*** Official ABIT IC7/G (875P) Thread ***

[Blargh]

Originally posted by: roystarman

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Blargh
Hm nm.. seems i cant run IAA without running raid.


On to another question tho

What memory timings are you guys running? Im using 2 256mb sticks of corsair twinx ddr400 at 2,6,3,2, and i cant get windows to load if i try any faster timings. Any suggestions?

*edit*

Whoa wtf.... just went to run prime 95 at my 2,6,3,2 timings (the ones my memory defaults to) at default processor speed and everything... and prime95 fails in less then 2 min.

*edit*

hm seems this board undervolts quite a bit. had to set the core voltage up a little bit... running stable in prime sofar....

*edit*

or no... still fails like 5 min in... wtf

Forget about prime, just run your usual benchmarks, applications and games for an extended period. If everything works then it's fine. Prime is just a tool that overly stresses your cpu and I've found it's not really reflective of true everyday use unless all you do is Folding with your system. Also, Super Pi is another good application to test your system stability. That said, you may want to consider using memtest to test your memory modules and make sure they aren't defective. One of my XMS3500 sticks turned out to be garbage and i had to go to a local dealer and buy a replacement.

Actually I wouldn't run prme 95 until I thought i had a stable system. Try getting running with just one stick for now. 2,6,3,2 should work fine with the Corsair twin X memory. Alhtough the SPD also works. For make sure your gaming mode or performance mode in BIOS is either in Auto or disabled (depending on which BIOS) . Also I tink you would wnat at least 1.3 BIOS before settling in with a full installation. With all of that acomplished Prime 95 should run for several hours with no problems. Make sure RAM voltage is set to 2.7 and I jumpd the CPU one notch from standard. Unless you decidew to start OC ing the SWPD or 2,6,3,2 should work. The Memtest 86 disc will give you the a very thorough memory test although it doesn't use XP (stand alone floppy).If it doesn't run Memtest then you may ahve a bad stick. Test them one at a time.

Ok, im runing memtest now with both sticks in to see if i get any errors. How many passes do i need to know that the ram is ok? Tried running the system last night in prime with 2,6,3,3, and it got about 2 hours before it failed. Still sucks.. but at leasts its progress. Ill have to try that extra memory voltage, maybe this board undervolts the ram too? Anyone else have a problm like this?

*edit*

hm had an error in memtest on the 4th try (running both sticks at 2.6v)... gunna try now at 2.7 and see if i still get an error.

*edit*

nope... still get an error, gunna test the separately.. *sigh* why cant anything just work for once...

 

[Intelligence3]

What's the error you get, Blargh?

 

[Blargh]

Originally posted by: Intelligence3
What's the error you get, Blargh?

Hmm well heres some more oddness.... after it failed with both modules in at 2.7v (their in slots 1 and 3 for dual ddr), i went and took out the Stick that was in the 3rd slot and tried the test... let it run to 15 passes with no errors before i turned it off. Hm so i figure must be the other stick.... so i take out the stick i just tested and slap the other stick into slot 1. It just passed its 21st pass without any errors.... .

If both of them work fine alone.. why am i getting problems when i run them together? Maybe slot 3 on my mobo is faulty? Anyways, i dont remember what the error code was, but in a few min im gunna shut i down and try it with both sticks again (in the same slots as i originally had them) and see if it errors again.

 

[dwb122]

So, anyone have any idea why my computer doesn't detect the hard drive when I try to overclock the FSB?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: etrin
Joker you said 3:2 divider (2.5-8-3-3)
can you tell me the other settings in the bios that allow you to go this high?

I am running a 2.6 and 512m 3500 corsair ram and can't get above 245 fsb.
I don't think its the memory holding me back...this is at 3:2 with 2-5-3-3

thanks big time I think there are just tooo many settings that I am not sure
how/what to do like the strap I have it set by CPU



Etrin

It could be that you've just hit a wall with your CPU. You may want to try upping the vcore and relaxing your memory timings to 2733 to see it helps with your overclocking. Also, I've found that turnning off tRDA and CPC helps a bit with achieving a higher overclock--I haven't noticed a performance diff. w/them disabled. Finally, strap should be fine by set by CPU by you may want to try 800 and do make sure your AGP/PCI are fixed at 66/33.

