OFFICIAL 2012 NFL week 13 thread

[IndyColtsFan]

and what do you know? you also guaranteed the redskins and not the eagles would be the bottom of the nfc east.

The Eagles have sunk below everyone's expectations and took everyone by surprise. There's always one or two of those teams (also see: Detroit) every year in the NFL and I just happened to peg the wrong ones originally, as I said San Francisco and Detroit would be the teams who would fail to meet expectations. I was still half right.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I learned quite a bit from last nights game.

1) You are 100% dead on with him being a running QB. He is basically just Tim Tebow with more accuracy. Which isn't a bad thing assuming he can keep winning doing what he is doing. He broke the record for rushing yards by a rookie QB last night which says it all.

The guys who screamed at and chastised me when I used early stats to show RG3 was a QB in the style of Vick and Cunningham are going to be eating dirt once the season is over and we have a full season of stats to back my claim. RG3 already has 105 rushing attempts (8.75 per game) and there are 4 games left. Vick's career high in a season is 123 attempts, Cunningham's career high was 118, Tebow's career high is 122, and Cam Newton's career high is 126. RG3 will easily shatter all those if he continues at his current clip and will finish with 140 rushing attempts. Not a rushing QB my ass.

2) You are also 100% dead on with his durability concerns. They showed a montage of his hits this season and he had been knockedTheFuckOut on several occasions this year but still insists on running and taking the big hit. Gruden was right on too when he said "I don't see how his career will last if he keeps taking hits like this".

He suffered some vicious hits last night and I blame Shanahan as much as I do RG3. I've often used the phrase "training wheel offense" in conjunction with RG3, but it isn't him I blame -- it is Shanahan, and all Shanahan is doing is exposing him to more hits and will shorten his career.

EDIT: In my initial comparison, I used pass attempt/rush attempt as a ratio to classify QBs. I don't remember the numbers that I derived at the time (I'll go search for my original post), but RG3's ratio is 3.1 at the current time and that isn't good for a long career.

EDIT2: Here is my original post. RG3's ratio has "improved" from 2.95 to 3.09 and is still below Vick and Cunningham.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

wow, you guys really hate RG3 for no particular reason.

...a "routine" fumble is suddenly an idiotic mistake. :hmm:

I'll remember that the next time Phillis Rivers throws an INT and you start foaming at the mouth. I'll just say "Zin, that's just a routine INT." Wait, what am I saying -- INTs ARE routine for Phillis.

And no, I don't hate RG3 at all. It is that I hate the Redskins and like to poke their fans.

 

[ichy]

Charlie Batch had to put down his dog last week

http://deadspin.com/5965313/charlie-batch-also-had-to-put-his-dog-to-sleep-last-week?post=54840499

 

[zinfamous]

I'll remember that the next time Phillis Rivers throws an INT and you start foaming at the mouth. I'll just say "Zin, that's just a routine INT." Wait, what am I saying -- INTs ARE routine for Phillis.

And no, I don't hate RG3 at all. It is that I hate the Redskins and like to poke their fans.

funny--I was going to mention Rivers as a current example of "idiotic mistakes" when it comes to redzone, game-ending fumbles--truly idiotic mistakes.

But then, I knew that my ability to criticize athletes that I actually like would completely confuse you and my point would be lost.

funny you guys are adopting the same nicknames, now. When is the wedding?

You are starting to remind me of Pats fans--completely unaware of the years of futility and uselessness for your city's football team until sucking their way to a good QB. Now, it's like you deserve everything.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You are starting to remind me of Pats fans--completely unaware of the years of futility and uselessness for your city's football team until sucking their way to a good QB. Now, it's like you deserve everything.

QB Envy is such an ugly trait Zin. Give in and become a Colts fan.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

this win for rg3 should get him rookie of the year for sure now

sixth game with a 100-plus passer rating, his eighth without an interception, and his second in which one of his fumbles turned into a Redskins score.

I'm sorry, but I'm still laughing -- hard -- at this comment.

 

[AMDZen]

EDIT: In my initial comparison, I used pass attempt/rush attempt as a ratio to classify QBs. I don't remember the numbers that I derived at the time (I'll go search for my original post), but RG3's ratio is 3.1 at the current time and that isn't good for a long career.

EDIT2: Here is my original post. RG3's ratio has "improved" from 2.95 to 3.09 and is still below Vick and Cunningham.

Agreed. Everyone talks about how he has only 4 interceptions and how staggering that is, but he is throwing it 20 times or less a game.

I wonder if you take his actual attempts and do the ratio on Interceptions based on attempts how great that number would actually be. Luck is throwing it 40 times a game every game because they have no running game. Just to use one QB as an example. I guarantee Tom Brady would be very high on the list as he only has a few interceptions this year as well, but with a LOT more attempts.

 

[AMDZen]

funny you guys are adopting the same nicknames, now. When is the wedding?

Peyton Manning is capable of a lot of things, even bringing together people on the internet

 

[zinfamous]

QB Envy is such an ugly trait Zin. Give in and become a Colts fan.

funny that you mention this.

