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ponyo

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come on Russia. resist Opec+ cuts.
the chrono virus isn't hurting you since you a pipeline straight to China.

my 6figure short in oil is counting on you! :eek:

and damn it why did I sell my short @$62/barrel in Jan? :eek: only made a few thousand :(
Post your positions. You've been talking about your 6 figure oil short for years. I don't believe a word you say.
 

FelixDeCat

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I told you I willing to sell you a bunch if you want to buy.

Trust me, I am keeping this in mind but dont have the cash on hand to buy physical atm. Ill readily admit you have far more resources than I do. You could probably buy me out and not bat an eye.

I have made numerous long term decisions that have had a serious negative impact. Ill give you an example:

The other day I was throwing away my 2008 brokerage statements. At the time I was trying to make a living as a daytrader and had about $150,000 in capital.

My discarded statement shows I purchased 1000 shares of AMZN at $79 and flipped for a few bucks. Even worse, I had 3,000 shares of NFLX purchased at $30 and sold for a few thousand in profit. That was THE GREATEST mistake of my life! NFLX split 1/7 eventually. Post split I would now own 21,000 shares that would be worth $8,000,000.

Oh well. Money is not everything!
 

njdevilsfan87

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Gold was close to $1,700 last week before all these chicken little started screaming the market was going to crash due to coronavirus.

Now I'm saying this is real news because there's so much fake news out there, but have you seen videos out of China recently? Nothing is going on in places like Shanghai. Cities look and feel empty. It's very surreal, especially since everything here still seems normal.

I think by now we all know China has enforced extreme quarantine to suppress the spread of the virus within its own country. But what happens when they start reopening their factories next week? What if these extreme measures were for nothing and their spread starts all over again? And in the best case that they've effectively eradicated it, are they going to lock down their borders to prevent reinfection and just be a mass exporter while consumers are spending less in other countries to deal with their own outbreaks? This outbreak is good reason to be cautious right now.

If the entire world could have just shut down for like a month, the economic impact would have been minor compared to having everyone all over the place in terms of dealing with this like we are right now. Everyone is completely non-chalant until it's a problem. There's no pro-activity because that costs more up front. And because we're all reacting at different times, everyone is out of sync and it's the most costly outcome in the end.

Edit: And yes it will bounce back. But it's still feels pretty early in all of this. Not until we see how China "resumes" can we get some confidence back imo. And that's only if it isn't a big problem in other parts of the world, which it seems to be already...
 
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jpiniero

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Guess Wall Street was dissapointed they didn't cut to zero. Even though two cuts was the favorite.
 

PlanetJosh

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So if there's an upturn tomorrow (Wednesday) wonder if it will be just a typical bounce back or a Biden bump (as in Sanders less likely to be the nominee.) The futures look good at 9 pm pst so was just pondering.
 

jpiniero

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So if there's an upturn tomorrow (Wednesday) wonder if it will be just a typical bounce back or a Biden bump (as in Sanders less likely to be the nominee.) The futures look good at 9 pm pst so was just pondering.

Yeah it'll be green to start. Biden definitely did a lot better than people thought he would, and it should be enough to ensure Bernie won't be President.
 

ponyo

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Trust me, I am keeping this in mind but dont have the cash on hand to buy physical atm. Ill readily admit you have far more resources than I do. You could probably buy me out and not bat an eye.

I have made numerous long term decisions that have had a serious negative impact. Ill give you an example:

The other day I was throwing away my 2008 brokerage statements. At the time I was trying to make a living as a daytrader and had about $150,000 in capital.

My discarded statement shows I purchased 1000 shares of AMZN at $79 and flipped for a few bucks. Even worse, I had 3,000 shares of NFLX purchased at $30 and sold for a few thousand in profit. That was THE GREATEST mistake of my life! NFLX split 1/7 eventually. Post split I would now own 21,000 shares that would be worth $8,000,000.

Oh well. Money is not everything!
You're never going to get rich doing what you're doing. In order to build real wealth, you have to invest in companies. Daytrading and swing trading are fun but is just form of gambling. Identifying future great companies early on and taking position and holding is what will make you wealthy. You're not good enough trader to become rich from trading. The same applies to me. I know I'm not good enough trader to actively trade for a living. I only swing trade for fun and entertainment, not for wealth building. It's my form of gambling. I don't sports or casino gamble.

You daytrading AMZN and NFLX don't mean a thing. You think in renter's term and have renter's mentality. You're not an owner and don't own anything. Which is why you're always going to struggle and never will become rich or wealthy. You need to change your whole way of thinking and looking at things. You need to become an owner and own shares in great companies. And if you get lucky, you might even invest and own shares in young company before they become great. And you'll prosper and build great wealth with them. That's how you become rich. That's the secret to success.