 

[Intelligence3]

Blargh-

That's what I was seeing--erros only when in pairs. So what error do you get? I want to see if it's the same as mine!

 

[Blargh]

Originally posted by: Intelligence3
What's the error you get, Blargh?

Well just got an error while testing with both sticks again...

Tst : 4
Pass: 6
Failing Address: 0001ed122a8 - 493.1mb
Good: fbffffff
Bad: dbffffff
Err-bits: 20000000
Count: 1
Chan :

Any ideas anyone? As to why both sticks test fine by themselves in slot 1 , but when used together in slots 1 and 3 for dual ddr it fails the test?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Blargh

Originally posted by: Intelligence3
What's the error you get, Blargh?

Well just got an error while testing with both sticks again...

Tst : 4
Pass: 6
Failing Address: 0001ed122a8 - 493.1mb
Good: fbffffff
Bad: dbffffff
Err-bits: 20000000
Count: 1
Chan :

Any ideas anyone? As to why both sticks test fine by themselves in slot 1 , but when used together in slots 1 and 3 for dual ddr it fails the test?

Increased latency caused by 2 modules could be a reason and the nb is working harder. Try upping your voltage for both to 2.7 and see if you still get errors. I was having the same issue with test 5 but when i tested my modules individually I found one of them consistently gave bad results so I just replaced it.

 

[Blargh]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Blargh

Originally posted by: Intelligence3
What's the error you get, Blargh?

Well just got an error while testing with both sticks again...

Tst : 4
Pass: 6
Failing Address: 0001ed122a8 - 493.1mb
Good: fbffffff
Bad: dbffffff
Err-bits: 20000000
Count: 1
Chan :

Any ideas anyone? As to why both sticks test fine by themselves in slot 1 , but when used together in slots 1 and 3 for dual ddr it fails the test?

Increased latency caused by 2 modules could be a reason and the nb is working harder. Try upping your voltage for both to 2.7 and see if you still get errors. I was having the same issue with test 5 but when i tested my modules individually I found one of them consistently gave bad results so I just replaced it.

Yeh but i am running at 2.7v. And when i tested both individually neither of them gave me any errors whatsoever. Hence why im so confused here. Maybe theres just something up with the 3rd ram slot? Maybe i should try slots 2 and 4 and see what happens?

 

[Intelligence3]

I was getting a problem on test 5 and getting an error almost every pass. It didn;t matter if it was 1 and 3 or 2 and 4, always got the error. Never got the error with a single stick of RAM. I have always run at 2.7v. Should I up the voltage more?

 

[Blargh]

Well im trying the memory in slots 2 and 4 now , hopefully it was just slot 3 *crosses fingers*

*edit*

Megh dammit.... get the same exact error at the same test. Theres gotta be some explanation for this. Somone ... anyone?

 

[BadThad]

Another system with the hard drive missing on POST!!! Is there a fix for this? Nobody has any comments about this issue?

I've found it works if you pull the power cord, wait a min, then plug back in.

 

[KillerBob]

Originally posted by: thatsright
What took you so long to join the ATF

I was fooling around with XPs, burning a few to the ground

Originally posted by: thatsright
Another thing I saw, which I didn't notice last time is that you have SCSI devices. And since the IC7-G doesn't have an integrated SCSI controller, then you?re using a add-on SCSI PCI Controller card. After realizing this, whatever further drives you add will only bring down your PCI Bus performance; be it a SCSI CD drive, or a IDE PATA drive.

So, you are saying my SCSI (PCI Adaptec 2940UW) with 1 CD and 1 CD-RW, slows down my PC, or are they simply another unit on the PCI bus? Also, would my PC speed be most affected by another SCSI HD, or another SATA HD on the Silicon controller on the MoBo?

 

[thatsright]

Originally posted by: dwb122
So, anyone have any idea why my computer doesn't detect the hard drive when I try to overclock the FSB?