No, I could never be a Colts fan. outside of ~2 seasons, they have consistently been the most boring snooze-inducing team to watch, even when they were winning.

plus--Indy is one of the most useless cities, anywhere...in my humble opinion, naturally.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

funny that you mention this.

No, I could never be a Colts fan. outside of ~2 seasons, they have consistently been the most boring snooze-inducing team to watch, even when they were winning.

plus--Indy is one of the most useless cities, anywhere...in my humble opinion, naturally.

 

[hclarkjr]

I'm sorry, but I'm still laughing -- hard -- at this comment.

good, it was aimed at you

 

[Triumph]

Guys, seriously - you do realize that this season, Russell Wilson has defeated Aaron Rodgers (on a fluke but still), Tom Brady, Tony Romo and Jay Cutler? He has faced and defeated some of the best teams in the league. And nobody even talks about him. So now RG3 finally has a legitimate win, the first one this season IMO.

This must be correct, because football is now a head to head boxing match of only quarterbacks, and the rest of the team doesn't matter. I guess?

RG3 is more exciting than Russell Wilson because he carries the team. He's managed to get them to .500 dispite his teammate's best efforts to the contrary. The rest of the team is mediocre, actually just now they are starting to show some glimmers of hope.

Rushing QB or not, who gives a fuck, you guys love to throw that out like it's some sort of insult. The kid is smart. And the plays they are running are smart, the defense doesn't know if it's pass, rush, or draw. He'll calm down and start sliding to avoid hits before next year. Hits on him in the pocket, after the throw, well that really doesn't have anything to do with his style of play. The league is working hard to protect quarterbacks. I do worry about him getting injured or burning out but I think he's going to develop a lot in the off season.

Which will start on December 30th because they're still not going to make the playoffs.

 

[AMDZen]

This must be correct, because football is now a head to head boxing match of only quarterbacks, and the rest of the team doesn't matter. I guess?

Pretty much. All those years of NE playing Indy what did everyone say about it? It was Peyton Manning versus Tom Brady. It was always that and it will always be that. The QB is the team.

RG3 is more exciting than Russell Wilson because he carries the team. He's managed to get them to .500 dispite his teammate's best efforts to the contrary. The rest of the team is mediocre, actually just now they are starting to show some glimmers of hope.

More exciting is your opinion, and I would agree that its the majority's opinion - I even concur because I like watching him get knockedthefuckout. Which he does quite often.

Rushing QB or not, who gives a fuck, you guys love to throw that out like it's some sort of insult. The kid is smart. And the plays they are running are smart, the defense doesn't know if it's pass, rush, or draw. He'll calm down and start sliding to avoid hits before next year. Hits on him in the pocket, after the throw, well that really doesn't have anything to do with his style of play. The league is working hard to protect quarterbacks. I do worry about him getting injured or burning out but I think he's going to develop a lot in the off season.

It isn't an insult, you weren't around when everyone was arguing with Indy and me that RG3 wasn't a rushing QB. All of his fans were quite adamant that he wasn't in the mold of Michael Vick and Cunningham even though that is EXACTLY what he is. He isn't anything new, he is Michael Vick 2.0 but yet, somehow people act like we've never seen his like before

Which will start on December 30th because they're still not going to make the playoffs.

LOL

Thanks for the great laugh. You better be around at the end of the season to admit how terribly wrong you were. I'll do the same if they do make it

 

[zinfamous]

hey, at least that other team seems to be providing you more entertainment that your own. You sure spend an awful lot of time concerning yourself with teams that have no impact whatsoever on your own...

I told you Indy was the most boring team in the league.

 

[zinfamous]

This must be correct, because football is now a head to head boxing match of only quarterbacks, and the rest of the team doesn't matter. I guess?

RG3 is more exciting than Russell Wilson because he carries the team. He's managed to get them to .500 dispite his teammate's best efforts to the contrary. The rest of the team is mediocre, actually just now they are starting to show some glimmers of hope.

Rushing QB or not, who gives a fuck, you guys love to throw that out like it's some sort of insult. The kid is smart. And the plays they are running are smart, the defense doesn't know if it's pass, rush, or draw. He'll calm down and start sliding to avoid hits before next year. Hits on him in the pocket, after the throw, well that really doesn't have anything to do with his style of play. The league is working hard to protect quarterbacks. I do worry about him getting injured or burning out but I think he's going to develop a lot in the off season.

Which will start on December 30th because they're still not going to make the playoffs.

Eh, Wilson has certainly been a better QB all year. I'm biased, sure, but of course I have long known that Wilson is a pimp.

Seattle was no better last year than were the Skins. I think RG3 has looked good all season, though the concerns with the hits he has taken are legit.

Wilson has been, by far, the most poised of the rookie QBs if you ask me. Not to discount Luck, but he did look rattled a few games. Not a big deal, really.

Just remember that Wilson came in as a late round backup pick to a highly-paid starter, with zero expectations. ...and most expected Wilson to be playing baseball, anyway.

 

[AMDZen]

Eh, Wilson has certainly been a better QB all year. I'm biased, sure, but of course I have long known that Wilson is a pimp.

