplayers are supposed to be professionals. You don't go after fans, or employees of the stadium. Classless pieces of sh!t.

 

[Muadib]

Zimmer needs to have his head examined for going after Pedro in the first place, but I'll bet this whole thing will pump the Yanks up. I smell a blowout coming for game 4.

Go YANKS!!! 2 down, 2 to go!!!

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: Atvar

Don Zimmer swung at Pedro. Pedro was just defending himself.

Wow, you might be a bigger idiot than pedro. He had no right to do that. Why in the hell pedro and manny would start this crap in the alcs is beyond me. Guess they don't want to win afterall.

You see out of the corner of your eye some big fat bald fvck charging at you at full speed, and you're not going to defend yourself? You're a moron.

Zimmer needs to go on the Atkins Diet

Zimmer needs to learn Tai Boe, then he could spar naked with his gay lovers whore-hey and whoriano.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: Atvar

Don Zimmer swung at Pedro. Pedro was just defending himself.

Wow, you might be a bigger idiot than pedro. He had no right to do that. Why in the hell pedro and manny would start this crap in the alcs is beyond me. Guess they don't want to win afterall.

You see out of the corner of your eye some big fat bald fvck charging at you at full speed, and you're not going to defend yourself? You're a moron.

Zimmer needs to go on the Atkins Diet

Zimmer needs to learn Tai Boe, then he could spar naked with his gay lovers whore-hey and whoriano.

WTF????

 

[PlatinumGold]

bottom line. umps did the right thing letting pedro stay in the game.

zimmer had NO reason to be on the field of play and got what he deserved.

 

[Phokus]

Pedro showed incredible restraint. I would've been caught off guard at a 72 year old man charging and swinging at me and i might've threw a punch at him. Case closed.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
bottom line. umps did the right thing letting pedro stay in the game.

zimmer had NO reason to be on the field of play and got what he deserved.

Pedro's little temper tantrum cost the Sox the game. Instead of Cowboying Up and getting out the weak hitting Garcia he Punked Out and let his hurt feeling get the best of him which led to the Yanks winning run. No doubt the Pedro has a HOF arm but he definately has a Bush League Head.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
bottom line. umps did the right thing letting pedro stay in the game.

zimmer had NO reason to be on the field of play and got what he deserved.

Pedro's little temper tantrum cost the Sox the game. Instead of Cowboying Up and getting out the weak hitting Garcia he Punked Out and let his hurt feeling get the best of him which led to the Yanks winning run. No doubt the Pedro has a HOF arm but he definately has a Bush League Head.

i don't see how that has anything to do with the what pedro did to to zimmer but ok.

pedro didn't pitch his best game and yes, he is a big reason they lost.