I had the same problem after upgrading to BIOS 1.14. But this prob was a lot more 'Dying A thousand Deaths' type thing as I was reformatting my Secondary IDE Drive, a Bum Maxtor Drive. After formatting this defective Maxtor Drive, I rebooted the PC, and I get a 'DISK BOOT FAILURE-INSERT SYSTEM DISK.' I can?t remember if that was what it said on the post screen Verbatim, but pretty close. MAN, I had a heart attack as I thought that while formatting my Secondary, I missed something in the Format program, and I thought I also Formatted my Primary IDE Drive; which is a 120G WD Drive with my O/S on it, and everything I backed up from the Maxtor Drive :Q

But after fiddling with the BIOS settings, my HD came back from the dead. If I can remember correctly, I changed 'IDE BUS MASTER' from enable, to disable, restart. Then once restarted, I went into the BIOS and changed the IDE BUS MASTER back to enable. I also changed the order of my Boot Devices; just moved then around in order. Restarted, then I went back into BIOS, and set the Boot Order back original boot order.

After all of this dicking around, My WD was once again 'there,' and I was able to boot into XP. No problems since.

I hope this helps.

 

[thatsright]

Originally posted by: Blargh
Well im trying the memory in slots 2 and 4 now , hopefully it was just slot 3 *crosses fingers*

*edit*

Megh dammit.... get the same exact error at the same test. Theres gotta be some explanation for this. Somone ... anyone?

Hate to break the news to ya BLARGH, but you've got ONE bad DDR stick. I don't think any amount of testing at different Vdimm's or swapping around the slots will help. Memtest is telling you something, ?this stick BAD.? I don't mean to sound callous or anything, but I was VERY lucky as I have two sticks of Kingston Hyper X Pc3500 512MB in dual channel. About a week before my return period was to expire at GoogleGear, I ran a full Memtest-86 V3.0 for a few hours. Well to my surprise, I had a bum stick in channel 3. I never noticed it ever affecting XP or any apps or anything, but after spending $240 I don't want to wait a few months/years for a problem to finally pop up.

Now I was REALLY lucky that Kingston offers a super RMA program, so I set up an advanced RMA, and they over-nighted my a replacement module from California (free of charge to get here). Not sure what RAM you have but I hope they offer a lifetime warranty so you can send it back. I debated if I should send it back to GG or Kingston. But GG would of taken a two-week turnaround time and they don't cross ship.

Sorry to bare bad news, but after all of those tests, you still have a defective DIMM. Send it back to the retailer, or Manufacture if you can. I'd go whichever method will get you a replacement the quickest.

Good Luck, and keep us updated.

 

[Blargh]

Yeh, but one thing. I test both sticks individually in memtest86 after it failed together. And both stick passed the test just fine by themselves. Would would indicate neither stick was bad right? Im using Corsair Twinx 3200 (2 256mb sticks).

 

[Ketchup]

Originally posted by: Blargh

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Blargh

Originally posted by: Intelligence3
What's the error you get, Blargh?

Well just got an error while testing with both sticks again...

Tst : 4
Pass: 6
Failing Address: 0001ed122a8 - 493.1mb
Good: fbffffff
Bad: dbffffff
Err-bits: 20000000
Count: 1
Chan :

Any ideas anyone? As to why both sticks test fine by themselves in slot 1 , but when used together in slots 1 and 3 for dual ddr it fails the test?

Increased latency caused by 2 modules could be a reason and the nb is working harder. Try upping your voltage for both to 2.7 and see if you still get errors. I was having the same issue with test 5 but when i tested my modules individually I found one of them consistently gave bad results so I just replaced it.

Yeh but i am running at 2.7v. And when i tested both individually neither of them gave me any errors whatsoever. Hence why im so confused here. Maybe theres just something up with the 3rd ram slot? Maybe i should try slots 2 and 4 and see what happens?

Actually it is the memory modules being worked harder. but 5150Joker is right. Please see my post on page 13. While I believe part of this is due to the more banks = higher latency issue we have seen for years, I also believe PAT technology is playing no small part in making things more difficult. Go ahead and relax your timings as far as you can and increase your vdimm to 2.8 (it won't hurt it.) Then run memtest, and slowly tighten up your settings until it fails. But remeber, with a P4 system, the ram timings don't have that much effect on overall performance, so don't feel bad if you have to run looser timings than SPD. The difference would be negligible, and is it really worth going through an RMA for? And make sure you are running the latest BIOS.