Seattle was no better last year than were the Skins. I think RG3 has looked good all season, though the concerns with the hits he has taken are legit.

Wilson has been, by far, the most poised of the rookie QBs if you ask me. Not to discount Luck, but he did look rattled a few games. Not a big deal, really.

Just remember that Wilson came in as a late round backup pick to a highly-paid starter, with zero expectations. ...and most expected Wilson to be playing baseball, anyway.

Wow is this a first? Is this the first time we have agreed on something?

I would still take Luck first, but I would take Wilson second, then Tannehill, and then RG3. I think Tannehill is overlooked because he has NOBODY to throw the ball to and NO offensive line, and yet has had a decent season as well.

I said about Andy Dalton that he would be better then Cam Newton and probably the best of last years draft. Personally I think that looks pretty good right now.

The problem is that there was lots of tape on Cam Newton and defenses learned how to cover him. The same thing will happen with RG3 next year, he will have to prove himself in his 3rd-5th years in the league and we probably won't know until year 3-4 what he will be in the long run. Same goes for Cam Newton, he will have to adjust to the fact that everyone has adjusted to him, we will see if he can come back next year. Josh Freeman did from his sophmore slump

Still wish Wilson was playing for my Rockies but they are a lost cause any way

 

[Triumph]

More exciting is your opinion, and I would agree that its the majority's opinion - I even concur because I like watching him get knockedthefuckout. Which he does quite often.

The only reason you would enjoy seeing him get knocked out is because you don't like him. And you don't like him because...other people do? You should hate someone for a legitimate reason, like they praise Jesus too much. I hate Eli Manning because he's stupid looking and was dreadful to watch on SNL. And also he seems to suck until it really matters and then you're like, "WTF! He doesn't deserve that!" All of these are good reasons to hate an NFL quarterback. There isn't really anything to hate about RG3, he's a classy guy with a good attitude, not full of himself, doesn't run a dog fighting ring, the locker room likes him, and is a pretty darn good QB.

Thanks for the great laugh. You better be around at the end of the season to admit how terribly wrong you were. I'll do the same if they do make it

That's fine, if I'm wrong that means the skins are in the playoffs which is a good thing.

 

[vi edit]

Yeah I was really hyping up Wilson at the beginning of the season and a lot of people "oh he's still a rookie and will suck" blah blah blah.

There's something to be said about the level of athleticism, work ethic, and poise it takes to be able to play two major sports. In the game against Chicago they were talking about how well he was throwing on the run. Well duh...that's half of baseball. There's obviously some skill overlap there. He is much more mature than your typical rookie and a much more developed physical player. He's also got a very good head on his shoulders and not prone to really bonehead decisions. I'm happy to see him succeeding and getting credit for efforts. He seems like a good kid. Not that Luck or RGIII aren't but Wilson just has the underdog effect going for him.

 

[eits]

That's fine, if I'm wrong that means the skins are in the playoffs which is a good thing.

hail.

 

[AMDZen]

That's fine, if I'm wrong that means the skins are in the playoffs which is a good thing.

OOPS. I read it wrong, I thought you meant that they WOULD make the playoffs. Nevermind. I guess its just hclark who still lives in crazytown where they do make the playoffs.

 

[zinfamous]

Wow is this a first? Is this the first time we have agreed on something?

I would still take Luck first, but I would take Wilson second, then Tannehill, and then RG3. I think Tannehill is overlooked because he has NOBODY to throw the ball to and NO offensive line, and yet has had a decent season as well.

I said about Andy Dalton that he would be better then Cam Newton and probably the best of last years draft. Personally I think that looks pretty good right now.

The problem is that there was lots of tape on Cam Newton and defenses learned how to cover him. The same thing will happen with RG3 next year, he will have to prove himself in his 3rd-5th years in the league and we probably won't know until year 3-4 what he will be in the long run. Same goes for Cam Newton, he will have to adjust to the fact that everyone has adjusted to him, we will see if he can come back next year. Josh Freeman did from his sophmore slump

Still wish Wilson was playing for my Rockies but they are a lost cause any way

you think RG3 has someone to throw to? you think he has an offensive line? But hey...he only has 2.6k passing yards despite that....

and whotf is Tannehill?

 

[AMDZen]

you think RG3 has someone to throw to? you think he has an offensive line? But hey...he only has 2.6k passing yards despite that....

and whotf is Tannehill?

I would take Santana Moss, Fred Davis (before being out) and Pierre Garcon, over Hartline and well, thats it, Anthony Fasano. Bess blows.

He doesn't have a single viable receiver besides Hartline. Even RG3 has his fullback and Logan Paulson now who is better then Charles Clay

 

[zinfamous]

I would take Santana Moss, Fred Davis (before being out) and Pierre Garcon, over Hartline and well, thats it, Anthony Fasano. Bess blows.

He doesn't have a single viable receiver besides Hartline. Even RG3 has his fullback and Logan Paulson now who is better then Charles Clay

I still don't know who this Tannehill person is...

:hmm:

 

[AMDZen]

I still don't know who this Tannehill person is...

:hmm:

Do google image search, she's the hot blonde