Spend some time and do real research instead of blindly betting and hoping for luck so you can scalp a couple hundred dollars or couple thousand dollars here and there. That small shit leads you nowhere and you're going to grow old and still be stuck in the same place. Grinding everyday with nothing to show for it. Active trading is fools game for 99% of the people. You're not special. You're not going to beat the computers. They're too fast for you. And computers don't let emotions control you like you do.
 
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JEDI

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Opec committee recommends 1M barrel cut.
oil initially went up but now is down. lol...

also, still don't understand why Opec wants to cut to prop up oil prices.
propping up prices helps US shale, who are not part of Opec.
Why give US shale companies get a free ride?
 

FelixDeCat

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Lots of government intervention propping up the market. Virus headlines appear ti be waning. Option volatility decreasing which means stability near term. A Biden win portends well vs crazy Bernie.

But you know as well as I do we are headlines away from the next drop.

When option volatility falls that usually means an upward bias in stocks. Nothing guaranteed though since there is still lots of risk right now.
 

ponyo

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Anyone use Interactive Brokers? They seem to have by far the cheapest margin rates out of any US broker.
 

JEDI

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it's 5:30am and oil has fallen and cant get up.
hmm.. Iraq plans oil production surge in face of OPEC+ plans to cut?

unfortunately, everything b4 the 9:30 opening bell is unreliable.
much like premarket for the Dow
 

jpiniero

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Current rate odds are for two additional cuts at the March meeting, and then another cut at the April meeting. That would bring it down to .25-.50.
 
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Current rate odds are for two additional cuts at the March meeting, and then another cut at the April meeting. That would bring it down to .25-.50.

2 ADDITIONAL cuts? Are these guys fucking high? Jesus fuck. Over reacting much?

I don't give a shit what you do - you could make interest rates negative, it still isn't going to get people to board airplanes and run around in public spending money right now.
 

jpiniero

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2 ADDITIONAL cuts? Are these guys fucking high? Jesus fuck. Over reacting much?

I don't give a shit what you do - you could make interest rates negative, it still isn't going to get people to board airplanes and run around in public spending money right now.

Right, but the stock market is going to decline until they cut more it looks.
 

FelixDeCat

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When are you guys going to get it? Rates at or near zero around the world, and it makes no damn difference anymore.

One day we will look back and realize that "higher stock prices, no matter the consequences or cost" was the biggest mistake we ever made.

Going into debt to buy stock? At all time highs? Are you high?
 

snoopy7548

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When are you guys going to get it? Rates at or near zero around the world, and it makes no damn difference anymore.

One day we will look back and realize that "higher stock prices, no matter the consequences or cost" was the biggest mistake we ever made.

Going into debt to buy stock? At all time highs? Are you high?

No, but stocks are. :p
 

ponyo

Lifer
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When are you guys going to get it? Rates at or near zero around the world, and it makes no damn difference anymore.

One day we will look back and realize that "higher stock prices, no matter the consequences or cost" was the biggest mistake we ever made.

Going into debt to buy stock? At all time highs? Are you high?
lol. I'm planning to go into huge debt to buy stocks on any big decline. I decided to transfer over my trading account from TD Ameritrade to Interactive Brokers so I can get super low margin rates. Bad thing is I can't trade for 5-8 business days until the account transfer is complete. But I have some spare cash, and I will sell all my gold, silver, and platinum if necessary to buy more stocks if the market takes big hit.

You can be scared all you want. I see huge opportunity to make some serious money with select stocks on eventual global recovery.

No, but stocks are. :p
So I'm assuming you sold all your stocks? If not, why not?
 

zinfamous

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lol. I'm planning to go into huge debt to buy stocks on any big decline. I decided to transfer over my trading account from TD Ameritrade to Interactive Brokers so I can get super low margin rates. Bad thing is I can't trade for 5-8 business days until the account transfer is complete. But I have some spare cash, and I will sell all my gold, silver, and platinum if necessary to buy more stocks if the market takes big hit.

You can be scared all you want. I see huge opportunity to make some serious money with select stocks on eventual global recovery.


So I'm assuming you sold all your stocks? If not, why not?

god damn either your account was recently hijacked by some "buy stocks now and transfer your brokerage quick!" herbalife-esque online pyramid training website, or you'er on mental meth or some shit with your Tesla gains and have gotten yourself back in....maybe too heavy man?

I dunno...chill? :D
 

JEDI

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Current rate odds are for two additional cuts at the March meeting, and then another cut at the April meeting. That would bring it down to .25-.50.
hopefully that's good for my corp bonds?
 

JEDI

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lol. I'm planning to go into huge debt to buy stocks on any big decline. I decided to transfer over my trading account from TD Ameritrade to Interactive Brokers so I can get super low margin rates.
IB has a very flexible interface.
you can program it to buy/sell on a turn of a dime.
be careful. I burned myself last decade...