 

[dwb122]

Originally posted by: thatsright

Originally posted by: dwb122
So, anyone have any idea why my computer doesn't detect the hard drive when I try to overclock the FSB?

I had the same problem after upgrading to BIOS 1.14. But this prob was a lot more 'Dying A thousand Deaths' type thing as I was reformatting my Secondary IDE Drive, a Bum Maxtor Drive. After formatting this defective Maxtor Drive, I rebooted the PC, and I get a 'DISK BOOT FAILURE-INSERT SYSTEM DISK.' I can?t remember if that was what it said on the post screen Verbatim, but pretty close. MAN, I had a heart attack as I thought that while formatting my Secondary, I missed something in the Format program, and I thought I also Formatted my Primary IDE Drive; which is a 120G WD Drive with my O/S on it, and everything I backed up from the Maxtor Drive :Q

But after fiddling with the BIOS settings, my HD came back from the dead. If I can remember correctly, I changed 'IDE BUS MASTER' from enable, to disable, restart. Then once restarted, I went into the BIOS and changed the IDE BUS MASTER back to enable. I also changed the order of my Boot Devices; just moved then around in order. Restarted, then I went back into BIOS, and set the Boot Order back original boot order.

After all of this dicking around, My WD was once again 'there,' and I was able to boot into XP. No problems since.

I hope this helps.

Well that sounds like a bit of a different problem. I'm not having any problems when I'm not overclocking, so I don't know if doing what you did will get my computer to find my hard drive on bootup after OCing the FSB. But I'll give it a shot anyway.

Anybody else have any ideas? This is becoming extremely aggrivating, as I didn't get PC3500 RAM and an Abit board over an Asus for nothing.

 

[Blargh]

Originally posted by: ketchup79

Originally posted by: Blargh

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Blargh

Originally posted by: Intelligence3
What's the error you get, Blargh?

Well just got an error while testing with both sticks again...

Tst : 4
Pass: 6
Failing Address: 0001ed122a8 - 493.1mb
Good: fbffffff
Bad: dbffffff
Err-bits: 20000000
Count: 1
Chan :

Any ideas anyone? As to why both sticks test fine by themselves in slot 1 , but when used together in slots 1 and 3 for dual ddr it fails the test?

Increased latency caused by 2 modules could be a reason and the nb is working harder. Try upping your voltage for both to 2.7 and see if you still get errors. I was having the same issue with test 5 but when i tested my modules individually I found one of them consistently gave bad results so I just replaced it.

Yeh but i am running at 2.7v. And when i tested both individually neither of them gave me any errors whatsoever. Hence why im so confused here. Maybe theres just something up with the 3rd ram slot? Maybe i should try slots 2 and 4 and see what happens?

Actually it is the memory modules being worked harder. but 5150Joker is right. Please see my post on page 13. While I believe part of this is due to the more banks = higher latency issue we have seen for years, I also believe PAT technology is playing no small part in making things more difficult. Go ahead and relax your timings as far as you can and increase your vdimm to 2.8 (it won't hurt it.) Then run memtest, and slowly tighten up your settings until it fails. But remeber, with a P4 system, the ram timings don't have that much effect on overall performance, so don't feel bad if you have to run looser timings than SPD. The difference would be negligible, and is it really worth going through an RMA for? And make sure you are running the latest BIOS.

Yeh im trying exactly that right now.... heh running at 3,8,4,4 with 2.8v.... *HOPING* it manages to make it threw at least the 6th pass (everytime i get an error with the 2 sticks together its been by the 6th pass). I can say one thing tho... memtest is running really slow.... its like over a half hour in and only up to pass 5. I dunno.

 

[Blargh]

Well ****... Failed memory test 4 .. as always. but this time on pass 9. At freakin 2.8v 3,8,4,4, timings.. man wtf. *sigh* looks like im going to have to replace both sticks then... man this freaking blows. All this time and money and what do i have? A god damned paper weight.

As someone else said on the abit forums.... words cannot express how disgusted i am right now.

 

[roystarman]

Originally posted by: dwb122

Originally posted by: thatsright

Originally posted by: dwb122
So, anyone have any idea why my computer doesn't detect the hard drive when I try to overclock the FSB?

I had the same problem after upgrading to BIOS 1.14. But this prob was a lot more 'Dying A thousand Deaths' type thing as I was reformatting my Secondary IDE Drive, a Bum Maxtor Drive. After formatting this defective Maxtor Drive, I rebooted the PC, and I get a 'DISK BOOT FAILURE-INSERT SYSTEM DISK.' I can?t remember if that was what it said on the post screen Verbatim, but pretty close. MAN, I had a heart attack as I thought that while formatting my Secondary, I missed something in the Format program, and I thought I also Formatted my Primary IDE Drive; which is a 120G WD Drive with my O/S on it, and everything I backed up from the Maxtor Drive :Q

But after fiddling with the BIOS settings, my HD came back from the dead. If I can remember correctly, I changed 'IDE BUS MASTER' from enable, to disable, restart. Then once restarted, I went into the BIOS and changed the IDE BUS MASTER back to enable. I also changed the order of my Boot Devices; just moved then around in order. Restarted, then I went back into BIOS, and set the Boot Order back original boot order.

After all of this dicking around, My WD was once again 'there,' and I was able to boot into XP. No problems since.

I hope this helps.

Well that sounds like a bit of a different problem. I'm not having any problems when I'm not overclocking, so I don't know if doing what you did will get my computer to find my hard drive on bootup after OCing the FSB. But I'll give it a shot anyway.

Anybody else have any ideas? This is becoming extremely aggrivating, as I didn't get PC3500 RAM and an Abit board over an Asus for nothing.

Have you tried relaxing your memory timing some? On mine with 3200 Corsair I ahd to loosen the timing to 2.5,7,3,3 to get it to work. I'm only oc ing aobut 200 Mhz so my 2.8 is now running as a 3.0 but I had to do that. When My Ram Timings were really out of whack I sometimes got the dreaded loud tone at power up which required the CMOS reset or other times the HDD lED would never go off and the system would never recognize the SATA drive. Once I got close I was able to get the disc drive to access but not load XP. The final iterations got it so I could load. I have 215 MHz to the Memory, puts me 3.015 GHz. However I only have 3200 memory so going any further may require asynchronous opreations with the ratios. I'm already at DDR430 so pushing it on DDR400 rated RAM. Although the Corsair sticks seem to take it very well. I had no Prime 95 failures with all 4 sticks installed (2 GiG) in 7 hours of operation one night.

Current Configuration
OC to 215 MHZ
Effective clock is 3.015G
2.8C P4
4 sticks of twin 3200LL
memory timing 2.5,7,3,3
Fixed AGP/PCI Frequency
BIOS 1.4 with accelerator mode in auto.
CPU Core voltage upped one tic from default and Vdimm at 2.7

 

[dwb122]

So is it normal for an over-overclocked PC to not boot up simply from not finding the hard drive, or is something else wrong?

 

[dwb122]

Well this is incredibly disappointing. I've tried everything it seems, with the RAM timings, ratios, various FSB settings, even slight voltage adjustments, and I just can't get the computer to boot. Is my 2.4C just an overclocking dud or what?

 

[dwb122]

1.5 beta bios?

http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14478&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

Anybody try this yet?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Blargh
Well ****... Failed memory test 4 .. as always. but this time on pass 9. At freakin 2.8v 3,8,4,4, timings.. man wtf. *sigh* looks like im going to have to replace both sticks then... man this freaking blows. All this time and money and what do i have? A god damned paper weight.

As someone else said on the abit forums.... words cannot express how disgusted i am right now.

I know how you feel, turns out both the Platinum XMS3500's i ordered from newegg had problems. Fortunately for me I live near a Fry's so I was able to buy some replacement xms3500's (black) while I send these back for a refund to newegg.